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LaLaw2000 said:
I've mostly been silent on this thread, but just have to ask a question. Does it bother anyone else that those kids were in a carrier strapped to Charlotte and Eric so much of the time? Baby L. was in a carrier so much of the time that in a pic where she was lying on the seat at the table on the boat, her little feet and legs were still turned outward as if still in the carrier. She seemed to either be pressed to Charlotte's chest or back or to Eric's most of the time. And I won't even get started on the playpen pic where those babies were having to sleep all over each other! At least little Cora had grown enough to be able to get about on her own.

I have absolutely no problem with the amount of money the rescue cost for the babies' sake. Their little lives cannot be measured in money. I do have a major problem with those babies having been where they were to begin with.

It seems to me that Charlotte was enabling Eric to live his dream without really being that into it herself. They were both selfish, IMO, and never gave a thought about how their children might be able to 'weather' the storms that might arise. They were all running headlong into the unknown and dragging their precious babies along with them.

I'm still very angry at Eric and Charlotte at placing their babies in such adverse circumstances. They should have to take parenting classes, IMO.

Now this is all I have to say about that!

MOO"S
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BBM. Yes. Big red flag to me but I have twin granddaughters Lyra's age. They are very active. I got the impression the focus was the carrier and Charlotte was trying to sell them online. Poor Lyra is secondary. Plus, a sailboat that small has no walking or crawling room for a baby so the confinement was cruel, imo.

I totally agree with you about parenting classes.
 
SwampMama said:
BBM, without judging the parenting, we can look at the SITUATION that E&C CHOSE to put their children in. Most parents want the BEST for their child, including SAFETY. They would not put their children at risk in such a situation.

E&C were heckbent on putting their children in a very sketchy (at best) situation so daddy could have bragging rights and mommy could write a blog about being an adventurer.

What possible benefit does and infant get from being on a cramped, rocky boat where her sleep is disrupted because the boat is rocking so violently. Infants need proper sleep as do young children. If the baby was nauseated, could she tell mommy? NO because she is too young. Does the baby see this as an adventure? NO, babies don't want adventure, they want security.

Had E&C been competent, experienced sailors, AND had a larger and seaworthy boat, then I would not have such an objection. Most parents love to spoil and pamper their children, and sacrifice so that their children are comfortable.

But E&C aren't about to let a lil thing like their children's comfort bother them.
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I would just like to take a moment to profess my interwebz love for SwampMama.

:loveyou:
 
Oh puleeze... this (from Eric's most recent blog posted above):

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The above bolded by me.

Most of what I saw (and read) on mainly Charlotte's blog were photo's of them exercising, lounging, hanging out on beaches and at farmers markets and often times drinking. Stories of what they were doing, seeing and reading. This, to me, does not seem like a "difficult" life.

Even the next line from Eric appears to me, to be what it is really ALL about for him (them):
Our adventurous sailing friends are literally going wherever the wind blows at this very moment.

Am I the only one who feels this way?




http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2014/4/30/captains-log-april-30-2014.html
 
Frigga said:
Oh puleeze... this (from Eric's most recent blog posted above):
<modsnip>

The above bolded by me.

Most of what I saw (and read) on mainly Charlotte's blog were photo's of them exercising, lounging, hanging out on beaches and at farmers markets and often times drinking. Stories of what they were doing, seeing and reading. This, to me, does not seem like a "difficult" life.

Even the next line from Eric appears to me, to be what it is really ALL about for him (them):
Our adventurous sailing friends are literally going wherever the wind blows at this very moment.

Am I the only one who feels this way?




http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2014/4/30/captains-log-april-30-2014.html
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No, you are not the only person that feels this way. :\ ;)
 
LaLaw2000 said:
I've mostly been silent on this thread, but just have to ask a question. Does it bother anyone else that those kids were in a carrier strapped to Charlotte and Eric so much of the time? Baby L. was in a carrier so much of the time that in a pic where she was lying on the seat at the table on the boat, her little feet and legs were still turned outward as if still in the carrier. She seemed to either be pressed to Charlotte's chest or back or to Eric's most of the time. And I won't even get started on the playpen pic where those babies were having to sleep all over each other! At least little Cora had grown enough to be able to get about on her own.

I have absolutely no problem with the amount of money the rescue cost for the babies' sake. Their little lives cannot be measured in money. I do have a major problem with those babies having been where they were to begin with.

