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Anxiety? They've got pills for that. Psychosis? They've got pills for that. Depression? They've got pills for that. Drug plan? They've got that too.

Perhaps what you have listed above Snooper is the reason for DM looking emaciated. Perhaps he has requested meds and is coping quite well other then weight loss. Some medications can cause weight loss. For all we know the weight loss may be intentional, all for the sake of vanity. MOO.
 
His solitary confinement is by choice, isn't it? JMO

Not sure .... at first I thought so , but when he asked to work in the kitchen they said no.

Our jail system does use some segregation , the street-smart jail-smart guys are separated from the white collar criminals , and the vile and disgusting child rapists are segregated to "keep them safe" from the other inmates

I suppose it comes down to the "jailers" not wanting to "cause harm" for the inmates beyond the sentence itself

Having said that , DM is neither a white collar criminal , nor a rapist as far as we know , but he is definitely a virgin to the jail system and has yet to be convicted , so they likely keep him "protected" for now.

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Personally I don't think that cruel and unusual punishment (as defined by the Canadian Medical Association, see FromGermany's post above) is something anyone deserves. Be it at the hands of another human being or at the hands of our government, whether they are guilty of a crime of not, torture is not cool in my books. Isn't there something in the Geneva Convention about that? Or some old saying about how an eye for an eye leaves us all blind?

Even if some people have no sympathy for the torture of the guilty ones, shouldn't we wait until DM is proven guilty before we subject him to torture?

And about torturing those who already have mental illness with solitary confinement or any other form of torture, I personally do not think that is okay either, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps we should agree to disagree.

This information FG posted comes from the prisoners themselves. Of course they are going to be cry babies and exaggerate. They see themselves as victims of our judicial system. Who wouldn't be upset when you no longer have much control over your life?

Just curious, does PB look and sound like he's suffering after many years in prison isolation? IMO he looks healthy enough and sounds like he can still manipulate people. No bleeding heart from me. MOO.
[video=youtube;cYY28sV5fIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYY28sV5fIs[/video]
 
PB has it pretty cushy in prison apparently. His victims' families and others affected by his evil doings still suffer greatly apparently. MOO.
[video=youtube;8ENK9mSbCyw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ENK9mSbCyw[/video]
 
Perhaps what you have listed above Snooper is the reason for DM looking emaciated. Perhaps he has requested meds and is coping quite well other then weight loss. Some medications can cause weight loss. For all we know the weight loss may be intentional, all for the sake of vanity. MOO.

Well, I suspect he is suffering. The thing is, is it better for him to be in the general population where tapping or bobbing your leg will get you punched in the head? I mean, there is not a lot of tolerance for out of line behavior. I think DM is better off not dealing with the very physical environment in the general population right now.
 
Well, I suspect he is suffering. The thing is, is it better for him to be in the general population where tapping or bobbing your leg will get you punched in the head? I mean, there is not a lot of tolerance for out of line behavior. I think DM is better off not dealing with the very physical environment in the general population right now.

Isn't good for him, but probably more safe.
 
As DP stated, DM is preparing himself for the long haul. DM chose segregation perhaps because this is where he will be once/if convicted. He won't have a choice or say in the matter, like RW, PB and MR.

If convicted, wonder what prison he will be calling his home? Maybe Quebec? He can brush up on his French there. MOO.
 
What the PB interview (the first one, I just watched a bit) shows to me is the bleakness of institutional life and the paradigms those incarcerated are forced to live under: order of the the law and the media and psychiatry.

The leader of the interview cannot talk conversationally to PB, and tell him simply that his stories matched no reports to police. Everything is couched in legal language.

Surely it is the media that provided the interpretation that PB is a liar. The officer could only repeat legalese to PB.

IMO it is the media that interprets complex formal events into everyday language and provides that information to the public, based on the findings of LE.

PB sounds like he's been brewing over the media, and he's ready to spew what he's thought over and over in his cell, but not listen to any input. He seems to think that all that's required of him in order to be rehabilitated is the ability to admit the crimes he's committed.

Psychiatry...diagnoses such as psychopathy are based on the history of the person's actions/behavior. PB doesn't understand that his past and that designation conscribes his future.

Just like DM, PB's every little variance from societal "norms" is documented and used to predict his future behavior.

Suddenly the Josie pictures and the stolen shopping cart are a big deal.

In the outside world, a man like DM, deeply suspected of having committed three crimes, would be subject to violence, bullying, shaming, shunning in retribution by society.

In prison, OTOH in my view he's constrained in the land of law and psychiatry. He's been humanely exiled from society. There is no return...wanna bet he's going to try to make a comeback on NBC?
 
