MJ, I wish I could thank that post twice....
Without the benefit of rape kits and other circumstantial evidence, would you really rather such potential offenders go without prosecution or punishment? I wouldn't want to live in that world.
IT has happened to other celebrities.
I don't see why he should have to deny anything if he is innocent. That only has to do with what the public wants, not what they need or deserve.
His career is not done. Not at all. People are still going to the shows. And will continue to I bet.
IT has happened to other celebrities.
I don't see why he should have to deny anything if he is innocent. That only has to do with what the public wants, not what they need or deserve.
His career is not done. Not at all. People are still going to the shows. And will continue to I bet.
http://deadspin.com/bill-cosby-once-publicly-bullied-a-notre-dame-football-1661325778"What do you think of a 2.5 average?" Cosby asked.
"I think it's decent," replied Brown, who was recently drafted by pro football's Indianapolis Colts.
Cosby snarled back: "2.5 is OK if you have a mental disorder. You should be ashamed of yourself. You should have worked harder."
Tears streamed down the 290-lbs. Brown's face as he tried to defend himself: "I worked hard. I did my best..."
But Cosby cut him short. "You didn't do enough."
Saw your piece on Cosby and Dean Brown. Just wanted to send you a little more detail on Dean and the impact of Cosby words on him. It stayed with him for years.
You're right that Dean was a good guy. His nickname on campus was "Big Happy." He also had some serious difficulties growing up. He watched his mother coughing up blood as she had a stroke in front of him when he was 4. His dad had already left by then. She couldn't work for years and was left with a permanent limp. He had no money. He hustled food stamps at 10. He'd collect the food stamps from people in the neighborhood, buy 25 cents of candy, give the food stamp recipient back 75 cents of change, that money was then spent at the liquor store. Dean would resell the candy at school at a marked up price And his favorite show growing up? Fat Albert. That isn't some nice revisionist detail. He actually wrote that on a media guide questionnaire before his junior year. He was also very candid in saying he benefitted the most of any of his teammates by being at Notre Dame. So he starts on a national title team and then he's set to graduate a year later, a pretty monumental deal for him and Cosby berates him. When I spoke to Dean in 2012 for my book he said this: "I went a lot of years feeling like I was a failure, one because I didn't think I played long enough in the pros," Brown said. "And, there were times that anytime I heard Bill Cosby's name it wasn't a cringe, but it was a heavy uneasiness about what had transpired."
Wow, I don't understand this logic one bit. Historical sexual assault cases are prosecuted quite often, even though no rape kits were collected, and so forth. But this whole idea that more cases make a claim less credible is nothing short of ludicrous to me.
Imagine a case (and there have been many) where, say, a physician, a teacher, or a priest -- people who have some power, authority, wealth, or prestige -- is accused by several people of some sort of sexual abuse or misconduct years after the event. Do you honestly think that the police or prosecutors are going to think something like:
"Hm...well, too bad that there are so many people making allegations. If it was only one or two people, I think we'd take them seriously. But I can't believe that Father/Doctor/Celebrity X is the kind of guy to do something like this so many times. After all, there is no evidence of rapists or sexual abusers as being serial offenders."
You're moving the goalposts as well with discussing 'irrefutable evidence'. Historical cases are prosecuted successfully all the time, without the benefit of things like rape kits.
But the thing is, as far as I'm aware none of the women who say they got raped are sheltered virginal nuns. It has been reported that many of them are married or in relationships. I am not aware of the personal lives of all of the accusers but the available evidence suggests that most if not all of them have probably had consensual sex with other people, sometimes more than a few other people. Did they blame all their sex partners for rape in the media? Not as far as I know. So why do they all single Bill Cosby out? What could be so damn traumatic and horrible about amicable sex with a mega rich comedian in a luxurious mansion or hotel room that your memory would twist it into a drugging and raping situation? ...JMO I find it very hard to believe that so many sexually repressed women are still having so traumatic second thoughts about their single consensual encounter with Cosby that they have to twist it into a rape in their minds to block out the detail that they consented...
Well said, Montjoy and Donjeta.
It's also insulting to women and men who have been sexually assaulted /roofied to say "well, you must have misremembered it". So a survivor doesn't know the difference between consensual and non-consensual sex or their own body and that they were violated? One who is sexually assaulted/roofied doesn't forget the violation (but maybe suppresses it) and will be able to recollect certain facts, unfortunately those types of memories do not fade as much as one tries to forget/suppress it. Add the fact that this allegedly happened with BC, a celebrity...it may be difficult to forget. And if this is a "celebrity conspiracy" for money, couldn't these ladies have picked an easier target?
Jmo/
The problem is that at this point there is no proof of the allegations. They are personal accounts decades old and with no other back up. The fact that more people say it does not make it more true if there is nothing to back up their claims against BC either.
If there are victims here that is horrible and reprehensible but at this point no one has been charged and no other evidence has been put forward.
If there are victims? That's progress, I think, because it allows for the possibility that there are victims without infallible proof.
JMO if it was true to begin with there's no need and no way to make it more true. More back up makes it more provable, but not more true. Truth is truth, whether there is back up or not.
Personally I consider personal accounts of similar incidents as back up of sorts. Of course witness A saying she was raped doesn't prove that witness B was raped but if witnesses C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z (we're running out of letters...) all share a similar story it's evidence of a pattern of behavior as far as I'm concerned. The chances of getting one liar are better than getting thirty something liars and not one truth teller among them.
If they all shared their accounts to police and they matched up, that would be one thing, but in this instance we have accounts to the media. So it then impacts the integrity of the accounts.
