Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[Val1]

Thank you so much I would never have found it

Guess I am wrong about sky speaking about it and it being her brother

But she did go uninvited to Mexico with 3 guys


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[Spool]

Regarding masturbation and Mormon doctrine....

IMO, interesting that women seem to be excluded from this capability, not to mention women watching adult *advertiser censored*. Now I see why JA keeps wanting "masturbation" and "Travis" linked. It's as offensive an event as sex with another person if you're not married, and would likely get you into big trouble with the Bishop. Of course, we don't know how often she was committing the "m" act, either.... Speculation?

The scenario simply indicates that SHE was snoopy, sneaky, and disrespectful of boundaries, barging in unannounced on someone's private moment in his own home. Her story not only lacks credibility, but also tells us she was a trespasser.

 

[Val1]

This goes to my comment about the family. They are privy to more of the evidence then we are. If there was any chance TA and JA did not have sex that day I am positive Juan would be arguing that.

Not necessarily imo. Wasn't the assumption based on those nude shots that they had had sex that day and then things "went wrong", the basis for arresting JA? Iirc they didn't have the dna/print evidence until after the arrest, though I could be wrong. As long as both the DT and the PT didn't dispute it, why upset things... it's just those of us who want ALL the questions answered that would like to know, especially since it would justify our belief that TA would not have fallen for one last tryst with her and go even further to illustrate the depths of JA's anger.

 

[Val1]

She's 5'6, 125 #. She ain't little at all. lol Driver's license: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9ucas3&s=6#.VM3uYykk_zI

I agree, add to that her martial arts training. Oh and possibly her stun gun....

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

It was my impression she never married. Since she's Mormon, I doubt she has kids for that reason. Middle age? Gosh, no. I'm guessing 35. (19 when she went on the mission).

An orthopedic surgeon described me as middle-aged when I was 33

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

I definitely think it's too late. Instead of using this phase to convince the jury how remorseful she is, the murderess spent months trashing the victim, while widening the circle of collateral damage by dragging in innocent, HONEST people.

Anything she tries to say during allocution will only further emphasize that she's a liar and a manipulator, and will likely leave jurors concerned the DP might just be difficult to administer. Not b/c there have been some recent incidents of "botched" executions, but rather the question facing the state will be "how do you kill someone who doesn't have a heart or a soul?"

I'm thinking a botched (but eventually successful) execution would be just desserts for JA.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Genius thought...... We know McGee works with computers, right?

The Bishop said that, right? People who don't know a lot about computers (especially back around 2000) are often quite impressed with anyone who knows more than they do about them and they sometimes assume that the person is a guru. For all we know, MM might have been a security guard at Best Buy.

 

[BritsKate]

Until just now I've always thought the gunshot could have been first, despite the shell casing on top of pooled blood or any other kind of logic or evidence or forensics to suggest otherwise. But I'm now 99.99% sure the gunshot was last and here's why...

#1- she liked knives so she took her rage out on him with what she got off using, and torment him at the same time

#2- she probably wanted to make it look like two people killed Travis, and a gunshot would help do that

#3- even though a gunshot wasn't even necessary after that bloodbath, a shot to the side of the head was probably her final "FU" to him

Just thinking about all that gives me the creeps. C'mon jurors... don't fail us and don't fail the Alexander family.

Ok and #4- because she said it wasn't

She may have been truthful when she told Det. Flores she'd never fired a gun before (save for TA). But she sure had used a knife before, and I think she liked it.

I've always believed knife first too. Forensics aside, think of the psychology behind stabbing the lover you deemed wronged you in the heart. It's intimate, personal, brutal, immensely painful...and he would have seen her do it. I think she thought one stab to the heart and he'd drop - I don't for a moment believe she anticipated just how much it would take to kill him.

