Psychologists Dr. Jeffery Danziger; Dr. Alan Berns; Dr. William Weitz; Dr. Harry Kro

[Whisperer]

Frankly, I don't see ICA sitting through an MMPI. I imagine if she had to, it would turn out to be invalid as she would try to lie her way through it. The test are set up that if you lie, the graph goes beserk and they take one look and know you attempted to outwit it. You can't. IMO, KC (if she agreed) would try to fake it.

So, I don't think any Dr. could get an accurate or any diagnosis through a written test with KC.

 

[Whisperer]

These Psych fees for Attorneys are outrageous!!! We are talking tens of thousands here!!!!

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Odd that JB would go to a PAS expert for this kind of case. Wow, he must really be grasping at straws.

PAS is most commonly used by abusers as a counterclaim against allegations of domestic violence or child sexual abuse. In most jurisdictions it has failed to pass Frye/Dauber tests. It is NOT included in the current DSM and was rejected for inclusion in DSM-V, though I understand there will be some suggestion of further study. A frightening thought that will keep battered women's advocates earning their pay, for sure.

I just don't see how it remotely applies at all to CA/ICA/Caylee either. Caylee lived with ICA so they weren't physically separated and supposedly they have this "amazing bond."

Is there another reason this doctor could be testifying? Is it possible his testimony is unrelated to PAS? Even JB has to have a better plan than that.


Ugh. This crazy case.

In case it is PAS, here are some links for further study: http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/pas/faq.htm

 

[ArtichokeHeart]

Here's an interesting link that defines PTSD. More women than men....hmmm.

It was commonly known as battle fatigue, and has been talked about as far back as the civil war.

Women who suffer from PTSD have often been sexually abused.

http://www.medicinenet.com/posttraumatic_stress_disorder/article.htm

Since KC hasn't been to war, or suffered the wrath of a natural disaster, can we connect the dots and say her PTSD excuse will include abuse?

Quite frankly, you could be a bit more creative Mr. Baez....I can hear it now:

We need an excuse, let's call it abuse!

There is no excuse for murder or even negligence but there is reason to prevent her from the death penalty and that is understanding. Cindy and George and Lee are the most well meaning of people yet within their realm they have no effective way to correct a problem that they had some influence in creating and fostering. Ultimately it is Casey's choice. In fact even her mental illness is a stance she has chosen. She cannot be allowed back into society because she has shown absolutely no comprehension of her wrongness. She has apologized only to Amy "for not being a better friend". She has never apologized for lying or even stealing.

Her lying is so extreme in that she creates an identity with it. But if you look more closely you will see that in actuality it is Cindy who has created if not inspired this identity and that this "identity" is their whole basis of communication, closeness and acceptance. And so it is a character whom Casey authored to suit the needs and expectations of her mother. It is a front. It is an invisable wall for Casey to hide behind to do what she wants and it is so powerful in its scope ....meaning Cindy upholds this idea up so high...wants it so much...that she practically bows down to it...at least she cows to it....So Casey has this wonderful leverage for manipulation and even domination. Inside though Casey feels nothing but disgust. She can have no respect for her mother or father and she is very much alone. OK she fears her mother this is where life for gets trecherous where she has to walk a thin line between asserting herown true self if even she can find it and/or pleasing her mother whose love she she craves.

Casey does not feel loved for whom she is. She is only loved for whom she pretends to be.(does she care about about marrying a young preppy rich man? No. She has Tony L who she is almost inlove with). Casey underneath is just someone who "is not good enough" for her mother. And her father loves her for her appearance.

This does not a killer make. It is just a sad situation. Killing Caylee seems very out of character for her otherwise pollyannaish ideal of supermom career woman. I still remain unconvinced it wasn't an accident , possibly due to using chloroform or possibly Caylee just drowned in the pool. And maybe it was just so horrorific that Casey has blocked it from memory. It happened so fast and she just got rid of it as fast as she can (OK a bit lovingly with her blanket and teddy bear and the heart...the duct tape could have been an afterthought to cover all orifices). What do you do when you have everything going for you and you spill the paint? You keep on going. And that is exactly what she did. Only the human mind is not like that. It won't allow us to work that way, hence the nightmares. Even reality creeps in from all around...her mother and family, law enforcement.

Even without losing Caylee the imposter game would soon bring her down. How was she going to have money? Suppose one of her friends had a job for her. She still would have no references. And because she shared Caylee with her mother she would never stray far from home. I don't think she could have kept her game up much longer. Knowing she was betraying Tony would eat her up from within. It would prevent her from being close and from trust. And who knows what she would resort to. She would be operating from a very dangerous if not tretcherous psychological place. A place where truth would bring much loss and disgrace.

As it stands now the decision of the jury to opt for death or not remains in Casey's hands. It is not a matter of her gaining sympathy. It is a matter of her becoming human; of repenting. So far she is still a liar heartless. If this was an accident we'd have all the details and some heartfelt responses. If murder...the same. She has not cracked nor come forward.

