Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

[Morag]

Ah, yes.......here we go:


ABC forced Whoopi Goldberg to change her stance on Bill Cosby rape allegations 'after overwhelming number of viewer complaints'

Whoopi Goldberg announced on The View Tuesday that she had changed her stance on allegations of rape against Bill Cosby

After learning about the statute of limitations on rape cases Goldberg said that Cosby did appear to be guilty

She also urged Cosby to speak up and defend himself if these allegations were not true

An insider is now revealing that ABC executives pressured her to stop defending Cosby

Goldberg had been a vocal supporter of the disgraced actor for months and the network was receiving an overwhelming number of complaints

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-number-viewer-complaints.html#ixzz3g0Ek3igJ

Well, through the years Whoopi has continued to defend convicted rapist Roman Polanski, even though he drugged, stripped and sodomized a 13-year-old girl,l and fled the country after he was convicted. She said "it wasn't rape rape", possibly because he was a famous director and she was a very young actress hoping for a part. 13 years old. And Polanski is not black.

 

[monkey222]

Has Oprah shared her opinion? Thx..

 

[Slebby]

Obama is being very weak, IMO. There may not be a mechanism for revoking the Medal of Honor, but he is the President of The United States, for heavens sake! Set a precedent. He could also use stronger language. He could say "there is no mechanism for revoking the Medal of Honor, OTHERWISE I WOULD!" Use your position of power, BO, use some stern language.

I don't see the Pres commenting strongly has any effect on civil cases - he has merely commented on the truth as stated by BC himself - that he had obtained quaaludes for the purpose of giving them to young women to bed them. The Pres has not and would not be adding anything to the facts that are already out there.

FYI, Canada revokes the Order of Canada.


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[Fairy1]

Why does this have to become a political issue? Cosby is the bad guy here. Since he cannot be convicted, criminally, in a court of law what, exactly, would be the proper process to revoke his Medal of Honor?

No one knows. IMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

Obama is being very weak, IMO. There may not be a mechanism for revoking the Medal of Honor, but he is the President of The United States, for heavens sake! Set a precedent. He could also use stronger language. He could say "there is no mechanism for revoking the Medal of Honor, OTHERWISE I WOULD!" Use your position of power, BO, use some stern language.

I don't see the Pres commenting strongly has any effect on civil cases - he has merely commented on the truth as stated by BC himself - that he had obtained quaaludes for the purpose of giving them to young women to bed them. The Pres has not and would not be adding anything to the facts that are already out there.

FYI, Canada revokes the Order of Canada.


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But only after convictions and jail time, or in one case someone losing his license to practice law. It took three years for them to take it from a man who'd been convicted of promoting hatred.

I'm not saying Obama should NOT take back Cosby's MoF, but I don't think it's a decision he can make on the spot like that, especially if it's not something that's ever been done before.

 

[mister happy]

That B-list comedian had it down-pat when he said:

"Bill Cosby has the f—ing smuggest old black man public persona that I hate. 'Pull your pants up, black people. I was on TV in the '80s. I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom.' Yeah, but you raped women, Bill Cosby. So, brings you down a couple notches."

 

[Fairy1]

I have to be honest, I ADORED, the Bill Cosby Show back in the day and have watched all the re-runs with my kids over the years. I think I can quote most episodes word-for-word. This whole thing just breaks my heart but I don't, for one second, disbelieve the women that have come forward with their stories. What is it now - 40 women? They have nothing to gain. I'm sincerely sorry for everyone involved - including the masses who really thought BC was a good man.

So difficult to see heroes fall so far.

 

[wfgodot]

Bill Cosby was relevant to me when I was maybe eleven or twelve; I bought an album with my hard-earned lawn-mowing money, got another for a birthday present and then another from my grandmother a little later and --

Then with the '60s just about over I discovered Richard Pryor and that was that, as it always is once true genius enters the picture.

Goodbye for a second time then, Bill Cosby. Your talent for self-promotion finally fatally backfired.

 

[Fairy1]

Bill Cosby was relevant to me when I was maybe eleven or twelve; I bought an album with my hard-earned lawn-mowing money, got another for a birthday present and then another from my grandmother a little later and --

Then with the '60s just about over I discovered Richard Pryor and that was that, as it always is once true genius enters the picture.

Goodbye for a second time then, Bill Cosby. Your talent for self-promotion finally fatally backfired.

This got me to thinking......Over the years, I think we can see there is very often a dark, dark side to comedic genius. I could list many of them here, but y'all know. This, with BC, goes beyond that. It's one thing to have a human weakness, but another to use your powerful position to abuse what you made helpless women. That's another story, altogether.

 

[LinasK]

I used to watch the Huxtable family, but I didn't love it. Too phony, and saccharinely(sp?) sweet. Just like with Michael Jackson, talent shouldn't put you above the law...

