Pre-meditated or Spur of the Moment?

[terminatrixator]

You raise a good point about the dogs. If a stranger had broken into the house, wouldn't they have barked and alerted Janet?

I believe that Janet would have fought like h*ll if an intruder had broken into the house. We are talking about a soccer All-American here - she was strong. So the fact that she did not put up much of a battle says to me there was no intruder, that she knew her attacker and her attacker took her by surprise.

I vote 100% premeditated. Raven planned this out and wanted Janet gone.

So how's that working out for you Rave?

Since Janet's death you are:

*On welfare
*A convicted Felon
*Bankrupt
*Exposed as a failure for the entire world to see

Real bad plan you had, killing your wife and all. Janet's death did not solve any of your problems. Why is that?

Because YOU are your problem.

I believe that the VX has been sold, but to whom, and is it a front, I don't know.

Raven has always been and will always be a failure. The only thing that he had going for him is Janet and Kaiden, and now that Janet is gone, all he has is Kaiden. He's a for crap father and should win the worst father of the year award. He kills his child's mother, the child his wife was carrying and will be damned for all eternity for it.

He's a complete and utter loser and will always be, and I can't wait until he's wearing orange.

 

[lauriej]

06-01-2005, 03:37 PM
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I went to the crime scene today. It was raining, slightly, so I was a bit rushed in moving about the site. I got an eerie feeling as I approached the house. It is indeed sheltered from the road - completely. There was no indication that a crime had taken place there - no crime scene tape or anything. As I walked up the gravel driveway, I observed the creek, which is actually just a big ditch with moving water. I tried to take different shots of it, though again, I was rushed because of the rain. There's a dismantled desk in the driveway, which I included in the photos posted below. This may very well be remnants of the one that was in the office. I kept my distance, for some reason. There are several trees, as you can see in the pictures, which appear to be marked for removal. Perhaps the owner is doing this to improve the view and security of the home. The back yard is fenced, and I didn't enter it. There was a storage shed in the back yard, which I photo'd, though I didn't include it - didn't feel it was relevant. I saw the infamous side door and included a shot of it. I also climbed the steps of the front porch to find a pair of soccer shoes, which may be Janet's. They appear to be feminine in style. I peered through the windows to see that carpet had been ripped from the stairs - perhaps the entire house. The home was completely empty. It was apparent that no one is living there. There was a large trashcan outside, though I didn't think to open it. I also wanted to open the mailbox, but I really didn't want to tamper with federal property. This was a virgin experience for me. I hope the pictures provide some visualization. Thanks Golfmom for letting me use your photobucket account! Sorry these aren't in sequence. It would probably tell a better story. I took multiple photos of the creek/ditch because of our indepth discussion of the murderer cleaning up there. From my viewing of the scene, it wouldn't have been my first choice of places to clean up.

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View of the stairs from the front porch - carpet has been stripped

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Their mailbox on the opposite side of the street

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A view of the creek/ditch

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Another view of the creek/ditch

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Looking down the driveway from the front of the house

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Soccer shoes on the front porch - possibly Janet's?

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The infamous side door

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A dismantled desk - possibly the one from the office upstairs

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View of the front of the house

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Part of the driveway in front of the house

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Walking up the driveway towards the house

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Another view of the creek/ditch

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Another view of the creek/ditch

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Still receiving the paper

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View of the driveway from the road. Eerie.

...................this was posted last june 1, 2005, after a WS'er went on a "road trip" and took pics of the crime scene up close and personal..

...the driveway, yard, and back creek area are SO heavily wooded i would think raven could easily hide a ton of stuff temporarily at least, to retrieve later on.........( how closely DID LE search the entire property??)

...and i believe this was 100% totally pre-meditated------------raven is the type to need constant attention, his one child was already taking some of that away from him------------to find their was another baby on the way would definitely threaten him in a huge way--------plus he would know that his "wanna-be big spender" image would never stand a chance with a wife and TWO kids to support.....
...(however could he embezzle enough each month to survive??)

