PR interview

[Ames]

14 THOMAS HANEY: Was there a ceiling
15 fixture lamp in that room?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE.) I
17 think there was a -- was there a (INAUDIBLE).
18 THOMAS HANEY: I am sorry?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Was there a fan, was
20 there a fan there? I think there was an
21 (INAUDIBLE). I think there was.
22 THOMAS HANEY: We might be able to
23 see it later.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember
25 whether there was a light.
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1 THOMAS HANEY: That wasn't a light?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember.

And they lived in this house for HOW LONG? She can't remember if JB had a ceiling fan in her room, she THINKS that there was, but doesn't remember if it had lights on it, or not.

 

[Ames]

1 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Anything else
2 on the bed?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, this looks
4 like a little -- the little pot holder square
5 she was making. This multi-colored thing here.
6 This black thing I can't (INAUDIBLE). Oh,
7 that's sort of looks like it might be the little
8 velvet dress (INAUDIBLE). Little silver snaps.
9 TRIP DeMUTH: When did she last
10 wear that?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: She wore that to the
12 Whites on the 25th.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that she wore black velvet pants, and the white Gap shirt to the White's Christmas party.

 

[Ames]

22 THOMAS HANEY: Number 18?
23 TRIP DeMUTH: How about the red
24 item in the upper right-hand corner?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I think it's a
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1 little turtleneck, a little cotton turtleneck,
2 and I had wanted her to wear it to the Whites
3 and she didn't want to wear it.
4 TRIP DeMUTH: How did it end up
5 there?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Don't remember. A
7 crown. Oh, God.
8 THOMAS HANEY: It's about 10:25.
9 Do you want to take about a ten-minute break,
10 how's that sound? We will come back.
11 PATSY RAMSEY: (Crying.) (INAUDIBLE
12 RESPONSE.)
13 (Recess taken.)
14 THOMAS HANEY: We are back on tape
15 and it's about 10:59 a.m.
16 And before we go back to the
17 photographs, on the break, there, we were
18 talking about a letter that you said that -- or
19 a card, whatever it was, that McReynolds sent.

I believe that Patsy crying was to get past the questioning of the red turtleneck. And it worked, because when they came back from a break, Thomas starts talking about a card that McReynolds had sent.

 

[Ames]

9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you keep
10 videotapes in that room?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: There was some
12 videos in this cabinet here, mostly ones that
13 were older, you know, that the kids used more
14 when they were really young, with Barney and
15 those kind of things. I don't know why those
16 would be on the floor.

And here we have videotapes out of place.

 

[UKGuy]

25 TOM HANEY: Okay. Ms. Ramsey, are
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1 you aware that there had been prior vaginal
2 intrusion on JonBenet?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
4 Prior to the night she was killed?
5 TOM HANEY: Correct.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
7 TOM HANEY: Didn't know that?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I didn't.
9 TOM HANEY: Does that surprise you?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: Extremely.
11 TOM HANEY: Does that shock you?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: It shocks me.
13 TOM HANEY: Does it bother you?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, it does.
15 TOM HANEY: Who, how could she have
16 been violated like that?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. This
18 is the absolute first time I ever heard that.

She doesn't seemed too shocked or bothered by it to me??? She actually didn't act very surprised at all.

Ames,

Of course its no surprise, what might have been, is being confronted with the investigators question, since no doubt they hoped a kidnapper would get the blame for this?

Patsy has memory lapses because she has been primed by her legal defence to be non-commital, its standard procedure, if you are not certain just say so, or cite temporary memory loss, which can always return during a court case.

1 you aware that there had been prior vaginal
2 intrusion on JonBenet?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
4 Prior to the night she was killed?
5 TOM HANEY: Correct.

So for those that doubt Coroner's Meyer's verbal remarks during the autopsy regarding prior sexual abuse, patently he has made his opinion known to the investigating detectives.

In any court case this would have been dynamite for a prosecuter, e.g. I wish to inform the court and jury that JonBenet was sexually assaulted both prior to, and upon, the night she was killed, forensic evidence will be offered as numbered productions, based on Coroner Meyers Autopsy, and Expert Witness's will be called to explain JonBenet's chronic injuries!

Anyone have an accident theory for the prior vaginal intrusion on JonBenet?

.

 

[JMO8778]

25 TOM HANEY: Okay. Ms. Ramsey, are
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1 you aware that there had been prior vaginal
2 intrusion on JonBenet?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
4 Prior to the night she was killed?
5 TOM HANEY: Correct.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
7 TOM HANEY: Didn't know that?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I didn't.
9 TOM HANEY: Does that surprise you?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: Extremely.
11 TOM HANEY: Does that shock you?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: It shocks me.
13 TOM HANEY: Does it bother you?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, it does.
15 TOM HANEY: Who, how could she have
16 been violated like that?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. This
18 is the absolute first time I ever heard that.