Well, I suspect he is suffering. The thing is, is it better for him to be in the general population where tapping or bobbing your leg will get you punched in the head? I mean, there is not a lot of tolerance for out of line behavior. I think DM is better off not dealing with the very physical environment in the general population right now.

So if he will suffer in either situation, I guess it's just a choice of which way the prison wants him to suffer more, mentally or physically. But that means that either way he is being made to suffer, despite not having been convicted of any crimes yet. My guess would be that the officials would rather take their chances on mental suffering, because not only is it harder to prove, but if you do it right, the prisoner is no longer able to complain anyway.

I'm not so sure DM would be targeted for his crimes as much as for his wealth. After all, MS spends some of his time in the general population and he says that no one bothers him. Maybe it's because he's got so much experience in prison and DM had never spent so much as a day in jail previously?
 
So if he will suffer in either situation, I guess it's just a choice of which way the prison wants him to suffer more, mentally or physically. But that means that either way he is being made to suffer, despite not having been convicted of any crimes yet. My guess would be that the officials would rather take their chances on mental suffering, because not only is it harder to prove, but if you do it right, the prisoner is no longer able to complain anyway.

I'm not so sure DM would be targeted for his crimes as much as for his wealth. After all, MS spends some of his time in the general population and he says that no one bothers him. Maybe it's because he's got so much experience in prison and DM had never spent so much as a day in jail previously?

Wouldn't a moral person who had killed three suffer terribly, psychologically, anyway?

Suggesting that DM should live with no bad emotions coming from his situation is like saying he should take it like a psychopath and be entirely untroubled.

Psychologists would suggest DM is already mentally bent.
 
Psychiatry...diagnoses such as psychopathy are based on the history of the person's actions/behavior.

Just like DM, PB's every little variance from societal "norms" is documented and used to predict his future behavior.

Suddenly the Josie pictures and the stolen shopping cart are a big deal.

RSBM

I personally hope that this isn't true, because if anyone can be judged as a psychopath just for taking nude photos or stealing a shopping cart, then most of the population would need protection from each other. What about the people who think smuggling a little booze or smokes into the country isn't a crime, what would they be judged as by a psychiatrist, I wonder?

In my opinion, nude photos are so much a part of the societal norm now, people start doing it far younger than DM was then, and they do it well into ages you don't want to see photos of (look at Geraldo). Also, taking shopping carts from stores is so commonplace that many stores install locking wheels to make them harder to take. Both are part of the normal fabric of North American life right now, it's hard for me to judge anyone for doing either thing, personally.

BBM
To me this sounds like a George Orwell novel, living a life where every little variance from the norm is documented and used against you later if you ever step out of line.

All my opinion only.
 
Wouldn't a moral person who had killed three suffer terribly, psychologically, anyway?

Suggesting that DM should live with no bad emotions coming from his situation is like saying he should take it like a psychopath and be entirely untroubled.

Psychologists would suggest DM is already mentally bent.

Again, I personally think that we should actually prove a person guilty before we just let the torture begin. If he didn't kill three people and he's not already mentally anguished from that, is it fair to subject him to mental torture while he awaits trial or is that against the Geneva Convention?
 
So if he will suffer in either situation, I guess it's just a choice of which way the prison wants him to suffer more, mentally or physically. But that means that either way he is being made to suffer, despite not having been convicted of any crimes yet. My guess would be that the officials would rather take their chances on mental suffering, because not only is it harder to prove, but if you do it right, the prisoner is no longer able to complain anyway.

I'm not so sure DM would be targeted for his crimes as much as for his wealth. After all, MS spends some of his time in the general population and he says that no one bothers him. Maybe it's because he's got so much experience in prison and DM had never spent so much as a day in jail previously?

Juballee what make you so sure DM is "suffering"? If he is suffering, it would be by his own hands and his own doing IMO. DM has a lawyer(s) and most certainly if he was being tortured mentally and/or physically, no doubt he would report that abuse or suffering to his lawyer(s). His lawyer(s) would lodge complaints and a full out and thorough investigation would be done. What wealth? Do you know for a fact DM has wealth? Could it be no one targeted MS in GP because MS told them who the real murderer is? Maybe MS doesn't have any, or very little experience in jail or GP for that matter. And just because it's not in the MSM and DP says so, doesn't mean DM hasn't had prior convictions giving him some jail time. Perhaps DM has had previous experience in GP and that is why he has chosen segregation this go round. ;)
ALL MOO.
 
Just like DM, PB's every little variance from societal "norms" is documented and used to predict his future behavior.