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Considering how soon a trust fund was established and how soon Raven was out biking, etc., there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that this was premeditated. And the date of the bankruptcy really, really bugs me. IMO, if he was not the murderer and he was in mourning over the loss of his wife, there's NO WAY that he would mark the first anniversary of her death by declaring bankruptcy on that date. He would have kept that date practically sacred. To me, declaring bankruptcy on that date was almost like a slap in the face.

I don't think that a crime of passion would still be "unsolved" all of this time later. In a crime of passion, there would be more smoking gun type evidence. JMO.

 

[terminatrixator]

Considering how soon a trust fund was established and how soon Raven was out biking, etc., there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that this was premeditated. And the date of the bankruptcy really, really bugs me. IMO, if he was not the murderer and he was in mourning over the loss of his wife, there's NO WAY that he would mark the first anniversary of her death by declaring bankruptcy on that date. He would have kept that date practically sacred. To me, declaring bankruptcy on that date was almost like a slap in the face.

I don't think that a crime of passion would still be "unsolved" all of this time later. In a crime of passion, there would be more smoking gun type evidence. JMO.

JG - that is the real kicker, the slap in the face. He had nothing better to do on the one year anniversary but to MARK IT WITH BANKRUPTCY.

He had plenty of knowledge regarding the Candlelight Vigil. My guess is he probably balked at it, not having enough money to go, or not enough time or something totally full of crap for reasoning not to go to the vigil. Yet, he was able to make it away to another bike trip and another one coming up.

He could have been on the road that day, coming out to Janet's vigil, going to visit Janet's gravesite, but he opted to go to his attorney's office and sign bankruptcy papers. That's a slap in the face to Janet, her unborn child, Kaiden and the Christiansen's and a big middle finger to LE, in my opinion.

HE is a complete and utter sociopath.

 

[lauriej]

..i checked ( the cheapest form of travel) from utah to NC...greyhound bus:

PurchaseFare Type QtyPassenger EachTotal [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Special [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]1
[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Adult
[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]$372.00
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$372.00 [/font]
.........return fare, raven COULD have attended the vigil for less than $400.........

..but didn't..

..instead he DOES come up with the fee for the "look-at-me-i'm-such-a-stud" triathalon? marathon? ( whatever it is.) POST bankruptcy??

..thanks for letting ( your future jury) see just where your priorities lie raven......

 

[terminatrixator]

..i checked ( the cheapest form of travel) from utah to NC...greyhound bus:

PurchaseFare Type http://javascript<b></b>: OpenHelp('#faretype')http://www.greyhound.com/images/TicketCenter/help_grey.gifQtyPassenger http://javascript<b></b>: OpenHelp('#passenger');http://www.greyhound.com/images/TicketCenter/help_grey.gifEachTotal http://javascript<b></b>: OpenHelp('#total');http://www.greyhound.com/images/TicketCenter/help_grey.gif [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Special [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]1
[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Adult
[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]$372.00
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$372.00 [/font]
.........return fare, raven COULD have attended the vigil for less than $400.........

..but didn't..

..instead he DOES come up with the fee for the "look-at-me-i'm-such-a-stud" triathalon? marathon? ( whatever it is.) POST bankruptcy??

..thanks for letting ( your future jury) see just where your priorities lie raven......

At the time of the vigil, I checked airfare and found airfare for less than 300 bucks round trip from San Diego to Raleigh. I checked just a week before the vigil.

Summer rates are higher than in the spring. I think I checked tickets at the time also from SLC to Raleigh a few weeks prior to the vigil and found good rates for less than 260.00. He had places to stay out there too - since he knew so many people, so he wouldn't have to pay for lodging....

 

[Clearly Confused]

It could have cost $1.00 and he still wouldn't have showed up. He is a coward!

 

[BirdHunter]

At the time of the vigil, I checked airfare and found airfare for less than 300 bucks round trip from San Diego to Raleigh. I checked just a week before the vigil.

Summer rates are higher than in the spring. I think I checked tickets at the time also from SLC to Raleigh a few weeks prior to the vigil and found good rates for less than 260.00. He had places to stay out there too - since he knew so many people, so he wouldn't have to pay for lodging....

Sure the Durham PD would have put him up for nothing!