JMO

 

[Val1]

Number 3 is a good point. I also remember that there were a lot of pictures that haven't been made public; both parties agreed to leave them out and some of us assume that they show penetration. Det Flores also said very clear to JA "I know you had sex" based on the pictures. I doubt that she was in a closet taking nude pictures of him unaware because of those other more intimate pics and her brown hair color that day.

ETA: Why would she upload sexual pictures on the camera, then delete them( and throw the camera in the washing machine)? Why would she take pics of him in the shower sneakily and delete them?

Because she had actually killed him and at that point had no further use for them other than as trophies to view later on her own camera/sd card, but then realized the pics could tie her to him so deleted them, comes to mind. Iirc, his camera in fact had NO internal memory and from what the testimony was, there were many more pics still on the memory card that hadn't been deleted(only the nudes and murder pics had been deleted and it was only the nudes that were retrieved from unallocated spaces that only had exif data, no camera datestamps because they had all come from thumbprints, unlike the shower/murder pics that had both the exif and the camera datestamps).

As for why take them at all... until then she may have had some deluded reason like hey, he'll step out of the shower when he sees me, drop to his knees and beg me to come to Cancun and marry him there.... then we can look back on the pics in the privacy of our marriage bed as the beginning of our "eternal" life together.(Harlequin romance style...) Or maybe she just likes taking pics of people when she knows they won't like it.

Honestly, the only one that really knows why is JA.

What I'd like to know is if TA had been on board with the pics, why iirc was the new camera box in his office, the new camera case almost hidden beside the love sac in the loft, the pics were obviously taken in the bedroom and the bathroom and then the camera ended up downstairs again in the washing machine.

Surely they would have at the least closed themselves in the bedroom to figure out how to do all the camera stuff, unless JA had simply snuck in and hidden(garage, closet, attic, take your pick) while TA was cleaning early that day, then seeing the camera box in the office had grabbed the camera case, left the bag in the loft so she could sneak into the bedroom/closet/bathroom with just her dark clothing/hair/gun/knife and small camera with as little noise and visibility as possible.

As for deleting the pics, just remember, she was "multi-tasking" at that point. Trying to remove dna/prints, clean herself up, control Naps, laundry, probably had one of those tv dinners while uploading the pics to mail to her new account(the new one she mentioned with the google password msg) then perhaps not knowing how to delete quickly on TA's new camera and not sure how long she had until someone came home, figured hey I'll just break the camera so noone can check anything, then toss it all in the wash with bleach, just in case.

 

[salberg7]

I thought her family would testify this time and was somewhat surprised when they didn't. Not her parents, per se, but her sister and brother. If I were on the jury, that would speak volumes to me. Not one person from her past could speak to past behavior or vouch for her character. Of course, to me she has no redeeming factors - goes to show what kind of person she is and her total selfishness and disregard for everyone except herself.
I too vacillate between whether the gunshot was first or last. A case can be made for either without diminishing the brutality and cruelty of the massacre. CMJA did state in her interviews and writings that Travis was "on all fours holding his head". Initially I thought she provided distraction with the running water and then the flash from the camera and then stabbed him in the chest, tearing his pulmonary artery, but can entertain the gunshot first theory as a possibility. Either way, it doesn't discount the cruelty.
The letter to the family "sealed the deal" for me to justify her getting the death penalty. I just hope the jury agrees, although I still think she will not get the DP. And I say this because it was her first offense, etc, and I think she will have a few holdouts on this jury that empathize with her & the complex relationship she & Travis had, & those jurors will feel sorry for her. Just my opinion.

 

[Val1]

And of course, there just had to be 6 of the 8 of her naked. Interesting that there were none of actual sex acts, because IIRC, didn't Flores tell CMJA that "he had proof they had sex that day?" Those aren't proof of sex IMO.

Exactly my point, especially when it's obvious that the nude pics(no camera date stamps, only exif data that can be altered after the fact) and the shower/murder pics(with camera date stamps that can only be manipulated before the pics are taken and exif data that corroborate the date stamps) had more than being the only deleted pics differentiating them. What I want to know is what time did the camera show when taken into evidence, unfortunately it appears from the testimony, by the time they inspected it the batteries were already dead.