 

[Inthedetails]

Bill Cosby was relevant to me when I was maybe eleven or twelve; I bought an album with my hard-earned lawn-mowing money, got another for a birthday present and then another from my grandmother a little later and --

Then with the '60s just about over I discovered Richard Pryor and that was that, as it always is once true genius enters the picture.

Goodbye for a second time then, Bill Cosby. Your talent for self-promotion finally fatally backfired.

For me, the strongest memories of Bill Cosby are from 5th grade. We had a teacher who spent long stretches of the day in the teachers' lounge, and a boy in our class would bring in old Bill Cosby albums to play on the record player in the classroom. All of us knew the routines by heart and it was such fun to recite them together. It was one of the best years in elementary school!

Richard Pryor scared me when he came on the scene. Oh, the irony....Bill Cosby was actual the much scarier man!!

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-difficult-place-with-bill-cosby-allegations/

POST: Is the museum’s reluctance to remove the exhibition related to the close relationship between African American Art museum director Johnnetta Cole and the Cosbys, and why has she been so quiet in the debate about this?

...

Camille Cosby joined the board on May 1, 2010.

Camille Cosby has contributed the annual suggested amount ($10,000) as a board member for fiscal years 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014; total is $40,000.
In addition, the Cosbys bought two tables at the November 2014 fundraising gala, $25,000 each for a total contribution of $50,000.

The only other contributions to the Smithsonian from the Cosbys:

From Bill Cosby:

1990, $5,000 for Smithsonian folklife center

1992, $5,000 same

1995, $10,000 same

So a total of $20,000 for our folklife center (which produces the annual folklife festival on the Mall).

There are no pending donations from the Cosbys.

Forgetting the $716.000

I don't understand why they couldn't keep the art on the walls, just take down the Bill Cosby placards. I'm sure Camille would understand if explained that it's for the good of the museum.

http://www.theguardian.com/artandde...-collection-washington-exhibition-in-pictures
http://iraaa.museum.hamptonu.edu/page/Commentary-on-the-Commentary

From one of the photos on the pages it appears there might even be a painting of the lovely couple on exhibition.

From this article (not sure when it was dated)

If the show finds its broad-gauged national audience, especially among African Americans, it will be because so many not in the know came to know African American art—its relevance and significance—with Cosby’s celebrity as conduit, and his art selections as guide. It is a fitting legacy for a gifted performance artist who introduced this art to millions through his beloved TV programs.

While this initial article takes issue with points made in a review of the show, it is not intended as an apologia for Bill Cosby

“The Cosby art collection displayed in the National Museum of African Art serves as part of this man's public relations offensive while the public battle over his misdeeds rages,” Matthew Vadum, Senior Editor of the Capital Research Center in Washington DC, told FOX411. “It is unseemly for the taxpayers who fund the museum to be forced to play a role in rehabilitating Cosby's image.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...g-portion-smithsonian-bill-cosby-art-exhibit/

Oh and he's still got one more person in his camp:

“Media witch hunts are not proof,” added Dan Gainor, VP of Business and Culture at the Media Research Center. “Cosby enjoys the same protections all Americans have a right to expect -- and innocent until proven guilty is one of the most important.”

I wasn't aware that all innocent Americans have the right to expect to have the Smithsonian host an exhibition in their honor.

Joseph C. Phillips on video:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/15/entertainment/joseph-phillips-cosby-feat/
He makes more sense in a shorter space that leaves him no room to make ludicrous pleas.

http://gawker.com/a-comprehensive-list-of-everyone-trying-to-sever-ties-w-1716923032
A Comprehensive List of Everyone Trying To Sever Ties With Bill Cosby

 

[cady]

If Cosby thinks of himself as an honorable man, so be it. No one else does. His stupid medal of honor is meaningless. JMO

 

[wendiesan]

I used to watch the Huxtable family, but I didn't love it. Too phony, and saccharinely(sp?) sweet. Just like with Michael Jackson, talent shouldn't put you above the law...

Absolutely right. Neither talent nor wealth, influence, religious affiliations, family connections, awards, honours, military rank, political position, gender, country of origin, profession, skill, past service, skin colour, athletic prowess, and physical appearance should not put anyone above the law.

 

[bluesneakers]

For me, the strongest memories of Bill Cosby are from 5th grade. We had a teacher who spent long stretches of the day in the teachers' lounge, and a boy in our class would bring in old Bill Cosby albums to play on the record player in the classroom. All of us knew the routines by heart and it was such fun to recite them together. It was one of the best years in elementary school!

Richard Pryor scared me when he came on the scene. Oh, the irony....Bill Cosby was actual the much scarier man!!

I knew them by heart too (they got a lot of play in the barracks), and yesterday caught myself starting to sing "Dad is great.. he gave us chocolate cake.."

