Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

[human]

I love how Trump commented on his daughter's figure and how he would date her if she wasn't his daughter.:sick:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...made-a-creepy-incest-joke-about-his-daughter/

 

[KEVINinTO]

The full deposition from the Constand lawsuit has been released by the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/a...g-women-using-fame-drugs-and-deceit.html?_r=0

Interestingly enough it was never sealed and was always available through public sources (maybe the media should start digging for the "confidential" settlements that Michael Jackson made)

 

[BirdycatNY]

http://nypost.com/2015/07/16/is-bill-cosby-really-a-rapist-or-has-the-definition-just-changed/

Is Bill Cosby really a ‘rapist,’ or has the definition just changed?



This article seems like a huge slap in all the women's faces. We're back to forty women are lying forty years afterwards for no good reason.

Yes, some of the accusers said they agreed to take some pills from Cosby. This doesn't mean that they agreed to have sex. They say they did not know the pills would knock them out and Cosby would then have his merry way with them. If you believe the women that there was an encounter, why not believe the details?

To my mind, even if there had been a consensual plan to have sex, having sex would be off the moment that the presumptive partner falls unconscious and thereafter it's rape because they're no longer able to consent or withdraw the consent.

And the way the accusers describe Cosby behaving afterwards does not sound like Cosby thought he was having consensual sex either. Patricia, the latest one, says that Cosby told her she fell ill and passed out and was naked because he had to wash her dress. Why would he be pretending it was purely platonic if it was consensual to begin with?

I find this article a bit odd because the same reporter was writing earlier:

http://nypost.com/2014/12/22/camille-cosby-is-the-ninny-of-the-year/

Personally, I find it sick that anyone would take the position that it's victim's fault they agreed to a drink/drug only for someone to have non-consensual sex with them. This is what rapists plan on that agreeing to drink/drug or even being somewhere alone with them means they can rape you and violate you in anyway they want because well, you shouldn't of been in a room with them or accepted a drink from them. It's utterly sick.

The 70's was probably a bit more programming/pressure going on so that females were just supposed to keep quiet about it, right, it's peace and free love right? How could anyone complain when it's free love...and to a rapist it's a perfect environment to violate women. It's long over due that when individual's like Peyser push this utter BS (meant to keep females quiet imo), push right back. A rapist and apologists will always try to twist violation so it's victims fault, but victims need to speak their truth. I think Peyser may be playing devil's advocate with articles? Jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

BBM

The full deposition from the Constand lawsuit has been released by the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/a...g-women-using-fame-drugs-and-deceit.html?_r=0

Interestingly enough it was never sealed and was always available through public sources (maybe the media should start digging for the "confidential" settlements that Michael Jackson made)

WHAT??!?!?!? It wasn't sealed? Didn't everyone assume it was? So...we were played.

 

[KEVINinTO]

BBM



WHAT??!?!?!? It wasn't sealed? Didn't everyone assume it was? So...we were played.

Yep. Seems like a huge mistake on the part of BC's lawyers. The only reason a person would offer a big cash settlement out-of-court is to keep every detail of the matter secret.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I just stumbled across this on the NYTimes website myself.

Who knew?

When was the whole thing released?

The press has been very quiet about this ... er BOMBSHELL!

SMH

 

[Montjoy]

'Bill Cosby admitted paying women after sex and deceiving his wife'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/bill-co...en-after-sex-and-deceiving-his-wife-1.3159134

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/bill-cosby-drugged-raped-after-6094487

new interview with Victoria Valentino

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...2005-reveals-WORDS-conniving-pursuit-sex.html

After describing a sexual act he had with Contand, Cosby explained why he believed it to be consensual.

'I walk her out. She does not look angry. She does not say to me, don't ever do that again,' he said. 'She doesn't walk out with an attitude of a huff, because I think that I'm a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want to call them.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ORDS-conniving-pursuit-sex.html#ixzz3gJXTK4zs
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Romantic sexual things, or rape, whatever you want to call it...

Somehow the use of present tense talking about a past incident makes it sound like he's making it up on the spot.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...2005-reveals-WORDS-conniving-pursuit-sex.html

After describing a sexual act he had with Contand, Cosby explained why he believed it to be consensual.

'I walk her out. She does not look angry. She does not say to me, don't ever do that again,' he said. 'She doesn't walk out with an attitude of a huff, because I think that I'm a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want to call them.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ORDS-conniving-pursuit-sex.html#ixzz3gJXTK4zs
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Romantic sexual things, or rape, whatever you want to call it...

