Post Conviction Brief

[wvjules]

I think this is from the original case, not Zellner's new brief.

Here's where I found the link, in a conversation as to whether SA cut off TH as she was trying to leave, and this is what caused the parking light to be broken;

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMa...bought_grand_am_at_auction_on_1103_sas_grand/

"Did SA cut TH's RAV4 off using his Grand Am and then have to rapidly repair it?"

If you scroll down the link is there, but this was posted last year.

Thank you! No longer confused. I was thinking all of these were from the brief. Duh!

 

[htiff]

None that I've seen. Only a few pictures the family has posted on twitter. The link is upthread somewhere.

Ah. Nice. Hopefully they'll all be posted soon.

 

[IDK]

I haven't read the brief yet, just snippets here and there. I am riveted by what I have read and by all the comments here. I have to admit I was also surprised about KZ including the brain fingerprinting testing. Mostly because I had never heard of it before and on the face of it, it does sound a little "out there". I am keeping an open mind though and hope to learn more. What breaks my heart is that I can just imagine how desperate and determined SA is to be exonerated that he was willing to undergo this testing. If he were guilty I highly doubt he would have consented to it! IMO, only.

 

[htiff]

I haven't read the brief yet, just snippets here and there. I am riveted by what I have read and by all the comments here. I have to admit I was also surprised about KZ including the brain fingerprinting testing. Mostly because I had never heard of it before and on the face of it, it does sound a little "out there". I am keeping an open mind though and hope to learn more. What breaks my heart is that I can just imagine how desperate and determined SA is to be exonerated that he was willing to undergo this testing. If he were guilty I highly doubt he would have consented to it! IMO, only.

I agree, the brain-fingerprinting had me doing a Scooby ruh-roy, too.

One tactic I've seen lawyers take, especially in civil cases, is to avalanche the other side. As in, just throw so much at them, they are placed off balance, simply trying to figure out which ball to catch first.

Most of these post conviction briefs are under 200 pages. At least the ones I've read. So a 1300 page brief is bound to keep everyone on their toes. There's a lot to address and counter.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

With RH's background as a nurse I wonder if he entered SA's house with the intent to subdue SA and draw his blood? Must have been convenient for him to find it in the sink. Did SA ever complain about feeling different or sick when he woke up that morning??

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Ken Kratz slams KZ at CrimeCon event

Sorry can't link. I'm on my cell.

 

[IDK]

I agree, the brain-fingerprinting had me doing a Scooby ruh-roy, too.

One tactic I've seen lawyers take, especially in civil cases, is to avalanche the other side. As in, just throw so much at them, they are placed off balance, simply trying to figure out which ball to catch first.

Most of these post conviction briefs are under 200 pages. At least the ones I've read. So a 1300 page brief is bound to keep everyone on their toes. There's a lot to address and counter.

That makes sense to me! KZ definitely knows what she is doing. She is the best in the business and every move is strategic, IMO. I look forward to reading the brief.

 

[IDK]

With RH's background as a nurse I wonder if he entered SA's house with the intent to subdue SA and draw his blood? Must have been convenient for him to find it in the sink. Did SA ever complain about feeling different or sick when he woke up that morning??

Hi BCA! Not that I have heard but I haven't read the brief yet. I'm sure if RH did break into the trailer he went prepared with a kit and if drops of blood were in the sink he syringed them up. Or maybe used a little pipette like this.

IIRC, the only blood that tested positive as SA's in the RAV was next to the ignition? The blood near the seat levers wasn't tested, I think?

 

[htiff]

hi bca! Not that i have heard but i haven't read the brief yet. I'm sure if rh did break into the trailer he went prepared with a kit and if drops of blood were in the sink he syringed them up. Or maybe used a little pipette like this.

iirc, the only blood that tested positive as sa's in the rav was next to the ignition? The blood near the seat levers wasn't tested, i think?

clever!!!!

 

[IDK]

If what KZ is suggesting is correct, RH is too clever by far!

 

[dexter75]

If what KZ is suggesting is correct, RH is too clever by far!