I loved the Huxtables for years and Cliff reminded me so much of my father. The good parts I could deal with, like who my dad might have been if not for all the other stuff (sad but common stuff). Now, of course, it turns out my dad at his VERY WORST was nowhere even close to bad Cliff.

 

[Donjeta]

It's been a while since we had a new accuser. Well, not quite new, this is one of the Jane Does but we haven't heard from her before. Patricia sharing her experience with Cosby:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/cosby-accuser-details-allegations/

She said Cosby gave her a drink. Halfway through that one drink, she said, she started to lose her balance and slur her words.

And the next thing she was aware of, she said, was waking up naked in a bed, with Cosby standing over her, wearing a bathrobe.

He told her she had thrown up and passed out, she said. When she asked where her dress was, Cosby said he'd had to wash it, she said.

She also said that she believed Cosby had an obsession with Queen Noor of Jordan.

from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...e-could-be-an-inspiration-to-young-women.html



http://time.com/3957881/eve-ensler-on-bill-cosby-let-the-mythical-daddy-die/

Eve Ensler (the author of The Vagina Monologues):

We can decide this is the catalytic moment where we finally come out of our collective denial and break our attachment. 
Where we stand unequivocally together and say we believe the women who came forward to accuse Cosby of rape. Where we create a climate where all women are safe and protected socially and economically when they tell the truth. This can be moment where we ensure a world where a father is defined by his wholeness, his tenderness, his honoring, and his care — not by his domination, manipulation, and sexual violence. And where women are valued and believed. It’s up to us.

Let the mythical daddy die.

And I guess now we know why Smithsonian is determined to keep the Cosby Show:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...an-attracting-record-visitors/article/2568411

Bill Cosby art exhibit at the Smithsonian attracting record visitors

Edward Burke, head of Communications and Public Affairs at the National Museum of African Art in Washington, D.C., said Wednesday that the museum has attracted more visitors than ever since the "Conversations: African and African American Artworks in Dialogue" exhibit, which includes a collection of African-American art owned by Cosby, opened in November 2014.

And he has another defender (an art lover):

"What they said he did in the 1970s is what happened in the 1970s," Richard said, referring to the Quaaludes drugs Cosby allegedly used to sedate and rape women. "The past is the past."

Never mind, let's let bygones be bygones. What happens in the 70's stays in the 70's.

 

[mister happy]

Dang, even if you take all the drug & rape allegations out of the equation, Cosby was still doing an enormous amount of "messing around". Apparently his wife wasn't concerned about this. Business as usual. Let's hope, for his family's sake, that he was condom protected. America's Dad makes Tiger Woods look minor league. Mind = Blown.

 

[Donjeta]

http://nypost.com/2015/07/16/is-bill-cosby-really-a-rapist-or-has-the-definition-just-changed/

Is Bill Cosby really a ‘rapist,’ or has the definition just changed?

Still, I wonder if some, if not most (or maybe all?) of the dozens of women who claim Cosby attempted or completed sexual assaults against them, dating back as far as the 1960s, swallowed drugs willingly before the encounters.

It may not matter. Most of Cosby’s illicit activities would be considered sex crimes, according to today’s feminist-written definition of rape. Off with his head, and other body parts!

But not long ago, society looked at rape differently. If a woman, and this was mainly about women, knowingly took drugs or drank alcohol before engaging in sex, and then for whatever reason — shame, guilt or seeing Prince Charming turn into a frog by the light of day — that lady regretted her tacit agreement to engage in sexual activity, she would just have to live with her stupid decision.

This article seems like a huge slap in all the women's faces. We're back to forty women are lying forty years afterwards for no good reason.

Yes, some of the accusers said they agreed to take some pills from Cosby. This doesn't mean that they agreed to have sex. They say they did not know the pills would knock them out and Cosby would then have his merry way with them. If you believe the women that there was an encounter, why not believe the details?

To my mind, even if there had been a consensual plan to have sex, having sex would be off the moment that the presumptive partner falls unconscious and thereafter it's rape because they're no longer able to consent or withdraw the consent.

And the way the accusers describe Cosby behaving afterwards does not sound like Cosby thought he was having consensual sex either. Patricia, the latest one, says that Cosby told her she fell ill and passed out and was naked because he had to wash her dress. Why would he be pretending it was purely platonic if it was consensual to begin with?

I find this article a bit odd because the same reporter was writing earlier:

This woman has long overlooked her husband’s admitted sexual indiscretions while bearing him four girls and a boy. (The Cosbvs’ only son, Ennis, was murdered in 1997.) I don’t know if she truly believes her words, or if she’s a Stockholm syndrome sufferer who has convinced herself that Bill Cosby can do no wrong. But by comparing her husband’s avalanche of accusers to a lady who made a false rape claim, Camille Cosby helps to ensure that no one will believe the cries of women who’ve experienced genuine sexual attacks.