Somehow the use of present tense talking about a past incident makes it sound like he's making it up on the spot.

BBM: I would probably be scared of a man with such power and want to get away ASAP. If I were drugged I would probably feel like crap and just want to get out of there. What in the $#@& is romantic about getting raped while you are unconcious? What a idiot.

 

[Donjeta]

NYT:

At times he described becoming frustrated after Ms. Constand failed to follow his advice, such as when he wanted her to pursue her interest in sports broadcasting by calling someone and she did not. “Here’s a mentor, Bill Cosby, who is in the business, Bill Cosby, who happens to know something about what to do and Andrea is not picking up on it,” he said.

Ms. Constand ultimately went to the police to complain of Mr. Cosby’s behavior, but in his telling, his seduction was one of persistence and patience.

He can't bear not being in complete control at all times. How dare she not obey Bill freaking Cosby.... she must be punished.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Wow, just readings the Times article.....all of BC's secrets are finally spilling out. His lying, devious, conniving ways are out in public for all the world to see. A$$.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Daily Mail:

How I used fame and drugs to sleep with vulnerable women and hush money so my wife wouldn't find out: Conniving Bill Cosby details his pursuit of sex in never-before-seen deposition from 2005

The deposition is from a lawsuit filed by Andrea Constand, who accused the comedian of drugging and molesting her

Cosby, 78, denied sexually assaulting the victim, whom he also calls a liar, and other women

He also discussed paying off victims through his agent so 'Mrs Cosby' wouldn't find out

Deposition revelations come as former Playboy model claims Cosby plied her with drugs to 'feel better' after her son died, then raped her


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ORDS-conniving-pursuit-sex.html#ixzz3gKWslnup

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.freep.com/story/life/201...osby-accusers-find-strength-telling/30324319/

Cosby asked her to bring him some ribs from a local joint, Checkers Bar-B-Q, and drop them off when she met him at the St. Regis Hotel in Detroit's New Center. McKee sent her dad to get the ribs and borrowed his Lincoln Continental to get Cosby.

When she knocked on his hotel room door, Cosby opened it wearing a bathrobe, McKee said. He took the ribs from her, and then what happened next was fast and brutal.

"He grabbed ahold of me, pulled me to him, spun me around, pulled my panties down," said McKee. "He pushed me against the door … and penetrated me."

"There was nothing romantic about it," said McKee. "This was being attacked."

"I wasn't raped. I wasn't drugged. So I was one of the lucky ones," said Leslie, 53.

Leslie said she believes Cosby cut off some promising entertainment industry prospects for her afterward.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/18/arts/bill-cosby-deposition-excerpts.html?_r=0

Mr. Cosby acknowledges in the deposition that he secured seven prescriptions for Quaaludes in the 1970s over a period of two to three years from a Los Angeles doctor. He says that, while he told the doctor he had a sore back, he imagined that the doctor understood that he was not using them to treat his pain.

Q. You testified that he knew you were not going to take them. And I’d like to -- explain your answer. How did he know that, or why do you say he knew that?

A. What was happening at that time was that that was -- Quaaludes happen to be the drug that kids, young people were using to party with and there were times when I wanted to have them just in case.

Mr. Cosby says he never took the Quaaludes himself because they made him sleepy and because he was using them in his efforts to have sex with women. He also says that, with the exception of one glass of beer, he stopped drinking alcohol when he was 16.

Q. Why didn’t you ever take the Quaaludes?

A. Because I used them.

Q. For what?

A. The same as a person would say have a drink.

At another point, Mr. Cosby describes how he routed a payment to Therese Serignese, the woman who said she had been taken advantage of while drugged in Las Vegas, through his agent at the William Morris Agency. He says the agency sent Ms. Serignese $5,000 and he reimbursed them.

Q. And the reason you were doing -- who were you preventing from knowing that?

A. Mrs. Cosby.

 

[wendiesan]

I guess if she isn't angry enough after, then she never said no.

In the deposition, Cosby described why he viewed what he said was a sexual encounter with the plaintiff in the case as consensual, according to the newspaper. The woman accused him of drugging and molesting her.

"I walk her out. She does not look angry. She does not say to me, don’t ever do that again," Cosby said in the deposition, according to the newspaper.

"She doesn’t walk out with an attitude of a huff, because I think that I’m a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want to call them," he said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...king_up_on_romantic_cues__New_York_Times.html

 

[bluesneakers]

I guess if she isn't angry enough after, then she never said no.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...king_up_on_romantic_cues__New_York_Times.html

Newsflash Bill:

If you are dense enough to confuse rape with a "romantic sexual thing" you are not a decent reader of people and their emotions.