He's a sneaky, manipulative, jealous control freak who most likely really put some thought into what he " needed to do " to cover his tracks to save his own @ss.
JMO

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[missy1974]

I'm just getting a chance to read the Affidavit of Stuart James (blood stain expert). https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...60924/CV+of+Stuart+James2.pdf#MakingaMurderer

All the comments and thoughts and considerations we've had over the months sure don't seem so "out there" when we have experts saying what some of us have been saying all along, it just doesn't make sense. Actively bleeding but not leaving ANY blood where it should have been, like the door handle, the gear shift, the steering wheel. They dripped blood on the floor and it was absorbed by the carpet, it doesn't leave "flakes"!!!! (those flakes have bugged me for awhile.. it never made sense)

As much as I think RH is a possible suspect, I have this nagging feeling still about something random happening, like an accident and when she was at the back of the RAV4 she was being hit over the head (supported by the above expert)

 

[missy1974]

Pictures that a local took at the courthouse:



So she requested a few things from the state, the dispatch calls, the flyover video (probably hoping they would get the full unedited version? I wonder if KK has said somewhere along the way that he watched hours of video?) Item FL (the bullet), and she wanted the pelvic bone too.

 

[proudfootz]

Mr. Farwell used the opinion of Mr. James that, to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty in the field of bloodstain
pattern analysis, the bloodstain pattern observed on the interior cargo door of Ms. Halbach's RA V-4 is consistent with a cast-off pattern, which in turn indicates that Ms. Halbach was hit with an object when she was behind her car and while the cargo door was open.

Not sure who stated this, (Safeguard? Dexter? Cool J? IDK?) but I do recall talking about where TH was murdered. Someone, I don't recall who~~mentioned they thought the blood splatter indicated she was behind her car while the cargo door was open. Whoever it was~~looks life you were correct.

Someone else may also have speculated this scenario, but I was also of this opinion.

The idea that the spatter came from moving Teresa's body into the rear of the RAV4 seemed absurd to me. Blood wouldn't be cast off horizontally toward the door. IMO it would be very difficult to swing a body around with enough speed to send dripping blood outward like that. It seemed to me to be spatter from a low velocity blow (because the droplets were not a fine mist as seen in gunshot wounds).

 

[htiff]

I'm just getting a chance to read the Affidavit of Stuart James (blood stain expert). https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...60924/CV+of+Stuart+James2.pdf#MakingaMurderer

All the comments and thoughts and considerations we've had over the months sure don't seem so "out there" when we have experts saying what some of us have been saying all along, it just doesn't make sense. Actively bleeding but not leaving ANY blood where it should have been, like the door handle, the gear shift, the steering wheel. They dripped blood on the floor and it was absorbed by the carpet, it doesn't leave "flakes"!!!! (those flakes have bugged me for awhile.. it never made sense)

BBM As much as I think RH is a possible suspect, I have this nagging feeling still about something random happening, like an accident and when she was at the back of the RAV4 she was being hit over the head (supported by the above expert)

That's how it read to me too. I forget, did thy find Avery's fingerprints in the Rav?

 

[htiff]

I just have to say that the research everyone has done on this thread, is inspiring. Very appreciated. I'm playing catch-up and the amount of info here is very helpful.

 

[missy1974]

That's how it read to me too. I forget, did thy find Avery's fingerprints in the Rav?

They didn't.

That is part of Stuart James' opinion too. The fact that the State said that SA was 'actively bleeding', there is no logic whatsoever in the fact that he was actively bleeding and no blood anywhere that it should have been logically found, and also, no fingerprints anywhere.

 

[missy1974]

I just have to say that the research everyone has done on this thread, is inspiring. Very appreciated. I'm playing catch-up and the amount of info here is very helpful.

When I have time, I need to go back into some of the old threads, I want to read what some of our initial thoughts and opinions were, and compare them to the opinions of some really really really smart experts ;-) Some of the affidavits I have read look like someone compiled a bunch of posts and put them together LOL

 

[dexter75]

When I have time, I need to go back into some of the old threads, I want to read what some of our initial thoughts and opinions were, and compare them to the opinions of some really really really smart experts ;-) Some of the affidavits I have read look like someone compiled a bunch of posts and put them together LOL

This was my thought when we started to discuss this as soon as it was being released

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[htiff]

They didn't.

That is part of Stuart James' opinion too. The fact that the State said that SA was 'actively bleeding', there is no logic whatsoever in the fact that he was actively bleeding and no blood anywhere that it should have been logically found, and also, no fingerprints anywhere.

That's what I thought. Thanks for the refresher.