 

[Val1]

I thought her family would testify this time and was somewhat surprised when they didn't. Not her parents, per se, but her sister and brother. If I were on the jury, that would speak volumes to me. Not one person from her past could speak to past behavior or vouch for her character. Of course, to me she has no redeeming factors - goes to show what kind of person she is and her total selfishness and disregard for everyone except herself.
I too vacillate between whether the gunshot was first or last. A case can be made for either without diminishing the brutality and cruelty of the massacre. CMJA did state in her interviews and writings that Travis was "on all fours holding his head". Initially I thought she provided distraction with the running water and then the flash from the camera and then stabbed him in the chest, tearing his pulmonary artery, but can entertain the gunshot first theory as a possibility. Either way, it doesn't discount the cruelty.
The letter to the family "sealed the deal" for me to justify her getting the death penalty. I just hope the jury agrees, although I still think she will not get the DP. And I say this because it was her first offense, etc, and I think she will have a few holdouts on this jury that empathize with her & the complex relationship she & Travis had, & those jurors will feel sorry for her. Just my opinion.

BBM - I would think these injuries could easily account for that...

 

[Hope4More]

Its "kind of" being retried. LOL

You may already know this. We are actually in just a repeat of just the "Sentencing Phase" because only the sentencing phase was the part the original jury could not come to a decision on. The original GUILTY verdict still stands and that part is not being done over.

With that said, the defense team is practically re-hashing the whole case over again even though they are supposed to just be telling the jury why they should give JA life sentence versus a death sentence.

(snark alert)


Different explanation. This time around the DT tried to prove that Travis is guilty of causing his own murder. The State is now putting on mitigation witnesses to explain it wasn't his fault.

The "mitigation" phase relating to the actual convicted murderer hasn't begun yet, but we may hear about her and that in closing arguments. Or not.

 

[Ransom]

Exactly my point, especially when it's obvious that the nude pics(no camera date stamps, only exif data that can be altered after the fact) and the shower/murder pics(with camera date stamps that can only be manipulated before the pics are taken and exif data that corroborate the date stamps) had more than being the only deleted pics differentiating them. What I want to know is what time did the camera show when taken into evidence, unfortunately it appears from the testimony, by the time they inspected it the batteries were already dead.

There were timestamps on the nude photos.

 

[Ransom]

Different explanation. This time around the DT tried to prove that Travis is guilty of causing his own murder. The State is now putting on mitigation witnesses to explain it wasn't his fault.

The "mitigation" phase relating to the actual convicted murderer hasn't begun yet, but we may hear about her and that in closing arguments. Or not.

The DEFENSE has rested for their part of mitigation.

 

[bsk]

I thought her family would testify this time and was somewhat surprised when they didn't. Not her parents, per se, but her sister and brother. If I were on the jury, that would speak volumes to me. Not one person from her past could speak to past behavior or vouch for her character. Of course, to me she has no redeeming factors - goes to show what kind of person she is and her total selfishness and disregard for everyone except herself.
I too vacillate between whether the gunshot was first or last. A case can be made for either without diminishing the brutality and cruelty of the massacre. CMJA did state in her interviews and writings that Travis was "on all fours holding his head". Initially I thought she provided distraction with the running water and then the flash from the camera and then stabbed him in the chest, tearing his pulmonary artery, but can entertain the gunshot first theory as a possibility. Either way, it doesn't discount the cruelty.
The letter to the family "sealed the deal" for me to justify her getting the death penalty. I just hope the jury agrees, although I still think she will not get the DP. And I say this because it was her first offense, etc, and I think she will have a few holdouts on this jury that empathize with her & the complex relationship she & Travis had, & those jurors will feel sorry for her. Just my opinion.