She doesn't seemed too shocked or bothered by it to me??? She actually didn't act very surprised at all.

I agree.My mouth would have dropped open and I'd be yelling 'BY WHOM??!! WHO is the suspect in that???!!!'

 

[JMO8778]

14 THOMAS HANEY: Was there a ceiling
15 fixture lamp in that room?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE.) I
17 think there was a -- was there a (INAUDIBLE).
18 THOMAS HANEY: I am sorry?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Was there a fan, was
20 there a fan there? I think there was an
21 (INAUDIBLE). I think there was.
22 THOMAS HANEY: We might be able to
23 see it later.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember
25 whether there was a light.
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1 THOMAS HANEY: That wasn't a light?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember.

And they lived in this house for HOW LONG? She can't remember if JB had a ceiling fan in her room, she THINKS that there was, but doesn't remember if it had lights on it, or not.

yea,I'm rolling my eyes on that one...

 

[JMO8778]

22 THOMAS HANEY: Number 18?
23 TRIP DeMUTH: How about the red
24 item in the upper right-hand corner?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I think it's a
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1 little turtleneck, a little cotton turtleneck,
2 and I had wanted her to wear it to the Whites
3 and she didn't want to wear it.
4 TRIP DeMUTH: How did it end up
5 there?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Don't remember. A
7 crown. Oh, God.
8 THOMAS HANEY: It's about 10:25.
9 Do you want to take about a ten-minute break,
10 how's that sound? We will come back.
11 PATSY RAMSEY: (Crying.) (INAUDIBLE
12 RESPONSE.)
13 (Recess taken.)
14 THOMAS HANEY: We are back on tape
15 and it's about 10:59 a.m.
16 And before we go back to the
17 photographs, on the break, there, we were
18 talking about a letter that you said that -- or
19 a card, whatever it was, that McReynolds sent.

I believe that Patsy crying was to get past the questioning of the red turtleneck. And it worked, because when they came back from a break, Thomas starts talking about a card that McReynolds had sent.

ST was more of a no-nonsense kind of questioner,as they all should have been..I think he by far got more out of her.

 

[JMO8778]

9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you keep
10 videotapes in that room?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: There was some
12 videos in this cabinet here, mostly ones that
13 were older, you know, that the kids used more
14 when they were really young, with Barney and
15 those kind of things. I don't know why those
16 would be on the floor.

And here we have videotapes out of place.

yes odd.I have to wonder what they wanted to hide that was on those.

 

[Toltec]

1 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Anything else
2 on the bed?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, this looks
4 like a little -- the little pot holder square
5 she was making. This multi-colored thing here.
6 This black thing I can't (INAUDIBLE). Oh,
7 that's sort of looks like it might be the little
8 velvet dress (INAUDIBLE). Little silver snaps.
9 TRIP DeMUTH: When did she last
10 wear that?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: She wore that to the
12 Whites on the 25th.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that she wore black velvet pants, and the white Gap shirt to the White's Christmas party.

JonBenet wore the black velvet dress on the 23d of December...the Ramsey Christmas party. Patsy never picked up after JonBenet or taught JonBenet to pick up after herself.

 

[Toltec]

JonBenet's room was a mess...and since LHP was not due to come back until Friday, my belief is that the kids from the 23d Christmas party went haywire in JonBenet's room. I know that happens when my guests leave...my daughters room is turned inside out.

 

[Ames]

9 TRIP DEMUTH: That is in photo 204 there is
10 some scrape mark toward the bottom of the doorjamb.
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Where the dog could have
12 scratched.
13 TRIP DEMUTH: 205.
14 PATSY RAMSEY: That is all chipped out.
15 TOM HANEY: Is that unusual?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: It looks unusual to me. I
17 didn't do it.

More unusual and out of place things...

 

[Ames]

8 TOM HANEY: You are looking at 252 now, that
9 is just a little closer photo above where -- was it
10 248, and there is, you pointed out the suitcase.
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
12 TOM HANEY: Can you tell us anything about
13 that?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, that wasn't one of the
15 suitcases that I normally use. We use the roller ones.
16 I think that is one that John Andrew had brought over
17 from his college stuff, you know, like unpacked and
18 brought the suitcase over to our house, but I didn't
19 think it was in there. I thought it was back in --
20 back there toward the cellar room more, back in the
21 (inaudible).
22 TRIP DEMUTH: Let's pull out a diagram.
23 TOM HANEY: We don't have a basement here.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, somewhere back like kind
25 of over in here, by the -- where the hot water heater
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1 area was is another little area. I thought it was more
2 in here. Unless Linda moved it over here when she put
3 the paint stuff there, I don't know. That looks out of
4 place.