 

[Sherwood Park]

It's been a while since we had a new accuser. Well, not quite new, this is one of the Jane Does but we haven't heard from her before. Patricia sharing her experience with Cosby:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/cosby-accuser-details-allegations/

from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...e-could-be-an-inspiration-to-young-women.html



http://time.com/3957881/eve-ensler-on-bill-cosby-let-the-mythical-daddy-die/

Eve Ensler (the author of The Vagina Monologues):


And I guess now we know why Smithsonian is determined to keep the Cosby Show:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...an-attracting-record-visitors/article/2568411

Bill Cosby art exhibit at the Smithsonian attracting record visitors



And he has another defender (an art lover):



Never mind, let's let bygones be bygones. What happens in the 70's stays in the 70's.

The featured artists have nothing to do with Bill Cosby being a serial rapist. The point of an exhibit is to look at the art, not the owner of the art. He just happens to be one of the biggest collectors of this type of art and therefore what he owns is in the collection.

 

[Sherwood Park]

Chuck D from Public Enemy has weighed in on Twitter:
http://www.billboard.com/articles/c...xual-assault-controversy-public-enemy-twitter





I'm not sure what his point is. Young people don't understand that drugging and raping people wasn't as bad in the olden days? People should still keep the Cosby name attached to buildings because historically he was once thought a good person?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ing-everyone-from-bill-cosby-to-ray-rice.html

[video=youtube;7dkQ3t7tnds]http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=7dkQ3t7tnds[/video]

I don't think that is what he is saying.
I grew up watching the Cosby Show and it's spin off's . Despite Cosby being a revealed rapist, we can't pretend that his t.v. show never existed or his historical achievements never happened. We can't go back in time and erase the fact that those of us who were children at the time watched the Cosby Show or those who watched Fat Albert or paid money to see his comedy routines. We can't take those experiences back.
Cosby needs to be held accountable for his crimes. Even if he doesn't go to jail, he is getting the greatest punishment and consequence a person like Cosby could ever receive, a PUBLIC fall from grace based on facts. He may never do jail time, but at 78 years old, for him to have to watch all that he achieved be diminished or taken away because he chose to commit these crimes is torture for a prideful, fake, hypocritical man like Cosby. Hopefully Hugh Hefner is next on the chopping block.

 

[wendiesan]

I don't think that is what he is saying.
I grew up watching the Cosby Show and it's spin off's . Despite Cosby being a revealed rapist, we can't pretend that his t.v. show never existed or his historical achievements never happened. We can't go back in time and erase the fact that those of us who were children at the time watched the Cosby Show or those who watched Fat Albert or paid money to see his comedy routines. We can't take those experiences back.
Cosby needs to be held accountable for his crimes. Even if he doesn't go to jail, he is getting the greatest punishment and consequence a person like Cosby could ever receive, a PUBLIC fall from grace based on facts. He may never do jail time, but at 78 years old, for him to have to watch all that he achieved be diminished or taken away because he chose to commit these crimes is torture for a prideful, fake, hypocritical man like Cosby. Hopefully Hugh Hefner is next on the chopping block.

The higher they are, the harder they fall.

 

[Donjeta]

The featured artists have nothing to do with Bill Cosby being a serial rapist. The point of an exhibit is to look at the art, not the owner of the art. He just happens to be one of the biggest collectors of this type of art and therefore what he owns is in the collection.

If it was just an anonymous art collector who happens to be filthy rich without no one ever hearing about him this might be true but it seems clear to me from the reviews that the fame of Cosby was supposed to be the draw that gets people to see the art.
JMO and I have never visited this exhibition but reading about the exhibition it is evident that there is quite a bit of looking at the owner of the art and his hypocritical views. There are lots of quotes from him on the walls and he has been interviewed for the catalog, there are several artworks that are directly related to the family, he gets to say how important family values are to him... etc.

I have seen several art exhibitions with works from private collections and I can't remember any offhand where the collector's person and views about family etc. was as prominently displayed as this exhibition.

MOO the artists have done nothing wrong and I suppose the museum might have had a hard time replacing this exhibition at short notice, but the least they could have done is taken away the Bill Cosby quotes from the walls. But they chose not to do it. Why they even chose to put all that up, knowing that Cosby was accused of being a serial rapist is quite beyond me. Camille Cosby is on the board and the museum director is a personal friend, and there was a lot of money in it for the museum. I am looking at the museum ethics with a severe side-eye.