Poll: Was Shannan Gilbert Murdered?

[WI1987]

Knew a cop in NCPD 1st Pct & a Freeport cop. Both told me stories about how it was common practice to take on extra curricular activities in the cop cars with gf, wives & others. It's not new news. Not saying it should be ignored but who's going to do anything about it when it's being going on for decades? Just saying...

Cops should be working when on duty and if they are not on their designated meal/break/ If they have no calls then they should be proactively patrolling known trouble spots, running traffic enforcement, etc.

This guy Tedesco made the NCPD look like a bunch of fools when it came out that multiple officers had a van they would go to with their girlfriends while on duty.

Everyday is a new scandal for the NCPD ... i eagerly await tomorrow's edition of Newsday!

 

[LINative13]

THE same to you, LIN.

I wonder how the BIG CASE is going. Don't you think the detectives should take a look at what Jimmy was doing with hookers back in the day? Don't you think it should be important to investigators that one of their own was boffing hookers in a police car? And let me tell you is if WE know that how much don't we know?

Has anyone heard about Brooklyn about 5 years ago? It is easier to get away with things when your pal is the DA.

Da quiet...not like him.

 

[hawkshaw]

Da quiet...not like him.

What, if anything does that tell you? He has gone from being a Horatio Horn Blower to a Ensign Pulver.

 

[LISleuth]

Cops should be working when on duty and if they are not on their designated meal/break/ If they have no calls then they should be proactively patrolling known trouble spots, running traffic enforcement, etc.

This guy Tedesco made the NCPD look like a bunch of fools when it came out that multiple officers had a van they would go to with their girlfriends while on duty.

Everyday is a new scandal for the NCPD ... i eagerly await tomorrow's edition of Newsday!

I do agree! The question is how to make those in authority do what they are hired to do & that is stop these shenanigans from going on year after year & decade upon decades? I think too many ppl remain silent, don't want to rock the boat & look the other way. Taxpayers need to participate in holding all pubic servants accountable.

 

[WI1987]

I do agree! The question is how to make those in authority do what they are hired to do & that is stop these shenanigans from going on year after year & decade upon decades? I think too many ppl remain silent, don't want to rock the boat & look the other way. Taxpayers need to participate in holding all pubic servants accountable.

Unfortunately with the power that the police unions have it is very difficult with impose accountability. Look at how hard it has been for Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano to reform the NCPD's internal punishment process. Before Managno came along it was more or less impossible to fire an NCPD officer.

Remember, the police unions have enormous pull when it comes to elections. Look at the last Suffolk County Executive election between Steve Bellone and Angie Carpenter. Carpenter campaigned with a pledge to "reevaluate our present law enforcement arrangement in Suffolk County" while Bellone promised business as usual and pandering to the police unions. Who do you think won?

 

[gypsy gal]

Hi guys, I have been immersed in this case all day after watching the disappeared episode. I watched the 48 hours and another great special on the case too. Head spinning...I voted if I had to guess, yes...I think I may vote if I had to guess, no after reading on here all afternoon. . . It is crazy to think that her death could be such a coincidence, but it is possible. I don't know though...I wish that we had the 911 call and a better idea about what belongings she had with her when she ran to the neighbors house.

 

[hawkshaw]

Well, if we believe what former detective Stephan wrote in his Newsday letter we have to believe that SG was NOT hysterical. So why would she run through the brush and bramble into uncharted territory? Was she on mind hallucinating drugs? She was at Brewer's house for 3 hours. Did she bring her own supply of drugs to the party?

She was there to make money. Do you think she shared her drugs with her new friends? She winds up in a ditch in the middle of nowhere. Maybe she was honing her Girl Scout skills?

She is only found after some energetic K-9 cops goes out on his own to take his dog through the paces. His good work would lead to finding four gals that just happened to be advertising their wares on Craig's List, or as SG did.

Two of the gals have been reported to leave their safe environment to meet their killer after being told to leave their cell phones behind. For some reason they must have thought they would be safe. Why would such a gal leave her lifeline behind when meeting strangers if she didn't believe she was safe?