After living as the wife of a rich entertainer, with houses, cars and fine clothes, I suppose it’s easier for her to defend her man like a lioness than it is to face the possibility that she might be living a lie. Camille Cosby should stop being a ninny.

Let the truth come out.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/22/camille-cosby-is-the-ninny-of-the-year/

 

[Donjeta]

Someone else besides me got a bit upset by the Peyser article:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ny-p...ions-not-rapes-but-high-pressured-seductions/

But all of this delays the main event, which is the phrasal coinage, “high-pressure seductions.” What, pray tell, is this supposed to be? I mean, what the hell is a “high-pressure seduction”? Is Peyser’s thinking contextual, like when a person tries to seduce another during a very important business meeting? Or is it literal, as in the amorous advances of astronauts aboard the International Space Station?

Frankly, it’s a smoke screen. A small bin of verbal garbage meant to get around an otherwise nasty four-letter word that’s being used in conjunction with Cosby’s name. And while Peyser is right to point out that Cosby hasn’t been charge with a crime, and that he and his camp — including his wife and manage Camille Cosby — maintain his innocence, it still falls flat.

Rape by any other name is still rape. It’s still wrong, and it’s still illegal.

http://www.golocalworcester.com/lifestyle/bill-cosby-and-rape-one-womans-perspective

As a person who understands the power to incite or de-escalate a situation by the simple usage of language and how powerfully language can modify or soften the perception of various social dynamics, the media would do well not to downplay or whitewash the language used to describe Cosby¹s crimes. When the media makes statements claiming that after these women were drugged Cosby “had sex” with them, their main purpose is to downplay the act of Forcible Rape. The reality for anyone who understands the legal definition is that Bill Cosby committed Forcible Rape on every one of these women, for the simple reason that they were unconscious or in varying stages of losing consciousness and unwilling to consent to sexual intercourse of any kind.

That's Forcible Rape. “Forcible Rape, by the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, (UCR) definition, is the carnal knowledge of a person forcibly or against that person's will, or when a victim is mentally or physically incapable of giving consent.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-lute/camille-cosby-and-america_b_7789430.html

I can never return to my pre-rape self. As a means of self-preservation, I broke off whole pieces to save vital fragments. It was a furious violation, more about power and degradation than sex. Knowing this, I am appalled when Mrs. Cosby -- in the few times she's spoken out -- insists these horrific acts aren't criminal but rather the result of their open marriage or his chronic "philandering." In doing so, she's attempting to shift the dialogue from the crimes of an alleged serial rapist to consensual sex outside one's marriage, making it a familial issue and not a legal or even moral one. What cannot be disputed is that a civilized woman with manners beyond reproach couldn't have qualified her husband's crimes as the list of victims rose daily. As the Cosby's remained frustratingly silent, I found myself wondering if they would have taken such a callous stance had their daughter been the target of an affluent and powerful sex offender.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-no-excuse-heres-why_55a7dd78e4b0896514d08730

"Although some of the women engaged in consensual relations with Cosby, their accounts substantiated the defendant's alleged predilection for somnophilia," Troiani wrote.

The rape allegations may have little to do with somnophilia, however. If Cosby is guilty, it's possible that he had fantasies of sex with sleeping women, Randall said. It's also possible that the drugs were just a way to prevent the women from fighting back.

Following President Obama’s comments on the matter, N.J. Gov. Chris Christie has weighed in on the dozens of sexual assault allegations against Bill Cosby, saying that the situation “makes me sick.”
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...dal-It-makes-me-sick.html#ZVUb6I7YvIQr1Vqe.99

 

[Donjeta]

So much for Iran: Why Obama’s Cosby comments rocked the media landscape
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...obamas-cosby-comments-rocked-media-landscape/

The president of the United States held forth for more than an hour on the intricacies of the Iran deal, and yet the media world is buzzing about the minute or so he devoted to Bill Cosby.

More presidential condemnation:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/18/donald-trump-calls-bill-cosby-guilty-as-hell
Donald Trump calls Bill Cosby 'guilty as hell'

“I’ve never been a fan of Bill Cosby. I’ve never liked him. I’ve known him; I’ve never liked him,” he added. “I think he was a highly overrated guy — both in talent and in many other ways.”

Joel McHale majorly burns Bill Cosby in his ESPYS monologue

Around the 8:40 mark, McHale congratulates UFC champ Ronda Rousey on being such a powerhouse, and sets up this epic diss.

Ronda’s knocked out more women than Bill Cosby.

And if you were waiting for McHale to insert an “allegedly,” don’t hold your breath. Although, the show host did make a correction.

Oh, you know what? I’m sorry. I misspoke. I meant Dr. Bill Cosby.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...les_force_impersonator_to_change_his_act.html

Cosby's troubles force impersonator to change his act