Patsy, is there ANYTHING in your house that wasn't out of place after JB's murder??

 

[UKGuy]

I agree.My mouth would have dropped open and I'd be yelling 'BY WHOM??!! WHO is the suspect in that???!!!'

JMO8778,

Well it cannot be JR, since Nedra took care of that, didn't she?


.

 

[Ames]

1 TRIP DEMUTH: I brought that photo out
2 because I want to know, this is 287 and 226 are of the
3 bible. Does it look unusual to have the bible open
4 like that? Some people leave it open all the time.
5 Other people like to have their desk tops cleared up.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: John is pretty finicky about
7 his desk top, you know. He -- yeah, I would think he
8 would not leave it like that. I never went in there
9 that much, so I didn't pay attention. My bathroom was
10 around back here.
11 TRIP DEMUTH: Well --
12 PATSY RAMSEY: I would be surprised that he
13 would leave that open.

I guess that the polite "intruder" left the bible open. He probably did that right before he prayed.

 

[Ames]

1 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Anything else
2 on the bed?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, this looks
4 like a little -- the little pot holder square
5 she was making. This multi-colored thing here.
6 This black thing I can't (INAUDIBLE). Oh,
7 that's sort of looks like it might be the little
8 velvet dress (INAUDIBLE). Little silver snaps.
9 TRIP DeMUTH: When did she last
10 wear that?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: She wore that to the
12 Whites on the 25th.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that she wore black velvet pants, and the white Gap shirt to the White's Christmas party.

21 PATSY RAMSEY: I just -- I can't imagine
22 that. No, because I put those -- she was zonked out
23 asleep, so I put her to bed. And she had those, she
24 had worn the black velvet ones to Priscilla's.
25 What she had on earlier that day, I just
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1 can't remember. It might have been those. I just
2 can't remember. Could have taken those off, you know,
3 gotten the dress to go to Priscilla's and then left
4 them there.

And here, she says that JB had worn the black velvet pants to Priscilla's..but, then backtracks "could have taken those off, you know, gotten the dress to go to Priscilla's and then left them there". I guess she remembered saying in the beginning of the interview that JB wore a velvet DRESS to the White's party, then she says black velvet pants...so then she goes back to the dress. Another Patsy slip up to ponder....

 

[Ames]

3 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. 400 we've looked at
4 before, a different angle.
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Right. That is down in the
6 basement. It is like cotton or something.
7 TRIP DEMUTH: Do you know what that is?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know why cotton would
9 be there.
10 TRIP DEMUTH: You don't recognize it?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
12 TRIP DEMUTH: It doesn't mean anything to
13 you?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
15 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. Tom.
16 TOM HANEY: Do you ever remember seeing it in
17 there?
18 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

She is even distancing herself from cotton that was found in the basement.

 

[Ames]

5 PATSY RAMSEY: Somebody else did this,
6 because I would never put a spoon that big in a bowl
7 like that, and I can't tell what that is, whether that
8 is grits or apples or cereal or -- I can't tell what
9 that is.

Just like she always ends her letters with "Regards" or "Love". When asked about her writing style. Distancing herself from the ransom note....oh she could have NEVER written that RN, because SHE always ends her letters with "Regards" or "Love". (Imagine this..."Regards, SBTC" or better yet, "Love, SBTC".) And she COULDN'T have left that bowl out, because...she "would never put a spoon that big in a bowl like that". HUH???

 

[Ames]

23 TOM HANEY: 410.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like a baseball
25 bat. What is that? It looks like --
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1 TRIP DEMUTH: It is on the -- that photograph
2 was taken on the north side of this up by the butler
3 kitchen door. Was it the Givens that lived on that
4 side of house?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, really. That is unusual.
6 That is unusual.
7 TRIP DEMUTH: Why is that?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: It is not unusual for the kids
9 to leave their stuff laying around, but they wouldn't
10 have had it over there. It would have been -- remember
11 all of the toys laying under the swing set? It would
12 be that area. So that is -- that is very unusual.

She grasps at straws...anything to point the direction AWAY from her and John Ramsey (as SHE calls him). In the portion of the interview...she is trying to make it look like the "intruder" left that bat there.

 

[lilywhite]

You know, I got quite a chuckle out of whichever poster started out "How did that toilet get there!" but now that's starting to not sound so farfetched.

Perhaps it would have been more expedient to have Patsy take them through the house and point out the two or three things that weren't out of place? :doh: