frustration, rage, anger, depression, exhaustion and plain old tired of taking care of a baby.
We have any evidence of that? We have people that said she was any of those things prior to Oct 3?
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frustration, rage, anger, depression, exhaustion and plain old tired of taking care of a baby.
Was it ever determined which lights to what rooms were on?
I think the lights being on when JI came home blow up the theory that she was abducted prior to 10:30pm, unless you want to stretch your mind to say she went to sleep without turning out any lights.
It's not really that much of a stretch if she was as drunk as speculated.
The only thing is, didn't the neighbors say they didn't see lights on?
frustration, rage, anger, depression, exhaustion and plain old sick of taking care of a baby.
How is it possible she would know BL was missing prior to 10:30pm? The boys in that house would've gave up that little tidbit in the interviews they've had with LE.
These back entrances have been on my radar from the beginning. But it still may not change any timeline. If somebody got in, they could have gotten in at anytime either during the time the ladies were out front and waited until all was quiet or even came in after all was quiet. Somebody could have even been waiting behind the detached garage unnoticed for the correct opportunity. It's DARK back there if no back yard lights are on and even then there are many shadowed areas.
Sorry, this is o/t, but for some reason I see that there are 38 pages of posts on this thread, but I can't read past page 36. When I hit the links for pages 37, 38, or "next," page 36 just refreshes. Can anyone offer some insight!?
This part I am personally going to have to say that if LE was not certain if the baby had or had not been seen that evening, we would have a public outcry from LE as for witnesses to come forward if they had seen her in that timeframe or not like we have in so many other cases when the last sighting other than family was an unknown. We have not in this case.I agree. If Debbi didn't remove Lisa from the house and is uninvolved, there are more possibilities than the front door and the computer room window. That's why, if it's true, I am glad that last sighting time was changed to the more accurate 6:40 p.m. If Lisa was sick and had been sleeping a lot, I can see the other children being strongly told not to disturb her (and we know Debbi said the doors were kept shut when family was asleep). The door in the boys' room may have been shut too, to stop from waking the baby. Reasonable possibilities, imo. So, I don't think we should limit ourselves from considering that something could have happened while the ladies were socializing out front.
I have doubts about Debbi's credibility for many reasons, but none of us know what happened to Lisa, why it happened, when it happened, and who did it. If you trust Debbi's credibility, it could have happened as early as around 6:40 p.m. on Oct 3rd. If you don't trust Debbi or Jeremy's credibility, it could have happened anytime after the birthday party on Oct 2nd (unless/until we hear a direct statement that someone else saw Lisa alive and well on the 3rd). This isn't meant to label the parents "guilty" at this time, just noting that whether one believes that Debbi last saw Lisa alive at 6:40 p.m. or not, there is a big window and many possibilities if you consider everyone a potential suspect and no one cleared.
JMO...
Or, it was an accident, and she didn't call 911 after the accident because her blood alcohol level was high enough that she would have been locked up for negligence.
I wonder why JI never even looked in Lisa's room. He checked the whole house when he came home. He checked the boys room but never peeked in at the baby. And DB does the same. She recalls talking to the boys but not checking on Lisa.
Is it to be assumed that JI entered the house through the back? Or does he always walk in the front door? I would think he would park near the garage in back. He would have no reason to go to the front.
If this is accurate, he searched the whole house before Lisa's room. He checked on the boys, then db. then they both allegedly walked to Lisa's room as they both used the term "WE".
Lisa seemed last on both of their lists that night.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...timeline-emerges-in-lisa-irwin-disappearance/
The vehicles were usually parked at the "top" or front of the driveway which would make the front entrance the easier. Their vehicles were almost always parked on top.I wonder why JI never even looked in Lisa's room. He checked the whole house when he came home. He checked the boys room but never peeked in at the baby. And DB does the same. She recalls talking to the boys but not checking on Lisa.
Is it to be assumed that JI entered the house through the back? Or does he always walk in the front door? I would think he would park near the garage in back. He would have no reason to go to the front.
If this is accurate, he searched the whole house before Lisa's room. He checked on the boys, then db. then they both allegedly walked to Lisa's room as they both used the term "WE".
Lisa seemed last on both of their lists that night.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...timeline-emerges-in-lisa-irwin-disappearance/
How often does that happen? A parent not calling 911 when their child has an accident? If they don't, then it's negligent homicide.
People tend to lean towards accident in almost every case I've watched. They just can't fathom any other reason for a parent to harm a child.
The first interviews with the boys were on the first day. The parents HAVE been interviewed at least two more times since then including individually.Originally Posted by cityslick
How is it possible she would know BL was missing prior to 10:30pm? The boys in that house would've gave up that little tidbit in the interviews they've had with LE
Maybe the children did reveal this tidbit in their first interviews and that is why the LE are so interested in chatting with the Irwin's in separate interviews. Perhaps this is why they won't be interviewed and resisted allowign the children until they were convinced the kids wouldn't reveal the times that they saw stuff or "heard" stuff.
If DI found BL dead at 6:40 then then she would continue to carry on and try to make an alibi for herself and then say that she doesn't remember if she saw her at 10:30 pm. Making an intruder timeline from 6:40 on.
I think it all fits, since she had to cover that huge chunk of time to say "hey, I blacked out I dont' remember checking on her BUT OH I do remember checking on my other two kids...who just happen to be old enough to tell LE, I saw mommie late and she asked us to go to bed with her.
Story just does not add up for me. Sorry
As to LE confirmation about DB's polygraph, I recall Megyn Kelly reported that LE confirmed to her that DB did fail...there are links to that around here somewhere and I'm too lazy to look. fwiw and moo
I don't know where she was when she talked to the boys. I am sure the story has changed no matter what. I distinctly recall her saying she went into their room and asked them if they wanted to sleep with her.Didn't she talk to the boys because the boys came in her room? The story says he noticed the front door unlocked, I think the natural assumption is he walked through the front door without unlocking it.