How many of our readers leave their cell phones behind when going out on a common errand? How many feel naked without the phone? How many would turn around and get it before venturing out?

Does this make any sense to any of you, because it sure as hell makes no sense to me. This didn't happen once, it happened twice !

Did you read a recent story where a visitor to a federal court got caught with a cell phone and taped the proceedings? Big crime, right? Why wouldn't they allow a person to record what goes on in a courtroom and document how the administration is conducted in our courts? The 6th Amendment guarantees the citizens that right.......but not too much. What do they have to hide?

 

[giagreen]

Yes. But nobody knows for sure if MW and ALC were asked to leave their cell phones behind. That is just one theory out of many.
I personally don't think that it was as simple as the guy just asking these girls to leave the cell phones behind. I'll always believe these girls were being stalked. Or els he was posing as a cab driver.

 

[hawkshaw]

YOU ARE REALLY NOT SURE IF THEY ARE DEAD. What does anyone know for sure if you don't want to know. If recollection serves me right the leaving of the cell phones behind is a little more than a theory.

These gals live in a constant state of awareness because they engage in the most dangerous profession of them all.

You remind me of a triple homicide we worked on. The guy we (they) brought in was no bigger than 5 7 1/2. three eyewitness that he put a gun in their face before ordering them down to the ground said the guy was 6'2". On guy was 6' and remembers looking up into the guy's eyes. Your name isn't Frank, by any chance?

They worked real hard shrinking a 6'2'' guy into less than 5'8" . After the poor sucker stayed in jail for more than a year and we got the right guy ( 6'2") one detective got on the stand in the case of the real killer and insisted it was the other guy.

 

[giagreen]

How is it a little more then a theory?
Sorry Hawk but your recollection isn't serving you right. Yes it is a possibility that they were asked to leave their cell phones behind. But it's not proven or facts.
Yes these girls did live in a constant state of awareness because of what they did for a living.....or did they?
Would leaving your cell phone behind really be living in a state of awareness?

 

[hipmomx2]

It really makes me angry that Sheriff Dormer speaks as if he is so convinced that the cause of death is accidental. In fact, he has as much evidence to say her throat was slashed ear to ear! What I mean is, to say either one of those is the "probable" cause of death is pure speculation. Her "skeletal remains" were much too decomposed to say how she died. However, it sure would be convenient to Dormer and the Keystones if it were accidental bc we certainly can't go around saying we failed to locate a victim of a serial killer after repeated and extended calls to 911 failed her. We can tell her family that the location of her remains suggest she drowned, even though there's ZERO physical evidence of that, bc we can't say that this terrified woman had dispatch on the phone for almost a half hour and we still failed her. Lets be glad that we can say it was probably accidental and lets never release the 911 tapes showing just what kinda Mickey Mouse operation we got going on. Sorry but I'm angry.

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[giagreen]

It really makes me angry that Sheriff Dormer speaks as if he is so convinced that the cause of death is accidental. In fact, he has as much evidence to say her throat was slashed ear to ear! What I mean is, to say either one of those is the "probable" cause of death is pure speculation. Her "skeletal remains" were much too decomposed to say how she died. However, it sure would be convenient to Dormer and the Keystones if it were accidental bc we certainly can't go around saying we failed to locate a victim of a serial killer after repeated and extended calls to 911 failed her. We can tell her family that the location of her remains suggest she drowned, even though there's ZERO physical evidence of that, bc we can't say that this terrified woman had dispatch on the phone for almost a half hour and we still failed her. Lets be glad that we can say it was probably accidental and lets never release the 911 tapes showing just what kinda Mickey Mouse operation we got going on. Sorry but I'm angry.

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I agree. There is no way to say how she died and there is no evidence at all to support that she died from an accident or that she died of murder.
It's all just IMO but to me there was actually more evidence to support that she was murdered if you base it on circumstantial evidence.

