Prosecutor Juan Martinez releases new book, February 2016 - #2

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Yes I know all that,my question pertains to the metadata they were able to pull, if they were able to access enough of the file to give a "creation" date, whatever that actually means in this case(File Created: This is the date the file was “created” on the volume.), then why no deletion dates or anything else that could verify that it was the Sony and not JA's Canon or Olympus that created the original exif data?

In response to the jury questions Dworkin had said:
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JURY QUESTIONS

1) are date and time stamps on photos taken by digital cameras, can they be manually manipulated?
Answer: the photo of the file would have to exist first and then go and change the time/date.
It applies to "exif" information as well.

Dworkin did not attempt to turn on the camera as it had been stored for a long time and there was no reason to do it at the time. Dworkin did not see any evidence of time stamp manipulation.

Martinez asks about #413, is it possible that the photo of Jodi and her sister, could it have been taken in 2007 and then uploaded or downloaded in 2008? Witness answer : "anything is possible"."
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What I would like to know is why some people seem to want to believe the worst of TA? Heck, I still don't believe they had intercourse more than once or maybe twice, don't forget JA herself sees any form of sexual contact as "doing the deed" instead of what most nowadays would consider heavy petting.

The Jury question of Dworkin was regarding his testimony of Jodi's Canon camera.

Like Juan Martinez said in the book Travis was not perfect. He sinned, according to his own religious standards. He had premarital sex. With Deanna, With Jodi. With several other ladies. He was sexting with a dozen others. But he was single, he was upfront with Jodi....friends with benefits. She knew the score but thought she could change him. So that doesn't make me think the "worst" of him at all.

I do not believe the Starbucks sex, the post baptism sex and probably not the sex at the Hughes. Those were lies by Jodi. But the sex in Edinburgh, the sex on their road trips...yep. Much of it is discussed on the sex tape by Travis.

Horrifically for Travis, he ran into a psychopath. She murdered him. He was neither perfect nor a bad man.
 
Huh.

Maverick and Bruce Willis in Unbreakable?

Very confident (maybe a little over-confident?) sense of self.

I think maybe I can see how a psycho like Jodi wormed her way into his life....
Nah, IMO, just playing, really. He was probably as scared as anyone while it was happening, and planning how best to use the six months in traction he was looking forward to, but when he didn't 'break', he thanked the Universe, and owned it in his own way, doing his best to turn a bad into a good, and good fortune into confidence, but he knew he wasn't really fooling anyone, especially himself.
 
Yea I get that. Even if Matt were somehow sympathetic to whatever role she was playing, I can't see a scenario where she could make him feel a sense of shared responsibility for killing him, especially not just by telling him she did it, no matter how sympathetic he was towards her.

Besides, as far as we know, she wasn't selling the abuse/pedo story for another two years. It's unlikely she was selling it to just him two years before anyone else.


Well, I have always been convinced she has something on Matt that made him think he had to help her.
 
Just an observation: When I'm sitting normally, my hair appears much shorter than when I lean back and my rest my forearms on the bed - at that point my neck is shorter and my hair certainly appears longer.

I'm just lucky my husband didn't walk in and catch me doing that just now ...

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Oh no you didn't, you was fantasizing about Juan again ..Yes Or No? Too funny. :laughing:
 
Or, did he in someway participate in the planning or the crime itself? :fence: :thinking:

How? Like, what part of it required outside help? I don't mean like with the gas cans, but actual logistical help that would require conscious awareness of and participation in the plan?
 
The Jury question of Dworkin was regarding his testimony of Jodi's Canon camera.

Like Juan Martinez said in the book Travis was not perfect. He sinned, according to his own religious standards. He had premarital sex. With Deanna, With Jodi. With several other ladies. He was sexting with a dozen others. But he was single, he was upfront with Jodi....friends with benefits. She knew the score but thought she could change him. So that doesn't make me think the "worst" of him at all.

I do not believe the Starbucks sex, the post baptism sex and probably not the sex at the Hughes. Those were lies by Jodi. But the sex in Edinburgh, the sex on their road trips...yep. Much of it is discussed on the sex tape by Travis.

