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[DeDee]

Since this post was on the Members' Theories thread, I brought this theory, or part of it, forward so it could be discussed.

Cattyfish's theory
RSBM
If Patsy Ramsey suffered from MPD with few people close to her never suspecting, except perhaps her husband John, it seems possible she periodically lapsed into alter states representing various personality types with a wide range of emotions. One might have been a sexual molester. It's possible Mrs. Ramsey may have suffered sexual abuse herself as a child, which could be a keynote to her psyche shattering. If she was sexually abused, how unlikely is it a personality developed that acted out in her own daughter the abuse Mrs. Ramsey suffered as a child? I think it's quite possible. Another alter may have exploded into violent rages--perhaps deadly rages. The murderous personality may never have emerged prior to the night of JonBenet's murder. The violent personality is the one responsible for the severe blow to the child's head, and the methodical, ritualistic strangulation with the garrote. The sexual molester is the one who carried out that sadistic part of the crime. Still another alter could have been a young adult or teen with a flair for drama and the delusion belief she, or he, was sophisticated and worldly. The purpose of this alter is to cover up the misdeeds of the criminally oriented alter/s. I theorize the "cover up" personality emerged after the child was murdered, molested and abandoned in the basement room. This was the alter who wrote the ransom letter. I think it's likely this alter didn't know of the terrible crimes in the basement; she/he came to consciousness after leaving the basement, with an instinctive understanding something very bad had happened and that JonBenet was gone as a result and would not return. This alter devised the strategy of writing the ransom letter as a means to cover up the girl's disappearance, not realizing that, by doing so, she was actually implicating the "host" personality (the one known to the public as Patsy Ramsey). She wrote the letter, naively believing she knew how to sound like an authentic kidnapper (when the truth was, she couldn't know how far off the mark she was). After the letter was written and left on a step of the stairs from the kitchen, the author personality reverted to the recesses of Mrs. Ramsey's consciousness, probably going to sleep. When she awakened, the host personality had returned, remembering nothing of what happened while her alters were in control. She found herself awake, dressed in the clothes she had on from the party the night before. She descended the stairs and found the letter, fully convinced it written by an abductor who invaded the house during the night, taking the little beauty queen away.

The MPD or DID theory is totally believable to me. In fact, I suspect it is very close to the truth. If childhood history is the cause of MPD, it could be why everyone in the family wanted to forgive the killer and the families were so quiet afterward, except for Aunt Pam who made a shrine to JBR in her home. Patsy always just wanted to know "Who?"

I believe PDI and pre-planned it. Your theory leans more toward a specific incident that set off all of her personalities [MPD]. If PDI, and planned it, a MPD would explain the ability to write the RN the same night as the death. However, for now, I am sticking with PR composing the RN in advance and copying it over [possibly the night of the event] to leave on the stairs.

This MPD or DID illness would also explain why a sympathetic John stood by Patsy then and until she was no longer here. Was he too busy succeeding in '96 to notice her changes?

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[DeDee]

Why does it annoy me to find what looks to be the fixings for a picnic at the Ramsey Crime Scene?

At 4:39, John describes for Larry King, the monster's purpose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSrlPlhUgr8

What does his body language reveal? Near the end of the video, John looks away, then down when he says he would rather not know the answer to that question [if JBR was molested]. However, he stated a pedophile did it then both he and Patsy claim they are not sure of the sexual activity.

After reviewing the March 27, 2000, LK CNN interview, it is plain to see that John was leading the response every time. Patsy pretended to participate by moving her lips or hands or shaking her head but she rarely speaks in complete sentences without being histrionic.

 

[DeeDee249]

I think that crime scene photo of the kitchen counter was taken after the entourage of Ramsey friends arrived - with breakfast- bagels, etc. I think that is what is in the photo. And unbelievably- right in the middle of it is the POSSIBLE MURDER WEAPON. Yep- that was a really secure crime scene. Later, some of these friends were seen wiping the counters, etc- and wiping away fingerprint powder- along with the fingerprints! As it is obvious no one was "watching the store" we have no way of knowing exactly who wiped that flashlight and batteries down.

