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I listened to that podcast and didn't hear him refer to them as the "false confession". Will listen to it again.

I thought it was interesting. He had a chance to give his own personal theory of what happened and it makes perfect sense.

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I'm sure it makes sense, and is indeed, interesting to many.

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OMG, Jaiddie! Did you read the comments that followed?? :laughing:
http://drdrew.com/2016/ddp222/

This is a podcast that Kratz did with Dr. Drew (very disappointed at Dr. Drew for his whole stance on these cases, as he seems to just buy into the prosecution's BS without doing any research for himself. :() I know many can not listen to his voice and BS, and I feel the same, but I make myself listen to as much as I can because the more KK opens his mouth, the bigger the hole he digs for himself. The first half of this podcast is KK explaining his drug abuse and how he became addicted because of the stress of the AVERY case, and the addiction is what led to his inappropriate and unethical behavior with domestic abuse victims (I guess we should ignore the fact that some of the allegations against Kratz occurred well before the Halbach murder and while SA was still in prison for the wrongful conviction).

The part where he starts speaking about the Avery/Dassey cases starts at 30:30. He also explains that he is planning to write, not one, but 3 books. One for Avery, one for Dassey, and one for Teresa. In the Dassey book, he plans to show that Brendan actually accepted a 15 year plea deal, but that his family put a stop to it. He assigns most of this blame to Brendan's mother and grandmother here. I also found it very interesting that he seems to openly admit to the fact that a false confession is what led to Dassy's conviction. When he refers to the confession on here, he does not refer to it as Brendan's "alleged" false confession, he actually uses the words himself, "Brendan Dassey's false confession". Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't statements such as what he says on this podcast be used in Brendan's conviction being overturned, if the very prosecution that led to the initial conviction is now admitting it was a false confession publicly?
 
http://drdrew.com/2016/ddp222/

This is a podcast that Kratz did with Dr. Drew (very disappointed at Dr. Drew for his whole stance on these cases, as he seems to just buy into the prosecution's BS without doing any research for himself. :() I know many can not listen to his voice and BS, and I feel the same, but I make myself listen to as much as I can because the more KK opens his mouth, the bigger the hole he digs for himself. The first half of this podcast is KK explaining his drug abuse and how he became addicted because of the stress of the AVERY case, and the addiction is what led to his inappropriate and unethical behavior with domestic abuse victims (I guess we should ignore the fact that some of the allegations against Kratz occurred well before the Halbach murder and while SA was still in prison for the wrongful conviction).

The part where he starts speaking about the Avery/Dassey cases starts at 30:30. He also explains that he is planning to write, not one, but 3 books. One for Avery, one for Dassey, and one for Teresa. In the Dassey book, he plans to show that Brendan actually accepted a 15 year plea deal, but that his family put a stop to it. He assigns most of this blame to Brendan's mother and grandmother here. I also found it very interesting that he seems to openly admit to the fact that a false confession is what led to Dassy's conviction. When he refers to the confession on here, he does not refer to it as Brendan's "alleged" false confession, he actually uses the words himself, "Brendan Dassey's false confession". Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't statements such as what he says on this podcast be used in Brendan's conviction being overturned, if the very prosecution that led to the initial conviction is now admitting it was a false confession publicly?

someone elsewhere was nice enough to transcribe it LOL I can't listen to him ;-)

It's insulting that he still says that MaM left out so much blah blah blah, but I have yet to see his "missing from MaM' evidence that shows me that SA is absolutely guilty!

As for the "false confession" comment, he does say "perceived"

From someone else's transcription:

KEN KRATZ: The Dassey case is every bit as interesting as the Avery case for different reasons, you know, with the false confession and just the manipulation of this young man both institutional -- that is, perceived at least, from law enforcement -- as well as his own family: how he was really sacrificed, and how his plea offer that he had accepted was really thwarted because it was going to make Steven's case a more difficult case. It's such a tragic outcome for that 16-yr-old to have to... endure that...


ETA: Oh and he says that SA was convicted of masturbating on a hood of a car. IIRC ... No he wasn't. And didn't SM deny that she even said that in her deposition? I believe so.
 