If there were 35 police reports from the time of the events that would be one thing, but we have accounts decades later to the media. It makes a difference. At least to me.
The media is certainly a factor to be reckoned with. Cosby's lawyers could always argue that the later accusers took their cues from the publicity generated by Constand's lawsuit and the latest wave of accusations. But it seems that most of them got the courage to come forward from the knowledge that they're not alone in this and that he's done it to other women.
I think some of them shared their stories with friends and relatives before the media storm so that's one form of checking it out. Yeah, I know, not signed sealed and delivered, the relatives could be lying too or remember things wrong.
You said Bill Cosby doesn't have to deny anything, and he doesn't. Maybe he's beyond caring for what mere mortals think about him or it's legal strategy. But it matters to me that he doesn't. Because for the most part there is no competing, alternative version of the events.
For the most part we don't know if he's saying he never met this woman, or that they had sex but it was consensual, or that they met and she's a crazed fangirl who imagined it or that he drugged her and had sex with her but she wanted it really or that he raped her but it was ok because he's Dr Cosby or that it's all true but what the heck, Camille didn't mind.
I think that in the absence of an alternative account they tend to fall back on the version they've got in the court. This is not the court but for many things, if anyone's not denying it it might as well be true.
Now maybe he's busy with his lawyers in the background but in the public eye it looks like he is not trying his damnedest to protest his innocence and salvage his reputation. A couple of halfhearted statements from his lawyers that didn't really deny much and Cosby's been trying to ignore it, intimidate reporters or make a joke out of it.
And I can't help wondering that if even Cosby himself who knows what happened and whether the ladies are lying or not is not going out of his way to prove these ladies are liars, then why should we bend over backwards to try achieve that? Maybe he knows it would be a waste of time because they're telling the truth or his lawyers are worried that he'd incriminate himself because they think he actually did it?
What would it matter if he came out and acknowledged this and claimed innocence? Nothing.
People who have already made up their mond won't believe him and again if he is innocent he should not have to defend himself.
What is good for him?What the public wants really has no bearing on what is going on and what is his right and what is good for him.
I don't see why all the venom for someone who has not even been charged with anything.
“I had a Cosby case," said Fairstein, explaining that the young woman's family went to the police station, where she was referred to the special victims squad. The New York Police Department worked directly with prosecutors, Fairstein said, and both she and a detective interviewed the woman to assess her credibility, to make sure the right person was accused, and to determine if a crime had occurred.
"She was a young woman who went to his townhouse in New York," Fairstein said. "She was as credible as any witness I’ve ever interviewed. She could tell you the sort of specifics that let you know she’d been there. She had full support of her family, and because she didn’t drink, she wasn’t drugged. She got out the moment the event turned sexual."
Although Fairstein and the NYPD believed that reprehensible conduct had occurred, they concluded that there was no evidence of a criminal violation because the woman stopped Cosby's act before it went further. They didn't press charges.
A former prosecutor who declined to bring charges against Bill Cosby a decade ago said Wednesday that he wishes he could've nailed the comedian on an allegation that he drugged and molested a woman at his Pennsylvania home.
Bruce Castor also told CNN that he believed Cosby -- a beloved figure who, with his wit and boyish smile, has charmed audiences as a family-friendly stand-up comic, the voice of Fat Albert, the host of "Picture Pages" and the star of a wildly popular eponymous sitcom -- lied to authorities.
Castor, who was the district attorney for Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, when Constand came forward in 2005, now tells CNN he thought Constand was credible, and he thought Cosby was evasive in his interview with prosecutors.
Who? Who has it happened to? Which other completely innocent celebrities have been falsely accused of drugging, rape and sexual harassment by dozens of women?
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/drug-facilitated-assaultRAINN's top safety tips for safe drinking:
Don't leave your drink unattended while talking, dancing, using the ladie's room, or making a phone call.
At parties, don't drink from punch bowls or other large, common open containers.
If someone offers to get you a drink from the bar at the club or party, go with them to the bar to order it, watch it being poured, and carry it yourself.
Watch out for your friends, and vice versa. Always leave the party or bar together. If a friend seems out of it, is way too drunk for the amount of liquor she's had, or is acting out of character, get her to a safety place immediately.
If you think you or a friend has been drugged, call 911, and be explicit with doctors so they'll give you the right tests (you'll need a urine test and possibly others). The National Sexual Assault Hotline (800-656-HOPE) can often send an advocate to the hospital to help you through the whole process.
She's been asked this before, multiple times, and she has nothing.
No evidence. Irrefutable or otherwise.
Kind of ironic when one stops to think about it. From someone who refuses to "believe something just because someone said it. Because that doesn't make it true."
My quotes paraphrasing, not meant to be actual quotes.
Kevin Clash, puppeteer who voiced Elmo, cleared of three sexual abuse lawsuits
The U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed the suit against Clash, agreeing with a lower court that found the statute of limitations had run out on the young men who claimed Clash sexually abused them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/01/showbiz/elmo-suits-dismissed/A clerk with Manhattan District court confirmed that three lawsuits filed against Clash were dismissed on grounds that the statute of limitations had run out.
Dylan said this happened and I believe her. She is even giving more detail now than she did then. She mentioned those trains so WA would KNOW she remembers everything.
I think it is shameful not to believe a victim. It was not like it is now with victims. They were pulled apart. I believe that mia is nutty..
There is no reason for Dylan to come forward now. She knows what happened to her. She is a victim and still is being treated like the bad guy which is shameful if you ask me... JMO