 

[DeeDee249]

As for why JR felt he needed to get an attorney for his first wife, who lived in Georgia and was never a suspect and was not known to be present in Boulder that day- my own theory is he got her lawyered up to put a buffer between her and any questions Boulder LE may have wanted to ask her. One question I know I would have asked was if she could provide any PROOF that her son JAR was with her all day and that night in Georgia. Like maybe Christmas photos, videos, etc. Some evidence was provided- not proof, IMO. JAR provided a ticket stub for a movie (as if there is a way to prove he purchased it). There is a grainy photo showing a young man at an ATM machine, but you cannot see his face- it is covered by the bill of a baseball cap. His mother could have gotten any of his friends to take his spare ATM card (the bank always gives you 2) as soon as he told his mother what happened and he needed an alibi.

 

[DeDee]

Hasn't it been proven that JAR could not have flown into Atlanta for Christmas Day when many eyewitnesses place him at Christmas dinner in Atlanta yet then leave to fly to Boulder to kill his half sister then fly back to Atlanta in time to meet w/ Melinda the morning of the 26th for their flight to MI?

I hold the belief that JAR left Boulder for Atlanta on the 19th and had nothing to do with the crimes against JonBenét in Boulder. It was unfortunate for him that the duvet with his semen stain was found inside his suitcase and associated with the CS via the beddings' fibers on JBs clothes.

I suspect those duvet fibers and JRs Israeli shirt fibers may have been planted by Patsy to implicate her husband and his son. She had Douglas' Mind Hunter's book in her home that has an entire chapter devoted to staging a CS.

Of course, JR hired Lucinda an attorney to keep her quiet. If there was any chance of molestation of her children with JR, she would not reveal it publically and further embarrass/humiliate her children, would she?

 

[DeeDee249]

I am sure there were several people who attest to JAR being in Georgia that day. But what police would have asked for was photographic or other proof. I am still on the fence about his whereabouts that day. The Rs neighbor Joe Barnhill claimed he saw JAR that afternoon walking into the Rs home. Later, of course, he recanted. But I am suspicious about his recantation. Barnhill knew the family well and was unlikely to make a mistake. With JAR in Georgia, it was unlikely that any of his college friends would have come to the R home- keep in mind the Rs were HOME that time of the day.
I think the R watchdogs had a "discussion" with Barnhill similar to the discussion they had with the Rs other neighbor Melanie Stanton, who heard a child's scream at midnight- then recanted, saying it was probably "negative energy from JB" - they reversed again stating that she did, in fact, hear a scream. The Stantons were so unnerved by the crime and the attention they got for making their claims that they moved out of Boulder not long after.

 

[Meara]

I think that crime scene photo of the kitchen counter was taken after the entourage of Ramsey friends arrived - with breakfast- bagels, etc. I think that is what is in the photo. And unbelievably- right in the middle of it is the POSSIBLE MURDER WEAPON. Yep- that was a really secure crime scene. Later, some of these friends were seen wiping the counters, etc- and wiping away fingerprint powder- along with the fingerprints! As it is obvious no one was "watching the store" we have no way of knowing exactly who wiped that flashlight and batteries down.

You are so right about the flashlight :banghead: It was the victim advocates, though, Jedamus and Morelock (jeepers, like two names straight out of a Stephen King script) who brought the coffee and bagels. Later, they cleaned the kitchen. The Ramsey Case Encyclopedia says one (unidentified) friend helped them.

Here's the Case Encyclopedia Timeline page for Dec. 26:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December 26

 

[DeDee]

I am sure there were several people who attest to JAR being in Georgia that day. But what police would have asked for was photographic or other proof. I am still on the fence about his whereabouts that day. The Rs neighbor Joe Barnhill claimed he saw JAR that afternoon walking into the Rs home. Later, of course, he recanted. But I am suspicious about his recantation. Barnhill knew the family well and was unlikely to make a mistake. With JAR in Georgia, it was unlikely that any of his college friends would have come to the R home- keep in mind the Rs were HOME that time of the day.
I think the R watchdogs had a "discussion" with Barnhill similar to the discussion they had with the Rs other neighbor Melanie Stanton, who heard a child's scream at midnight- then recanted, saying it was probably "negative energy from JB" - they reversed again stating that she did, in fact, hear a scream. The Stantons were so unnerved by the crime and the attention they got for making their claims that they moved out of Boulder not long after.

Joe Barnhill of Joe and Betty Barnhill who was credited with introducing divine healing into Patsy's life. They enjoyed keeping JonBenét's puppy dog, Jacques. Betty Barnhill had Alzheimer's. Can we trust her elderly husband to recognize JAR? The neighbors Patsy felt a need to check on every third day or so because they kept Jacques. JB & BR had a dog. He just lived across the street.