OMG, Jaiddie! Did you read the comments that followed?? :laughing:

Yes. I did! I find it so funny to see how the tide changes in public opinion when the truth is allowed to come to light. :hilarious:OTOH, I am comforted that because all the travesty and injustices that has been shown to have happened behind the scenes in the TH investigation and then followed by the SA/BD prosecutions, the public is now showing to a certain extent that we are not willing to put up with the way things have been conducted in the past, by people who were placed in positions that were meant to be for our protection and safety. Hopefully, this brings about the day where even people in positions of power are held accountable for their actions. :smiliescale:
 
someone elsewhere was nice enough to transcribe it LOL I can't listen to him ;-)

It's insulting that he still says that MaM left out so much blah blah blah, but I have yet to see his "missing from MaM' evidence that shows me that SA is absolutely guilty!

As for the "false confession" comment, he does say "perceived"

From someone else's transcription:

KEN KRATZ: The Dassey case is every bit as interesting as the Avery case for different reasons, you know, with the false confession and just the manipulation of this young man both institutional -- that is, perceived at least, from law enforcement -- as well as his own family: how he was really sacrificed, and how his plea offer that he had accepted was really thwarted because it was going to make Steven's case a more difficult case. It's such a tragic outcome for that 16-yr-old to have to... endure that...


ETA: Oh and he says that SA was convicted of masturbating on a hood of a car. IIRC ... No he wasn't. And didn't SM deny that she even said that in her deposition? I believe so.

http://dksale.net/2016/04/27/ken-kratz-admits-dassey-confession-false-avery-case-over/

I see where he does say "perceived", but the way he says it makes it sound very ambiguous. Hearing him say it from his own mouth as he does here in this clip, he sounds very much like he is admitting that was a false confession, but that is JMO, of course, LOL. BTW, the clip is just audio of that statement alone here.

I failed to notice that the website I linked deleted the word "percieved" on that clip, but the rest is all legitimate KK's words from the podcast.

Edit: included more info and clarification.
 
http://dksale.net/2016/04/27/ken-kratz-admits-dassey-confession-false-avery-case-over/

I see where he does say "perceived", but the way he says it makes it sound very ambiguous. Hearing him say it from his own mouth as he does here in this clip, he sounds very much like he is admitting that was a false confession, but that is JMO, of course, LOL. BTW, the clip is just audio of that statement alone here.

I failed to notice that the website I linked deleted the word "percieved" on that clip, but the rest is all legitimate KK's words from the podcast.

Edit: included more info and clarification.

ahh yep, I see what you mean, I get it now, I will go listen to just that part of the other one from Dr. Drew's, it is very different when it's heard compared to written (the person that did the transcription, didn't put in all that uhhhh's, so I will suck it up and listen in a bit ;-)

ETA: it's at 32:50 on the Dr. Drew podcast, and he seems to stumble a bit, and uhhh and uhhhh and..... lol And it's odd how he says it.... perceived as well from LE and his family.
 
So did i read correctly that KK's speaking engagement has been cancelled? I'm assuming KZ's tweet about prosecutor misconduct may have had something to do with that. Has he been read his Miranda rights...LOL? You have the right to remain silent--anything you say can and will be used against you....LOL
 
It has been cancelled BCA.... but I think it had more to do with ticket sales, not many were sold at all. It hasn't stopped KK from talking, he did the Dr. Drew podcast.... and maybe Zellner should have bought a bunch of tickets so Kratz could just talk and talk and talk.... LOL
 
It has been cancelled BCA.... but I think it had more to do with ticket sales, not many were sold at all. It hasn't stopped KK from talking, he did the Dr. Drew podcast.... and maybe Zellner should have bought a bunch of tickets so Kratz could just talk and talk and talk.... LOL

Wouldn't it be funny if KZ bought a ticket. I would love to see the Q&A after the presentation. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
Wouldn't it be funny if KZ bought a ticket. I would love to see the Q&A after the presentation. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I was actually kind of hoping she would LOL or at least send some of her staff there to ask a bunch :giggle:
 
Supposedly there is some info out there in a recent interview where Kratz said he had a gun in his mouth...like that he was considering suicide? I figured I would come here to read it so I cannot remember where I saw it, most likely on twitter somewhere, but I think it was a news reporter tweeting it
 
thanks hippiemom and angelainwi, looks like it came from that podcast with Dr. Drew. I haven't listened to it all, only that little bit about BD.
 