 

[LINative13]

Umm..that was his opinion. Police are allowed to have opinions/theories.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

How is it a little more then a theory?
Sorry Hawk but your recollection isn't serving you right. Yes it is a possibility that they were asked to leave their cell phones behind. But it's not proven or facts.
Yes these girls did live in a constant state of awareness because of what they did for a living.....or did they?
Would leaving your cell phone behind really be living in a state of awareness?

If we are to believe DS, then LISK telling Amber not to bring her phone with her is indeed a fact.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/serial-killer/did-gilgo-victims-let-their-guards-down-1.2950472

But the man set conditions: She was to bring nothing and tell no one where she went.

Schaller told her not to go.

"You can't do this," he said he told her. "At least take a phone so you can call me if something happens."

Costello refused, he said. "That's not what he wants," Schaller remembers her saying.

 

[giagreen]

If we are to believe DS, then LISK telling Amber not to bring her phone with her is indeed a fact.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/serial-killer/did-gilgo-victims-let-their-guards-down-1.2950472

But the man set conditions: She was to bring nothing and tell no one where she went.

Schaller told her not to go.

"You can't do this," he said he told her. "At least take a phone so you can call me if something happens."

Costello refused, he said. "That's not what he wants," Schaller remembers her saying.

See but I never really put a lot of credit into what DS said. Maybe he is telling the truth. Seems like he has no reason to lie.

To me it just seems odd that your roommate told you she was going to meet a guy. Gave you the impression that he didn't want her to bring the phone. Leaves then never come home. For six months he never reported her missing.

Yes drug addicts sometimes leave and go on benders...but for six months? With out once stopping back to change clothes?

A few other things that I could never figure out. Is when DS said when the cops knocked on the door he thought out loud "they must of found Amber". Well if he thought she was dead some where why not call and report that?
Another thing is if they shared phones then how did he think she was going to call him from the phone they shared?

Those are just questions I have. Maybe they can be explained but to me they don't add up. And what bothers me the most is I don't see why DS has any reason to lie...but it still is just weird to me. IDK maybe someone can give me a different way of looking at all this when it comes to DS cause I can't figure it out from the view I'm standing from.

 

[LINative13]

Very simple to explain. In fact so easy I can explain it all in one word. Heroin.

 

[giagreen]

So he was a drug dealer? That's why he couldn't even go to the cop shop and report her missing?
And still heroin is a bad drug and all but he still would have to know if she took the phone they shared that she still wouldn't be able to call him because if she had the phone then he didn't.
I've known a lot of drug addicts and they still aynt that stupid.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

See but I never really put a lot of credit into what DS said. Maybe he is telling the truth. Seems like he has no reason to lie.

To me it just seems odd that your roommate told you she was going to meet a guy. Gave you the impression that he didn't want her to bring the phone. Leaves then never come home. For six months he never reported her missing.

Yes drug addicts sometimes leave and go on benders...but for six months? With out once stopping back to change clothes?

A few other things that I could never figure out. Is when DS said when the cops knocked on the door he thought out loud "they must of found Amber". Well if he thought she was dead some where why not call and report that?
Another thing is if they shared phones then how did he think she was going to call him from the phone they shared?

Those are just questions I have. Maybe they can be explained but to me they don't add up. And what bothers me the most is I don't see why DS has any reason to lie...but it still is just weird to me. IDK maybe someone can give me a different way of looking at all this when it comes to DS cause I can't figure it out from the view I'm standing from.

Amber's own sister didn't report her missing, so DS isn't alone in that boat.

I have no explanation, other than Amber surrounded herself with a lot of people who cared more about themselves than they cared about her.

 

[Redbird]

It is likely IMO both DS and Amber's sister were involved in illegal activities they wanted to continue and therefore could not go to the police even though they must have suspected something had happened to Amber. They probably did not see LE as their friend.

 

[hipmomx2]

Has the 911 call been made public yet? If so please send link. If Sheriff Dormer is so certain she wasn't murdered I don't see why he would have a problem releasing the calls...oh, yeah..bc THEY FAILED HER AND SCREWED UP AN ENTIRE INVESTIGATION.