Barnhill didn't claim to see JAR walking into the Ramsey's home on Christmas Day. Barnhill was said to have seen JAR approach the Ramsey home. Who did he recant to?

Barnhill spoke too much. The BPD asked him to stop giving interviews.

 

[DeDee]

As for why JR felt he needed to get an attorney for his first wife, who lived in Georgia and was never a suspect and was not known to be present in Boulder that day- my own theory is he got her lawyered up to put a buffer between her and any questions Boulder LE may have wanted to ask her. One question I know I would have asked was if she could provide any PROOF that her son JAR was with her all day and that night in Georgia. Like maybe Christmas photos, videos, etc. Some evidence was provided- not proof, IMO. JAR provided a ticket stub for a movie (as if there is a way to prove he purchased it). There is a grainy photo showing a young man at an ATM machine, but you cannot see his face- it is covered by the bill of a baseball cap. His mother could have gotten any of his friends to take his spare ATM card (the bank always gives you 2) as soon as he told his mother what happened and he needed an alibi.

Insinuating Lucinda would ask any one of her son's Atlanta friends to commit fraud in order to obtain an alibi for JAR in a murder investigation is a leap without merit.

LE investigated JAR. They found him and his sister Melinda not to be suspects.

 

[Theonly1]

Just a question: Why would Patsy cover up for JAR? Did you ever get a feeling they had some kind of great relationship?

 

[Venom]

Just a question: Why would Patsy cover up for JAR? Did you ever get a feeling they had some kind of great relationship?

I can think of two reasons why:

-for JR's sake.
-to keep the scandal of incest and abuse secret.

 

[bettybaby00]

I can think of two reasons why:

-for JR's sake.
-to keep the scandal of incest and abuse secret.

Oh that pesky "previous sexual contact." Just won't go away now will it?

 

[Meara]

I can think of two reasons why:

-for JR's sake.
-to keep the scandal of incest and abuse secret.

Yes. OTOH, if she covered for JAR, would he later have described her to police as "flashy"? For me, they don't fit together well :dunno:

 

[Theonly1]

Yes. OTOH, if she covered for JAR, would he later have described her to police as "flashy"? For me, they don't fit together well :dunno:

Exactly, Meara. That is what I recall her saying about step-mom. Flashy. Wouldn't he be kissing patoot if she covered for him?

 

[Theonly1]

Off-topic: can anyone direct me to the entire depos for PR and JR from their first official interviews? I cannot seem to find them anywhere. Not acandyrose...

 

[otg]

Off-topic: can anyone direct me to the entire depos for PR and JR from their first official interviews? I cannot seem to find them anywhere. Not acandyrose...

Transcripts: Ramsey murder case - Forums For Justice

 

[Aleph]

I think JR lawyered up his ex-wife so she wouldn't talk about his sex life and/or history of abuse. Remember that old mistress that either JK or ST had such a hell of a time tracking down? There's something in JR's sexual past that he's trying to hide.

IMO, etc.

 

[Venom]

Yes. OTOH, if she covered for JAR, would he later have described her to police as "flashy"? For me, they don't fit together well :dunno:

True. But a spade is a spade.... :drumroll:

 

[THE BUNK]

Originally Posted by Theonly1 View Post
Just a question: Why would Patsy cover up for JAR? Did you ever get a feeling they had some kind of great relationship?
I can think of two reasons why:

-for JR's sake.
-to keep the scandal of incest and abuse secret.

Third reason - JAR may have enlisted Burke in his activities.

 

[Tadpole12]

Joe Barnhill of Joe and Betty Barnhill who was credited with introducing divine healing into Patsy's life. They enjoyed keeping JonBenét's puppy dog, Jacques. Betty Barnhill had Alzheimer's. Can we trust her elderly husband to recognize JAR? The neighbors Patsy felt a need to check on every third day or so because they kept Jacques. JB & BR had a dog. He just lived across the street.

Barnhill didn't claim to see JAR walking into the Ramsey's home on Christmas Day. Barnhill was said to have seen JAR approach the Ramsey home. Who did he recant to?

Barnhill spoke too much. The BPD asked him to stop giving interviews.

Heyya DeDee,

Barnhill didn't claim to see JAR walking into the Ramsey's home on Christmas Day. Barnhill was said to have seen JAR approach the Ramsey home. Who did he recant to?.

fmi: http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1996/12/28-1.html
December 28, 1996
"Barnhill also said he saw John Ramsey's son from a previous marriage, a student at CU, come to the house."