I wonder sometimes if Kratz is building up to, " I was so far gone from the pain killers " When Zell Zellner goes after HIM for HIS part in this mess!
You know, making these statements purposely to show/tell the world clearly how NONE of this could possibly have been done on purpose, because he wasn't in his right mind. I think Kratz is scared! Rightfully so. Zellner is going to make him look more pathetic than he does now, IMO.

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I wonder sometimes if Kratz is building up to, " I was so far gone from the pain killers " When Zell Zellner goes after HIM for HIS part in this mess!
You know, making these statements purposely to show/tell the world clearly how NONE of this could possibly have been done on purpose, because he wasn't in his right mind. I think Kratz is scared! Rightfully so. Zellner is going to make him look more pathetic than he does now, IMO.

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I have to agree with you. With KZ going after prosecutor misconduct and the timing of this statement, I see the insanity defense coming into play here. PTSD from the Avery Case at the very least. Usually more to the story when a narcissistic person like that has to make those type of statements. He knows something we don't and is afraid KZ is going to uncover it.
 
Zellner tweeted this earlier this morning:
Punishing those who convict the innocent is the only way to fix the system. Honest prosecutors & cops don't need immunity.
#MakingAMurderer

The only issue I see with Kratz claiming it was the drugs or anything else.... he keeps saying none of this happened until after these trials. It may be true about the drugs, but from what I have read, his behaviour was an issue before TH's murder, and I think got worse with the drugs.

The thought did cross my mind that maybe the stress of the trial, the convict at all costs, including putting BD away for a murder that he may not have had a part of, with a possible false/coerced confession, the manipulation of facts, in the public and in the courtroom, could be his reason for turning to the drugs. JMO
 
Zellner tweeted this earlier this morning:
Punishing those who convict the innocent is the only way to fix the system. Honest prosecutors & cops don't need immunity.
#MakingAMurderer

The only issue I see with Kratz claiming it was the drugs or anything else.... he keeps saying none of this happened until after these trials. It may be true about the drugs, but from what I have read, his behaviour was an issue before TH's murder, and I think got worse with the drugs.

The thought did cross my mind that maybe the stress of the trial, the convict at all costs, including putting BD away for a murder that he may not have had a part of, with a possible false/coerced confession, the manipulation of facts, in the public and in the courtroom, could be his reason for turning to the drugs. JMO

Sorry, I don't buy it. His behavior was like that before TH's case AND the right thing to do was to step aside if you were having problems. Its not like he was the only prosecutor that was available to try the case. I have to believe he is scared and he knows something that has not been brought to light yet. I would rather see a headline that read Prosecutor asks to be relieved from the case due to stress rather than listen to his excuses now that the Avery case made me do it. To me its just an excuse for bad behavior.
 
Zellner tweeted this earlier this morning:
Punishing those who convict the innocent is the only way to fix the system. Honest prosecutors & cops don't need immunity.
#MakingAMurderer

The only issue I see with Kratz claiming it was the drugs or anything else.... he keeps saying none of this happened until after these trials. It may be true about the drugs, but from what I have read, his behaviour was an issue before TH's murder, and I think got worse with the drugs.

The thought did cross my mind that maybe the stress of the trial, the convict at all costs, including putting BD away for a murder that he may not have had a part of, with a possible false/coerced confession, the manipulation of facts, in the public and in the courtroom, could be his reason for turning to the drugs. JMO

Blaming it on drugs, stress, and the trial is an excuse for not accepting responsibility for his behavior which began long before Avery. Crying out with suicidal ideation fits the pattern of someone sayig: it wasn't me. Look at me. I am a victim.

IMO, restore some of the exaggerated reputation he had before his true personality was revealed, and Kratz will revert to his same, old, familiar Self.
 
BCA ~ if you have the thought that Kratz knows something and is scared.... does that change your feelings at all? Does it make you question SA's guilt? Or do you think it's something unrelated to the case? I'm just curious.

BCA and Zool ~ I totally agree about his behaviour (sorry, I'm Canadian haha dang u's LOL) and it being an excuse, etc. I was just saying that he insists the drugs didn't come until "after" the cases. He also doesn't acknowledge that he had any issues with his behaviour before the trials.... so there is that LOL I think the more he talks, the more he digs his hole deeper IMO

ETA: I'm off to work... keep posting... it gives me something to read while I'm there haha
 

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