It seems to me that Charlotte was enabling Eric to live his dream without really being that into it herself. They were both selfish, IMO, and never gave a thought about how their children might be able to 'weather' the storms that might arise. They were all running headlong into the unknown and dragging their precious babies along with them.

I'm still very angry at Eric and Charlotte at placing their babies in such adverse circumstances. They should have to take parenting classes, IMO.

Now this is all I have to say about that!

MOO"S
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:loveyou: My hat off to you.
 
Here is an article about hip dysplasia,it has a section on baby carriers. When done properly it isn't likely to cause issues. I wore my high needs daughters for sometimes 6 hours a day. http://hipdysplasia.org/development...tion/baby-carriers-seats-and-other-equipment/
LaLaw2000 said:
I've mostly been silent on this thread, but just have to ask a question. Does it bother anyone else that those kids were in a carrier strapped to Charlotte and Eric so much of the time? Baby L. was in a carrier so much of the time that in a pic where she was lying on the seat at the table on the boat, her little feet and legs were still turned outward as if still in the carrier. She seemed to either be pressed to Charlotte's chest or back or to Eric's most of the time. And I won't even get started on the playpen pic where those babies were having to sleep all over each other! At least little Cora had grown enough to be able to get about on her own.

I have absolutely no problem with the amount of money the rescue cost for the babies' sake. Their little lives cannot be measured in money. I do have a major problem with those babies having been where they were to begin with.

It seems to me that Charlotte was enabling Eric to live his dream without really being that into it herself. They were both selfish, IMO, and never gave a thought about how their children might be able to 'weather' the storms that might arise. They were all running headlong into the unknown and dragging their precious babies along with them.

I'm still very angry at Eric and Charlotte at placing their babies in such adverse circumstances. They should have to take parenting classes, IMO.

Now this is all I have to say about that!

MOO"S
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The only thing that came to mind after originally reading Eric's blog, was, sniff, sniff, playtime is over! Now you have to grow up and be the man of the house, go to work, and accept responsibility!

And while he is bemoaning the fact, he needs to realize that Charlotte is not a sailor. Of course, he cannot do that as he only sees what Eric wants!
 
mrsobrien said:
Here is an article about hip dysplasia,it has a section on baby carriers. When done properly it isn't likely to cause issues. I wore my high needs daughters for sometimes 6 hours a day. http://hipdysplasia.org/development...tion/baby-carriers-seats-and-other-equipment/
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Thanks for this. I noticed a post by Charlotte in her blog about proper positioning in a baby carrier, but I couldn't find it again. Also, I can't imagine that all the babies worn by their mothers in centuries past suffered from hip dysplasia or foot problems.
 
Lilibet said:
Thanks for this. I noticed a post by Charlotte in her blog about proper positioning in a baby carrier, but I couldn't find it again. Also, I can't imagine that all the babies worn by their mothers in centuries past suffered from hip dysplasia or foot problems.
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I read it too, there is a search function on her blog.

I did come across this from her Youtube videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dfHg9Z6xPQ
 
Dang. I just found this thread. Would have loved to have seen it from the start because this story had my blood boiling.

I left multiple comments on the Rebel Heart blog. The 1,000 plus comments were erased within a few days of the Kaufman's return. No surprise there.

I was shocked by the initial story of 2 babies being taken to sea, but was even more appalled and shocked the more I read of Charlotte's blog. The diapers, the hidden cake, the photo of 3 year old Cora photographed holding a shotgun, the public PR campaign against her uncharged father, the photos of Cora's private parts for the world to see, the unabashed admission by Charlotte that she was suicidal just a few months before they set sail.....on and on.

Then I read up on Eric. Wow. He allowed his wife and babies to get horribly seasick so he could make up time lost because he didn't know how to plan for weather. It was only when his wife threatened to fly off with the kids that he said.. oh, well I can trim the sails and you'll feel better. WTF?

Check out the cruisers forum where Eric loved to post. On multiple threads the dude harshly criticizes other sailors for their mistakes and flat out mocks others. He lurked there for many days after his return before he had the guts to post anything...and that was just a teaser, not a reply to the sincere questions of the largely supportive posters there.