Horrifically for Travis, he ran into a psychopath. She murdered him. He was neither perfect nor a bad man.

BBM

I think that sometimes these sexually strict religions often create problems in highly sexual people like Travis. The forbidden aspect of it might actually enhance the experience and make the natural urges more...urgent.
 
Well, I have always been convinced she has something on Matt that made him think he had to help her.

Perhaps in some way, her being a murderer reflected poorly on him in some fashion, so he didn't want it to be true. I mean, can you imagine telling people that one of the loves of your life you'd talked about before was now a known psychopathic murderess? It could cause people to think your judgment is spectacularly abysmal; it would probably make you second guess everything you thought you knew about yourself as well.
 
Yes I know all that,my question pertains to the metadata they were able to pull, if they were able to access enough of the file to give a "creation" date, whatever that actually means in this case(File Created: This is the date the file was “created” on the volume.), then why no deletion dates or anything else that could verify that it was the Sony and not JA's Canon or Olympus that created the original exif data?

In response to the jury questions Dworkin had said:
-----------
JURY QUESTIONS

1) are date and time stamps on photos taken by digital cameras, can they be manually manipulated?
Answer: the photo of the file would have to exist first and then go and change the time/date.
It applies to "exif" information as well.

Dworkin did not attempt to turn on the camera as it had been stored for a long time and there was no reason to do it at the time. Dworkin did not see any evidence of time stamp manipulation.

Martinez asks about #413, is it possible that the photo of Jodi and her sister, could it have been taken in 2007 and then uploaded or downloaded in 2008? Witness answer : "anything is possible"."
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What I would like to know is why some people seem to want to believe the worst of TA? Heck, I still don't believe they had intercourse more than once or maybe twice, don't forget JA herself sees any form of sexual contact as "doing the deed" instead of what most nowadays would consider heavy petting.

Is it that impossible, knowing what we do about JA and her propensity for spinning tales, that the sexual pics may have been part of her "plan", like the shower pics apparently were? I don't hear anyone here disputing that those were legit(though some like me are still questioning whether the date/time stamp was accurate even on those, there is no evidence to prove it was), or that the bedroom pics may indeed have been from a previous time on an "recycled" card, had been deleted by TA once he got his new camera so he could use it for his new life without her, and then recovered in the unallocated spaces(much to JA's surprise, observed in her first interrogation that they were even there, but gave her another story line she could spin since she had also learned they had enough other evidence to put her there... enter the sex and ninja story?)

Why else would the defense not be disputing them if they didn't think they helped her case when trying to show how TA used and abused her, even up to that last day?

For those interested in how easy metadata is to manipulate...

http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/products/exif-sync/

"With EXIF Sync, correcting time records is no longer a problem — the application allows you to align the times of shots taken with different cameras in just a few clicks. The date and time data will be changed in the image files themselves."
I suspect I'm just not understanding your questions about the exif info then. Yes, it is possible to change the date/time on exif data, but what they found on the pics that are time stamped would be the created date from the exif data, which uses the date/time setting on the camera. Exif data does not include a delete date but it would show the make&model# of the camera. I'm not comfortable with those pics that were not time stamped, and IIRC those were the ones of her (?), but I'm not sure I believe that she would have known how to manipulate the exif data back then. Software that can do it is not that hard to find now, but not sure about early 2008. There is also the file naming system of the camera to consider - those usually include a word followed by a number (e.g. DOC326 with the next one being DOC327). The number would be sequentially assigned so if she did manipulate the date/time on the exif data, she would also have to have known how to name the file so that it showed up with the right sequence of names/numbers produced by the camera previously. I believe the forensics people would have jumped on that in a hot second if the name/numbering structure was off.
 
Perhaps in some way, her being a murderer reflected poorly on him in some fashion, so he didn't want it to be true. I mean, can you imagine telling people that one of the loves of your life you'd talked about before was now a known psychopathic murderess? It could cause people to think your judgment is spectacularly abysmal; it would probably make you second guess everything you thought you knew about yourself as well.

