Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[katydid23]

Do we know how the Bishop felt about TA/his personal life? They might bring that up, hoping he shared the same opinion as the Hughes.

I am not sure how strict the 'cross examination' regulations are in Az. In Calif, you are not allowed to bring up anything in cross, that was not discussed in direct. I don't think Juan asked the Bishop anything about TA"s personal life. I think he did so on purpose.

 

[MeeBee]

BBM

I am so curious how Nurmi is going to try and have a go at him. Juan never even brought up the 'couch scuffle'--so I am not sure if Nurmi can even ask about that. But maybe he can because Juan had the affidavit up on the screen, I believe. So IDK.

I imagine Nurmi will say " You have told us that TA only lived with you during these 2 months, etc .....DO U HAVE ANY PROOF of that?"

I am also wondering if Nurmi might go after the Bishops son a bit ?

Cross examination is not limited to what is asked on direct. Nurmi can ask about anything he wants.

 

[geevee]

They are both death-penalty qualified. But there are two levels of qualification: lead counsel and co-counsel. I can't remember anymore which one of them is which (as between Nurmi and Wilmott). But co-counsel qualification is pretty easy to get.

IIRC, JA mentions in her letter to JSS trying to get Nurmi fired that this was Willmott's first captial trial, and I think she mentions that Nurmi is first chair (while whining about how he ignores her because she refused to see him for 5 months and how impossible it is to defend herself with 1st chair behaving in such an egregious manner).

 

[Hope4More]

How obsessed was she, even early early on? Sky says (per Hogan) that JA would follow TA from room to room at the Hughes' house, hide herself nearby to listen if TA left the room to talk on his phone, and.......wait outside the bathroom door (!) whenever he went in, then run away when she heard him coming out. This was in late 2006, early 2007.

 

[atthelake]

Posted by daisymae

Jodi Arias: Beyond the Headlines is coming on Lifetime tonight. Check your listings for the times.

"The Blue Eyed Butcher" is on in a few minutes. The Susan Wright story.

Brought this over from the sidebar section

Watching that right now. I had forgotten this is the case where the DA took the bed into court, tied someone up to the bed and straddled them IN THE courtroom....

 

[Nali87]

I don't think how the Bishop felt about TA as a person has been mentioned. I would imagine if he thought of TA in a negative way, Juan wouldn't have the Bishop on the stand. JMO

Juan might have thought that the benefits of disproving the child *advertiser censored* allegations were more important than the "cost" of the "bad" things the Bishop could be cross examined about with regards to TA.

 

[krkrjx]

Reading Picture Perfect for the first time.

Remember the DT's insinuation that TA shaved everywhere because he was a pedophile?

Hogan writes of the weekend in fall 2006 when Travis and Lisa were on their way to a group camping weekend. Lisa said he talked and joked a lot about himself on the way. Told her he really hated all body hair, joked about shaving it all, and told her it was about hygiene.

He was fastidious, almost or even OCD about hygiene and cleanliness. Brought extra toothbrushes on that trip for everyone, just in case, and he checked to see if everyone had one. Joking. But he meant it.

(The filth he experienced as a young boy, including having roaches crawl all over him as he slept, explains a lot).

Good stuff there. ^^^

I think this goes along well with what rose222 posted earlier about how TA having been poor in childhood helped him to grow into a very generous, understanding and tolerant adult. I agree with that assessment and doubt Travis would ever judge another person based on what they have or do not have and with that, there is no way the fight he had with JA where he calls her the worst thing to ever happen to him had anything to do with mere finances or material things. That he also told her that what she did (or was doing, or was threatening to do) caused him more pain than his dad's death really speaks volumes. That was one thing that was so personal and so painful that any betrayal that could overshadow it would have to be massive, IMO. Up until that time JA had said or done a number of things that bothered TA, got him worked up, angered him to some degree--but that time her misdeed was the final straw, I'd bet. Whatever it was, it was huge and I just don't believe money, or a car, or most of the other stuff we know about would have elicited the kind of anguish Travis was expressing over that particular JA transgression.

 

[Nali87]

While we don't know for certain, one might presume that they'd be too stupid to raise the issue unless they already know for sure one way or the other -- and unless they really believe they can use it to undermine BVP's credibility, of course.

We ARE talking about KN and JW here. :giggle:
ETA: They interviewed him so they probably do know.

 

[Hope4More]

More context for relationship, obsession and that Xmas tree thing.

Easy to overlook that JA didn't live in Mesa that time she crashed under the Xmas tree. It was Dec 2006. She lived in Palm Desert. She had known Travis for 3 months.

He hadn't even invited her to AZ, much less to his house that weekend. The housefull of folks he had invited were from out of state, there that weekend for a PPL event. She heard about the PPL event on her own, registered to attend, and told Travis she'd stay with "girlfriends" in Mesa, though of course she didn't have any friends there.

So she shows up at his house, introducing herself to everyone as his girlfriend. He denied that to all, saying they had only dsted a few times. Told her to leave. She didn't. THEN she snuck under the tree.

 

[Wing Ding]

I wish there was a third option for the jury or the judge when it came to sentencing: like life in prison but with death row living conditions. I guess that'd be considered inhumane... But then again, the DP is worse.

I wish there were a sentence such as Life In Solitary. Then I wouldn't care if JA got the death penalty or not.