They'll probably roll them in for her allocution. "My dad's been too sick to come every day like my mom, but you don't want one of a dying man's last thoughts to be watching his daughter get sentenced to death do you?"

 

[RickshawFan]

When reading this motion that JA filed in October 2013 to remove kirk nurmi, she talks in it about Nurmi not being nice to her when she freaked out in response to her DT deciding to play the sex tape in open court. Remember back to the day they went into chambers and all of sudden court was cancelled? it wasn't a migraine, it was her flipping out about the upcoming sex tape. This motion she wrote is pretty informative about some things. If you have time, read it.

Jodi Arias letter.pdf (not sure if this is going to be a link...but I tried)http://www.businessinsider.com/jodi-arias-wants-to-fire-kirk-nurmi-2013-10

Lies, lies, ies.......JA's freak-out had to have been faked. She luuuuurved that the sex tape was played. She luuuuuuurved it over and over again. IIRC, she was in the middle of being crossed by JM at the time she went berserk: what's not to freak out about?

 

[cindymac]

BBM~ IDK, Jodi took it while she was cleaning up?

Or alternatively, there was no second shot, and what appears to be a chip in the tile was caused by something else, who knows when. If it is in fact a chip.

 

[RickshawFan]

I had brought up an example earlier of how the casing could end up in the blood the way it did and also the shot still coming first.

During the 1st trial, I remember some of us describing another way it could have happened with the shot coming first and the shell casing still ending up that way.
You reminded me about it regarding the old gun with such a small caliber.

A small caliber .25 automatic can sometimes be prone to jam for a couple different reasons.
1-Like you mentioned since the gun was an older gun and if it had not been cleaned and oiled then it may have been prone to jam. OR
2-if JA bought ammo for it that was "regular" grain gunpowder and not like a "high magnum" gunpowder it would be more prone to jam. You can buy ammo with varying amounts of gunpowder and the less gunpowder then the more chance an automatic will be prone to jam. Because an automatic needs the blast of the shell to automatically *advertiser censored* back the action. I have a .22 automatic handgun that jams unless I buy a certain type of ammo for it. Once I get this certain ammo, it works fine. Im not sure if JA found shells when she stole the gun but if JA had to buy shells, then she may have just bought typical regular shells with basic amount of gunpowder and it may have jammed on the 1st shot.

Back to shell casing in blood.
So if JA shot him first, and the gun jammed and she could not fire another round, then TA may have stumbled out of the shower and JA drops the gun to run the other way. She then retrieves another weapon (Knife) and begins to finish him off. Then after all is over, she picks up gun and works the action to free the jammed shell casing which could have still been stuck in gun (Ive had this happen before) and it flies onto the floor in the pool of blood.

There could have been a shot both before and after the stabbings, but the gun jammed the first time.....

 

[Hope4More]

I've always believed knife first too. Forensics aside, think of the psychology behind stabbing the lover you deemed wronged you in the heart. It's intimate, personal, brutal, immensely painful...and he would have seen her do it. I think she thought one stab to the heart and he'd drop - I don't for a moment believe she anticipated just how much it would take to kill him.

JMO

The timeline ---how few minutes it took to slaughter Travis--indicate she must have had both the gun and the knife on her as she took the shower pics.

She had both because she always intended to use both. Why both? If she just wanted him dead she would have only had the gun. Wait till his back was turned in the shower and fire. No need for a knife.

She had the knife because she intended to use it to make him suffer as she killed him. But why the gun, if she meant to kill him with the knife?

IMO she used the gun first to control and taunt him. Especially after learning how OCD he was about hygiene and cleanliness, I don't believe he sat down in the shower willingly. I think she pulled out the gun and ordered him to sit. That gave her the physical AND psychological advantage.

He'd have been looking at the gun..but instead of pulling the trigger she threw the camera down (he would have instinctively looked?) then gun, pulled the knife out and stabbed him.

Gunshot last, after she knew he was dead, because she hadn't finished hating him yet. Still hasn't.