Thanks, got it-I did sort of paraphrase the Dx, but even with APD, I understood that it is very hard to work with and recognize.
I recall a very good episode of the Sopranos where Dr. Melfi was arguing with her peers that she could use talk therapy to "break" a sociopath. Her contemporaries mocked her and told her it would be impossible because that patient would lie their way through it. She was just getting to know this disorder...In a follow-up appointment with Tony Soprano, the sociopath in debate, he proves them right, she feels taken advantage of and she gets very ticked off, ending their Dr/patient relationship.
Just wondering if, with the limited time and "get to know ya" depth of the conversation these docs could have had with KC, whether it was possible for them to diagonose her with APD. I hope they could and did and the state can use it.
Antisocial personality disorder is one of the illnesses/disorders that do not get better. If they should be in therapy, the psychologist would help them to function with work/academics/family/friends in their life. But these are not individuals who seek therapy because they do not feel there is anything wrong with them - it's everybody else with the problem. It is when they are incarcerated that they will get therapy and be studied. Will they change? probably not. Do they lie? yes, note when mouth is moving although there will be truth woven through.
Could they have diagnosed ECA with this disorder? Absolutely! But would they have done that? Question: who was paying them? Yes, that can make a difference sadly.
According to Allen Moore, the Public Information Officer of the Orange County jail, and the Inmate Visitor Logs for Inmate Anthony - she has a NEW PSYCHOLOGIST visiting her on May 3, 2011 (day after the last May 2nd Hearing), Ronda Calderon Weinstock - along with attorney Cheney M.
Interesting that the death penalty mitigation specialist (who atty Andrea L brought in) has also been to visit Inmate Anthony several times, along with the Inmate's attorneys.
April 29th Jeanene Barrett
April 30th Jeanene Barrett
May 1st Jeanene Barrett
May 2nd Jeanene Barrett
So, the Inmate currently has two psychologists still on the Defense Penalty Phase witness list, and a new psychologist visiting her.
Dr. Harry Krop - Penalty Phase expert - Psychologist - Gainesville, FL - added Dec 30, 2010 to Defense Penalty Phase Witness List
Dr. William Weitz - Boca Raton, FL - psychologist - specialist in PTSD - on Defense Penalty Phase Witness List since March 22, 2011 - ADDED to State Witness List 4/26/11
Interesting info on new psychologist..
http://fl.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19950901_0050421.FL.htm/qx
Petition for Certiorari Review of Order from the Circuit Court for Seminole County, O. H. Eaton, Jr., Judge.
COBB, J. The petitioner, Dr. Ronda C. Weinstock, seeks certiorari review of a trial court order allowing various discovery requests. Her principal argument is based upon the psychotherapist/patient privilege.
In February, 1991, the respondent, Suzanne Groth, filed a two-count complaint charging Dr. Weinstock, a clinical psychologist, with negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. According to her complaint, Groth sought psychotherapy and marriage counseling from Dr. Weinstock in 1985 and attended over 100 sessions, of which some were joint sessions with her husband, Robert Groth, and with her children. After declaring that the Groths were cured in May, 1986, Dr. Weinstock began an "intensely personal social relationship" with them. Groth later discovered that Dr. Weinstock was having an affair with Robert Groth.
Interesting info on new psychologist..
http://fl.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19950901_0050421.FL.htm/qx
Petition for Certiorari Review of Order from the Circuit Court for Seminole County, O. H. Eaton, Jr., Judge.
COBB, J. The petitioner, Dr. Ronda C. Weinstock, seeks certiorari review of a trial court order allowing various discovery requests. Her principal argument is based upon the psychotherapist/patient privilege.
In February, 1991, the respondent, Suzanne Groth, filed a two-count complaint charging Dr. Weinstock, a clinical psychologist, with negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. According to her complaint, Groth sought psychotherapy and marriage counseling from Dr. Weinstock in 1985 and attended over 100 sessions, of which some were joint sessions with her husband, Robert Groth, and with her children. After declaring that the Groths were cured in May, 1986, Dr. Weinstock began an "intensely personal social relationship" with them. Groth later discovered that Dr. Weinstock was having an affair with Robert Groth.
She'll fit right in then!
Interesting info on new psychologist..
http://fl.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19950901_0050421.FL.htm/qx
Petition for Certiorari Review of Order from the Circuit Court for Seminole County, O. H. Eaton, Jr., Judge.
COBB, J. The petitioner, Dr. Ronda C. Weinstock, seeks certiorari review of a trial court order allowing various discovery requests. Her principal argument is based upon the psychotherapist/patient privilege.
In February, 1991, the respondent, Suzanne Groth, filed a two-count complaint charging Dr. Weinstock, a clinical psychologist, with negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. According to her complaint, Groth sought psychotherapy and marriage counseling from Dr. Weinstock in 1985 and attended over 100 sessions, of which some were joint sessions with her husband, Robert Groth, and with her children. After declaring that the Groths were cured in May, 1986, Dr. Weinstock began an "intensely personal social relationship" with them. Groth later discovered that Dr. Weinstock was having an affair with Robert Groth.
Oh GAWD, can't they find anybody that has credentials and doesn't have a lot of excess baggage?
Seems again, like this whole bunch is getting into bed with the DT .... pun intended. :loser::loser::loser:
Me thinks that JBarretts recent visits have been made perhaps due to her bonding with ICA over the years. She, I feel, may be the only one ICA can "relate" to on some strange level. I was and am not impressed with her, but I can see ICAs draw to her in manipulations of sorts.
Oh GAWD, can't they find anybody that has credentials and doesn't have a lot of excess baggage?
In reviewing Jesse G's depo, it seems his words are what is fueling the Defense Theory. I am thinking the DT will attempt to set the stage through Jesse Grund and not necessarily the testimony of all the Professionals.
Jesse states:
1. If casey witnessed a terrible tragedy, she would completely part with reality.
2. He speaks of Cindy's controlling behavior and gets specific how she treated ICA
3. He tells that ICA told him she was molested by Lee and maybe George.
4. He believes she would have solicited help to dispose of Caylee.
Still think they are going to use his words to prove Casey's behavior.
Has anyone ever considered that the reason KC told JG she was molested by both her brother and father was to keep JG away from them and keep the focus on her. Many times when the men in the family get attached to the sister/daughter's boyfriend they form a bonded relationship. It appears KC tried to keep her relationships separate from her family and that could be because she was afraid the family would spill the beans about KC's social habits. Just throwing it out there. Do sociopaths do this? jmo
It is interesting to me that the Inmate had a psch eval in July 2008 when she was arrested, but the Defense did not try to add a PTSD expert to the GUILT phase until a few weeks ago, March 22, 2011 !!
Does that mean all of the psychologists that saw the Inmate or read her records did NOT report a diagnosis of PTSD until Dr. Weitz was added in March 2011?
If Dr. Weitz, the PTSD expert, has visited with the Inmate in person, at the jail, we do not know about it from recent jail visitor logs. How could he make a diagnosis of PTSD without evaluating the Inmate?