There is not one iota of a shred of anything that justifies what she did. Off with her head!

 

[Nali87]

Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think there's anything bad that the Bishop can say about TA. I think that if there was, KN would have been eager to start cross examination last week.

 

[ICit]

When Travis's body was discovered his Temple garments were in either the washer or the dryer.

I believe Travis was keeping the tenants set by the church to keep from losing his Temple Recommend. One of his roommates told the police that they were Travis's undergarments because he always wore them. He had already lost his Temple Recommend twice and had even penned in his blog about how he was looking for a wife.

There is no way I believe he had sex with her that day. Especially after she had done something so heinous that he called her a sociopath and said that she had hurt him worse than the death of his father. No way he invited someone into his home that had made him feel that way.

IMO JA had been planning Travis's murder for months. She had also been planning to Kill His Life. He was getting ready to expose her for who she really was and she had to stop him before he Killed Her Life.

 

[Nali87]

I wish there were a sentence such as Life In Solitary. Then I wouldn't care if JA got the death penalty or not.

There is not one iota of a shred of anything that justifies what she did. Off with her head!

Yess. That's perfect wording for it. She thrives on attention, isolation would be the just punishment for someone like her.

 

[TexMex]

IIRC, JA mentions in her letter to JSS trying to get Nurmi fired that this was Willmott's first captial trial, and I think she mentions that Nurmi is first chair (while whining about how he ignores her because she refused to see him for 5 months and how impossible it is to defend herself with 1st chair behaving in such an egregious manner).

IIRC Nurmi has had two capital cases prior to Arias

 

[Wing Ding]

I have a feeling Willmott will cross her again and try to best the doctor. That won't work, as she flubbered and flibbered around in the trial. She doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes.

I remember in the first trial Wilmott asked Dr. DeMarte a vague question about something and when Dr. D gave her answer (which apparently wasn't the answer Wilmott was looking for), Wilmott, in her little whiney, shrill, condescending tone said to Dr. D, "oh, you know what's funny? That's not what we're talking about here..." and then re-asks her question. Oh my God how I laughed at that exchange. And I had to laugh, otherwise I would have gone to the local masonry yard to buy a brick to throw it through my tv.

 

[Niner]

late as usual - but JUST in case no one answered your question - this is a quote from JVM's book I'm reading now; and also posting excerpts from the book on the SideBar thread.

Could be about Jodi. Wasn't she baptized in Riverside???

Hardcover book from Page 121: (Okay - I've never read this before - sky's account of what happened after the baptism, which took place at the LDS church in Palm Desert (Jodi's town).

...After the ceremony, the two went back to her house - {now wasn't that a motel in her testiphony?}, began to kiss, and got intimate again.
Sky was at the baptism that day and said it was an awkward ceremony, with not many people in attendance. But, more than that, she doubted Jodi's recollection was accurate. She seemed to recall Travis going back to her house after the ritual, contradicting Jodi's version. Sky note that Jodi's vivid juxtaposition of religious and sexual rites seemed designed to inspire anger against Travis and sympathy for her. Jodi's absurd anecdote wasn't just about anal sex; it was anal sex after a baptism, a sacred ceremony.

 

[rose222]

When Travis's body was discovered his Temple garments were in either the washer or the dryer.

I believe Travis was keeping the tenants set by the church to keep from losing his Temple Recommend. One of his roommates told the police that they were Travis's undergarments because he always wore them. He had already lost his Temple Recommend twice and had even penned in his blog about how he was looking for a wife.

There is no way I believe he had sex with her that day. Especially after she had done something so heinous that he called her a sociopath and said that she had hurt him worse than the death of his father. No way he invited someone into his home that had made him feel that way.

IMO JA had been planning Travis's murder for months. She had also been planning to Kill His Life. He was getting ready to expose her for who she really was and she had to stop him before he Killed Her Life.

Interesting. Do you think that he allowed her to spend the day with him? How did she corner him in the shower?

 

[Wizzy]

Mention of JW and Dr. Horn triggered a very vague memory from the first trial - JW sitting at the DT with barely suppressed excitement anticipating her cross of Dr. Horn during rebuttal/surrebuttal ... when out of nowhere a juror question allowed Dr. Horn to preempt JW's coming attack regarding a "mistake" in his report supporting the DT claim the gun shot didn't extensively damage TA's brain because the "lining"/dura mata (sp) wasn't penetrated. Ring any bells with anyone else? I clearly remember JW deflating like a busted balloon at that juror's astute question.

Dr. Horn's testimony was a turning point for me. I will never forget the look on his face. He knew that his testimony and his report didn't correspond where the Dura Mater Membrane was concerned. His report supported the gun shot could have come first. Dr. Horn then went on to say it was a "Typo" A typo is like, tpyo. JMOO but this wasn't a good explanation. Dr. Horn was a very important witness. He had years to correct a typo. It just left a question in my mind.
When trial started I was for the death penalty. After his testimony I was on the fence.

 

[cricket49]

Watching that right now. I had forgotten this is the case where the DA took the bed into court, tied someone up to the bed and straddled them IN THE courtroom....

Yes she stabbed her abusive husband 193 times and Kelly Siegler was the prosecutor. I think Jodi watched this movie because Susan Wright was in a "fog" too.

 

[geevee]

IIRC Nurmi has had two capital cases prior to Arias

Not a grand amount of experience for either of them in capital cases, eh?