What bugs me most - and it still does- is the rank hypocrisy of these parents, and their utter self absorption. They both have made public a huge amount of extremely personal information...repeatedly. They've urged folks to read that info and have used multiple social media to ensure the maximum amount of exposure.

But....only on their terms, apparently. Dissenters are disappeared. Only supporters are acknowledged...everyone else is a hater or an ignorant risk averse dunce jealous of others " living the dream." Barf.

It is their complete inability to accept responsibility for their own bad decisions and their denial of any legimate criticism that makes me truly concerned for their children. In their own minds I'm sure they believe they are excellent parents. For their children's sake I hope someone other than Charlotte's enabling sister is keeping watch over what happens next for those babies.
 
Hope4More said:
Dang. I just found this thread. Would have loved to have seen it from the start because this story had my blood boiling.

I left multiple comments on the Rebel Heart blog. The 1,000 plus comments were erased within a few days of the Kaufman's return. No surprise there.

I was shocked by the initial story of 2 babies being taken to sea, but was even more appalled and shocked the more I read of Charlotte's blog. The diapers, the hidden cake, the photo of 3 year old Cora photographed holding a shotgun, the public PR campaign against her uncharged father, the photos of Cora's private parts for the world to see, the unabashed admission by Charlotte that she was suicidal just a few months before they set sail.....on and on.

Then I read up on Eric. Wow. He allowed his wife and babies to get horribly seasick so he could make up time lost because he didn't know how to plan for weather. It was only when his wife threatened to fly off with the kids that he said.. oh, well I can trim the sails and you'll feel better. WTF?

Check out the cruisers forum where Eric loved to post. On multiple threads the dude harshly criticizes other sailors for their mistakes and flat out mocks others. He lurked there for many days after his return before he had the guts to post anything...and that was just a teaser, not a reply to the sincere questions of the largely supportive posters there.

What bugs me most - and it still does- is the rank hypocrisy of these parents, and their utter self absorption. They both have made public a huge amount of extremely personal information...repeatedly. They've urged folks to read that info and have used multiple social media to ensure the maximum amount of exposure.

But....only on their terms, apparently. Dissenters are disappeared. Only supporters are acknowledged...everyone else is a hater or an ignorant risk averse dunce jealous of others " living the dream." Barf.

It is their complete inability to accept responsibility for their own bad decisions and their denial of any legimate criticism that makes me truly concerned for their children. In their own minds I'm sure they believe they are excellent parents. For their children's sake I hope someone other than Charlotte's enabling sister is keeping watch over what happens next for those babies.
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EXCELLENT POST !!!:loveyou:
 
Years ago one of my closest friends was a 20 something old guy who built boats and who dreamt of sailing around the world. Then he got married. Which changed nothing for him because his wife was willing to work a job she hated so he could keep building boats and not contribute a dime to the household. A few years later they had a baby boy. His birth changed my friend profoundly. He grew up. He willingly and joyfully placed his child's interests and his family's needs before his own dreams.....until his child grows up.

That maturity is one large part of what seems to have eluded Eric. As for Charlotte. In her few posts since returning there is an expression of gratitude for the $600,000 plus rescue, but nothing about how happy she is that her children are alive and well.

In her shoes I would be on my hands and knees thanking God that my kids were OK and feeling incredibly grateful I had lost only possessions, not lives.

About the very last thing I can imagine doing is complaining on a public blog that my dream had been crushed and that folks were being mean to me.

The posts by both of them now don't surprise.....but they sure do disgust. Hope ThisAmericanLife is flooded by callers who feel the same way.
 
FYI...Eric posts on the cruisers forum that the maritime world needs to fully understand what went wrong and to learn from the experience. Not him.....the maritime world needs the education.

Sadly that education is too complex to relate online...because his every thought must be dissected. So Eric says they write a book and anyone who really wants to be educated will buy it.

Barf bags available for free...
 
I have not followed this from the beginning here but instead of them keeping the money donated to them they should give it towards the cost of rescuing them. IMO They were very irresponsible and they should have to pay back all costs of the rescue.
 
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So whatever this baby had back in late March, before they set sail, she still has.
Her symptoms are almost gone--wonder what that means?snip>
 
I'm glad to hear she is improving, hopefully she'll completely recover from whatever is wrong.

Morag said:
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So whatever this baby had back in late March, before they set sail, she still has.
Her symptoms are almost gone--wonder what that means?
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