Suddenly the Josie pictures and the stolen shopping cart are a big deal.

There are two accused here. If DM's "every little variance from societal norms" are under such close scrutiny, MS should be held to the exact same standard. His DUI, drug, and graffiti charges, the gore video, etc. should be seen as a "big deal" as well.
 
It's not often we are allowed to see what goes on inside Canada's prisons. I found this video very informative and quite interesting. MOO.

Inside Canada's prisons
[video=youtube;1GbMsNap0_0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GbMsNap0_0[/video]
 
RSBM

I personally hope that this isn't true, because if anyone can be judged as a psychopath just for taking nude photos or stealing a shopping cart, then most of the population would need protection from each other. What about the people who think smuggling a little booze or smokes into the country isn't a crime, what would they be judged as by a psychiatrist, I wonder?

In my opinion, nude photos are so much a part of the societal norm now, people start doing it far younger than DM was then, and they do it well into ages you don't want to see photos of (look at Geraldo). Also, taking shopping carts from stores is so commonplace that many stores install locking wheels to make them harder to take. Both are part of the normal fabric of North American life right now, it's hard for me to judge anyone for doing either thing, personally.

BBM
To me this sounds like a George Orwell novel, living a life where every little variance from the norm is documented and used against you later if you ever step out of line.

All my opinion only.

Well medicine has been changing in the last 10 years or so as the field moves to electronic record keeping. You've probably been to your doctor and seen them interact with a system called Nightingale http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/169...al-management-system-agreement-with-ontariomd which is the clinical management system used in Ontario. Now, with electronic records, despite a patient moving, using multiple providers, and so forth, the system is able to keep a life-long record of someone's interactions with the system. (Well, ideally...my doctor calls it Nightinmare.)

People with mental health and addiction issues are tracked with a system called OCAN http://ontario.cmha.ca/news/recommended-uses-for-ocan/#.VZ7i9vlVhBc

Within psychiatry, technology allows providers to track a full and complete personal and medical history. Unfortunately, this means personal info is compiled within the medical system as somehow meaningful.

The Ontario Ministry of Health buys people's data for Air Miles (I know because I've sold mine)....they have a longitudinal study of the health of Ontarians going on and they have paid for access to Ontarians medical records and blood samples drawn specifically for the program. They also buy people's purchase history via the LCBO for alcohol use studies (again, I've sold mine.)

All of these digital records are creating a heydey for research, including within psychiatry.

DM will no doubt be studied for decades in search of his shrunken forebrain that destined him to be a criminal ;) and all the telling signs (shopping cart theft ;)) that he was going to turn out to be a psychopath.

Psychopathy is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy because in order to be considered destined to do things in your future, you only have to have done things in your past.
 
There are two accused here. If DM's "every little variance from societal norms" are under such close scrutiny, MS should be held to the exact same standard. His DUI, drug, and graffiti charges, the gore video, etc. should be seen as a "big deal" as well.

Amen.
 
There are two accused here. If DM's "every little variance from societal norms" are under such close scrutiny, MS should be held to the exact same standard. His DUI, drug, and graffiti charges, the gore video, etc. should be seen as a "big deal" as well.


Oh yeah, that other guy. Isn't he just the follower? Or was he commanding armies from DM's basement?
 
There are two accused here. If DM's "every little variance from societal norms" are under such close scrutiny, MS should be held to the exact same standard. His DUI, drug, and graffiti charges, the gore video, etc. should be seen as a "big deal" as well.

We've been there and done that many times over. We've even scrutinized the third accused also multiple times. Oh and MWJ too. Seems like we keep coming back to the same conclusion...DM the boss leader giving orders to his followers. It seems pretty apparent he had no followers when it came to his father's murder though, wonder why? Heat of the moment? Less people who knew, less chance of someone spilling the truth? It will be of great interest to learn how it came to be, MB and DM's ex were at the house that eve. We can speculate until the cows come home, but the truth is what I want to know. All in good time. MOO.

BTW speaking of the third accused, does anyone know if she graduated?
 
We've been there and done that many times over. We've even scrutinized the third accused also multiple times. Oh and MWJ too. Seems like we keep coming back to the same conclusion...DM the boss leader giving orders to his followers. It seems pretty apparent he had no followers when it came to his father's murder though, wonder why? Heat of the moment? Less people who knew, less chance of someone spilling the truth? It will be of great interest to learn how it came to be, MB and DM's ex were at the house that eve. We can speculate until the cows come home, but the truth is what I want to know. All in good time. MOO.

BTW speaking of the third accused, does anyone know if she graduated?

She did.
 
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