It is on this level that I question the application of the DP. Does she really know right from wrong? Certainly she does not perceive her own best interests.

 

[Gecko100]

I have been a clinical social worker for 20 years, and have suffered PTSD for the last 7 years. Casey does not strike me as someone who is suffering from PTSd. Where is the hyper-vigilance, the depression, constant nightmares, panic attacks, overwhelming anxiety. I peed the bed every night for 4 years.
If I was in her current position I would be a dribbling mess. I find it hard to communicate with people, have difficulty leaving the house, and live a life of virtual isolation. That does not describe Casey during the time her child was missing/dead.
I have observed her laughing, seemingly in control of her emotions, and acting as para legal. I can barely read a book, and would certainly be unable to sustain hours of testimony about my deceased child without losing the plot.
I think she has axis 2 issues one of which is narcissism.

 

[Gecko100]

I have been a clinical social worker for 20 years, and have suffered PTSD for the last 7 years. Casey does not strike me as someone who is suffering from PTSd. Where is the hyper-vigilance, the depression, constant nightmares, panic attacks, overwhelming anxiety?
I peed the bed every night for 4 years.
If I was in her current position I would be a dribbling mess. I find it hard to communicate with people, have difficulty leaving the house, and live a life of virtual isolation. That does not describe Casey during the time her child was missing/dead.
I have observed her laughing, seemingly in control of her emotions, and acting as para legal. I can barely read a book, and would certainly be unable to sustain hours of testimony about my deceased child without losing the plot.
When you have PTSD your whole time is taken up by trying to look/remain normal while scoping the environment for threats to your safety and it is quite exhausting.
PTSD is no excuse for murder. We recently had someone in OZ claim PTSD on being a serial killer, it didn't work.
I think she has axis 2 issues one of which is narcissism.

 

[ThinkTank]

06/17/2011 Motion for Reimbursement of Costs for Mental Health Expert

http://mobile.mcall.com/p.p?m=b&a=r...DL.w=&DL.d=10&DQ=sectionId%3A6090&DPS=0&DPL=3

Casey Anthony trial: Perry adjourns court until 9 a.m. Tuesday – no explanation given

By Anthony Colarossi and Walter Pacheco , Orlando Sentinel
Mon Jun 20 2011 1:01 PM

Expert bills state $6.850
In related news, the defense has filed a motion for reimbursement of costs for witness Dr. William Weitz, a mental health expert.

Weitz wrote a report for the case in March and was deposed twice in April.
He has submitted a Justice Administrative Commission voucher for $6,850 for his services and travel expenses, the motion says.
The motion says "due process costs must be approved by the court through specific order" in this instance.
The motion, signed by Baez, says Weitz's voucher complies with JAC rates

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t1IKoWtQFXbILJ9pVMwT-c0dXhXOtFw-u5N2jfvVJM0/edit?hl=en
DEFENSE PENALTY PHASE WITNESS LIST

Dr. William Weitz - Boca Raton, FL - psychologist - specialist in PTSD
Defense requested add to Defense Penalty Phase Witness List 3/21/11 not granted
yet
Defense requested add to Guilt Phase Witness List 3/22/11 - not granted yet
State depo started April 7, 2011 - finish depo April 13, 2011
Defense requested depo transcript 4/11/11
State requested depo transcript be UNSEALED on April 14, 2011
ADDED to State Witness List 4/26/11


https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en
DEFENSE WITNESS LIST

WITHDRAWN AS WITNESS IN GUILT PHASE during Hearing on
April 15, 2011 - remain in Penalty Phase if allowed

 

[RebaKennedy]

Hi All,

It's been awhile since I've been to Websleuths, but thought I should share this info with y'all ... Dr. Karin McBride, who specializes in narcissism and specifically, narcissistic mother-daughter relationships will be guest posting on my blog later this week (and in the future) to answer questions from readers on the psychological aspects of the Casey Anthony trial.

She's scheduled to appear on Issues with Jane VM, was supposed to be tonight but with the trial delay, not sure ....

Details here (her vitae, book, where to send questions, etc.):

http://backseatlawyer.blogspot.com/2011/06/psych-todays-dr-karin-mcbride-will.html

Your comments and questions are welcome, Dr. McBride is very friendly and helpful and there's no question limit here.

God bless you all and thanks, Websleuthers!

Oh! One more thing -- FYI, I've been sending blog readers to your forum for reference material on this case, routinely recommending Websleuths as the repository to go to for all things Caylee Anthony (transcripts, orders, etc.).

I hope this is okay, didn't ask first, just figured that anyone coming to look would have to sign up for the forum and that would provide any needed safeguards.

Thx again,

Reba Kennedy aka the Backseat Lawyer

 

[crucibelle]

Oh GAWD, can't they find anybody that has credentials and doesn't have a lot of excess baggage?

Of course not, because they need people who will LIE.

 

[Justin Tyme]

JB did a little head nodding and smirking toward the jury as they came in. Or was that toward the SA table?

 

[Intermezzo]

:bump:

Since Baez brought up PTSD on the Dr Phil show I have bumped this thread