It doesn't seem like a very logical scenario to explain his support. If you assume he supported her because he was in denial and refused to see her as a cold-blooded murderer, then he would not only have to deny her own behavior, but the consensus opinion reflected in the media.That seems like an awful lot of denial and turning a blind eye to the obvious in order to not believe you could have been fooled. It seems to me it would be far easier to admit your earlier failings and join the consensus. That's why his support is so puzzling, but we know she had support from many other people too, not a lot compared to the majority, but it was there, beginning with her family. It's hard to say what made him a kool-aid drinker, but it wasn't completely unique, and I don't think in and of itself it implies he was in on the plan from the beginning, no more so than any of the other post-event apologists.
 
It doesn't seem like a very logical scenario to explain his support. If you assume he supported her because he was in denial and refused to see her as a cold-blooded murderer, then he would not only have to deny her own behavior, but the consensus opinion reflected in the media.That seems like an awful lot of denial and turning a blind eye to the obvious in order to not believe you could have been fooled. It seems to me it would be far easier to admit your earlier failings and join the consensus. That's why his support is so puzzling, but we know she had support from many other people too, not a lot compared to the majority, but it was there, beginning with her family. It's hard to say what made him a kool-aid drinker, but it wasn't completely unique, and I don't think in and of itself it implies he was in on the plan from the beginning, no more so than any of the other post-event apologists.

Yeah, it's amazing sometimes that no matter how compelling the evidence against a given individual, there is always someone in the background insisting that the person is innocent. Moms and Dads are almost a given, but it's the peripheral people who are so puzzling.
 
Yeah, it's amazing sometimes that no matter how compelling the evidence against a given individual, there is always someone in the background insisting that the person is innocent. Moms and Dads are almost a given, but it's the peripheral people who are so puzzling.

True, remember the Estrella Extras, who used their 15min. of fame to hold placards in support of the Persecuted Princess. None of them knew her prior to her arrival, had a history with her, nor any particular self-interest in her exoneration, yet they were somehow persuaded to play the role of impassioned supporter. A critical lack of critical thinking, I guess.
 
Interview still going with Jen . 355 folks on her Spreecast. Good show and hope archived.

ETA .. The interview lasted an hour and 20 minutes
 
Interview still going with Jen . 355 folks on her Spreecast. Good show and hope archived.

ETA .. The interview lasted an hour and 20 minutes

I saw the last 20 min. or so. He's a breath of fresh air, on so many levels.
 
Interview still going with Jen . 355 folks on her Spreecast. Good show and hope archived.

ETA .. The interview lasted an hour and 20 minutes

Yes, when I didn't exit the page, it started playing again...
 
:)

JM thinks Brewer probably gave her the $$ she deposited in the bank within a few hours, that the killer probably did use the sex tape to blackmail him - or force him to do something, that she may have begun thinking of killing him even before mid-May though that can't be proven, TA's neighbors were interviewed but none of them saw anything, he doesn't think the killer stole anything from Travis besides the ring (valuables), that she really was just a scorned woman, nothing more complicated than that, he has never read her manifesto (lol) and didn't introduce her letter to his family because the info in it was redundant, Matt was mentioned but nothing new there.....

JM is clearly enjoying himself , and BTW, he didn't refer to notes when he wrote his book.
 
Yeah, it's amazing sometimes that no matter how compelling the evidence against a given individual, there is always someone in the background insisting that the person is innocent. Moms and Dads are almost a given, but it's the peripheral people who are so puzzling.

I think in the cases of Matt and Darryl part of their support could be that it would be hard to think they could have been involved with someone who could actually slit another human beings throat. So they grasp at anything they could believe might mean she didn't do it or had to do it in self defense. So maybe Matt bought into an abusive Travis attacking her because it's easier than accepting the idea that he may have missed some signs that a person he was involved with for years could commit such a crime.
 
I think in the cases of Matt and Darryl part of their support could be that it would be hard to think they could have been involved with someone who could actually slit another human beings throat. So they grasp at anything they could believe might mean she didn't do it or had to do it in self defense. So maybe Matt bought into an abusive Travis attacking her because it's easier than accepting the idea that he may have missed some signs that a person he was involved with for years could commit such a crime.

And I'm sure she sold that to them for all she was worth, particularly in the case of Matt where she had something material to gain from his belief.
 

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