Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[bsk]

I saw some pics that didn't have timestamps... they were online so you could see the whole pic, unlike what got quickly flashed during the trial. I suppose the ones online may have been tampered with too.

However, my whole point to this and query, is IF JA had put her memory card/stick in TA's new(when did he get it) camera(she had said somewhere previously that she also had an older Sony camera, iirc), with their "photo shoot" pics still on it that may or may not have had dates already stamped on them from March/April/whatever and then she started shooting shower pics(for her own photo albums) using those nifty infra red, noise reduction and 15x Zoom features, would whatever had been on her memory stick then be added to TA's camera's built in memory with the same date as the shower pics, since to the camera's built in memory they were all new, right?

BBM - I suspect the camera's memory wouldn't hold anything other than the general camera settings. On my old Nikon from a similar timeframe you can't take a picture without a memory card loaded AFAIK.

 

[geevee]

That type of raw extracted data cannot lie. JMO I can appreciate its hard to believe because of the hair and rawness, but every photo looks different depending on the lighting.

When do you think those pics were taken?

In March or April, whenever they had the pop rocks and tootsie pop party, the lighting is very bad and staring at the subject matter to discern particulars is worse but I swear it looks like there's a sucker stick in one of the up-close-and-personal pics. Aside from that, I think her hair looks much more like it did in the March photos and much less like it does in the selfies taken on June 3rd.

While I agree he may still have slept with her on the 4th regardless of his anger at her from 5/26 onward, I don't believe any of her story of how the morning/afternoon of the 4th went, and I don't think it looks like he's posing in the shower pics, she may not have been a fab photographer but the angles are all wrong, the carelessness with lighting, blur, etc. make me think he didn't know some were being taken. I may be totally wrong but it's my gut feeling.

 

[LinasK]

Curious, can you give the post number instead of page number? Some of us have different page settings (mine is 100 posts per page).

Yup! I changed mine to 200 posts/page. Now I have far less pages to scroll through...

 

[bsk]

The spide underwear was such a desperate ploy during the guilt phase of the trial. Now we know that JA wanted to wear it as part of a sexual fantasy costume. So many red herrings!

When it comes to Bill and Sandy Arias, though, I refuse to judge or condemn them. (Not that you suggested that.) My heart goes out to them. I cannot imagine what they must be going through. Their whole culture has changed; now they're involved with the jail/prison/convict culture and scammers who want to befriend them and offer "advice." They must be being pulled in many different directions.

I might feel sorry for them if mommy and auntie hadn't acted like such jerks during the trial.

 

[Meemaw12]

Yeah, but depending on the reporter, Jean Casares has spun jury reactions to say they are favoring the defense when they really aren't.

Oh Gosh I remember her doing that. Strange reporter IMO.

 

[Steve44]

Does anyone want to hear more analysis of her psychopathy? It's from her father's interrogation interview. It's a subtle point, but very telling imo. I'm not sure how I'll express it but I'll make the effort if there's any interest.

The Event

A turning point occurred in her relationship with her parents when she was 14, in 8th grade. She was caught growing Marijuana on the roof and her parents searched her room. From that moment on, she never trusted them, and she was never honest with them again. She was convinced they would always snoop through her things, and they were perceived, from that moment on, as the enemy of her privacy. Even years and years later, after she had moved in with Daryl, she refused to let them come stay with her at the house because she believed they would continue to snoop through her things. The intensity of that one experience had not diminished whatsoever, it was still real and living in her mind.

The Analysis

Most of us have gone through similar experiences with our parents while growing up, but our response is quite different. We may be upset in the moment, be angry and feel violated, but we get over it. The reason is because we can attenuate a single such experience by many others in which we are loved and respected. We can also get out of our own head and understand the situation from our parent's point of view, at least eventually. Jodi Arias is incapable of such 'mental gymnastics'. Her mental world consists of herself, alone. She is incapable of assimilating the experiences of others into her own, and using that to modify her world-view. Only what happens to her is real, and there is no outside, indirect, social influence that can modify it. Her experiences are like footprints in freshly fallen snow in a barren, isolated place. They are free of outside influence, brought in by the normal person through empathy and the identification with other points of view. Her experiences are indelible marks that remain, and maintain there influence and intensity because to her there is nothing 'real' outside of herself that can change or modify them.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Here is a link to the interrogation tapes (transcribed).





http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-the-Interrogation-Videos-of-Jodi-Arias/page2

 

[Tuba]

Re: final usage of Travis' computer, that was at 4:54 pm. The last email axn had been at 4:19 pm. Ref. June 4, 2008.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

The Event

A turning point occurred in her relationship with her parents when she was 14, in 8th grade. She was caught growing Marijuana on the roof and her parents searched her room. From that moment on, she never trusted them, and she was never honest with them again. She was convinced they would always snoop through her things, and they were perceived, from that moment on, as the enemy of her privacy. Even years and years later, after she had moved in with Daryl, she refused to let them come stay with her at the house because she believed they would continue to snoop through her things. The intensity of that one experience had not diminished whatsoever, it was still real and living in her mind.

The Analysis

Most of us have gone through similar experiences with our parents while growing up, but our response is quite different. We may be upset in the moment, be angry and feel violated, but we get over it. The reason is because we can attenuate a single such experience by many others in which we are loved and respected. We can also get out of our own head and understand the situation from our parent's point of view, at least eventually. Jodi Arias is incapable of such 'mental gymnastics'. Her mental world consists of herself, alone. She is incapable of assimilating the experiences of others into her own, and using that to modify her world-view. Only what happens to her is real, and there is no outside, indirect, social influence that can modify it. Her experiences are like footprints in freshly fallen snow in a barren, isolated place. They are free of outside influence, brought in by the normal person through empathy and the identification with other points of view. Her experiences are indelible marks that remain and maintain there influence and intensity because to her there is nothing 'real' outside that can change or modify them.

Very good analysis.

 

[LinasK]

The pedophilia smear was a time consuming flop but Arias refuses to relinquish this. Does she think she will be seen as a champion for the protection of children, if she can just make her allegation stick? That it will be known she "did the world a favor"? That anyone will believe that was her motive in the murder? She seems unaware of the legal truism that a defendant's analysis of why he or she did the act, in a crime of intent, may be seen as self-serving. Judge & jury might more likely conclude that, if they have perceived egocentric behavior in her personal history or in court. Another facet of these pedophilia explorations is the shock value, the sensational power when presented. We long ago figured she elected this as her favored stratagem for this exact dramatic effect, not because she believed the slander she was applying to her victim.

Even though her slander of Travis fails to mitigate or defend her actions, B is scheduled to return to reinforce it. If he does, our prosecutor will make short work of him. What next, Arias? Are we moving over to the plaint that you & your witnesses are in fear of death threats? The higher court finds no purpose in hiding testimony since both content & identity come to light after the fact and does find for David Bodney that you are violating the 1st & 6th Amendments in secreting yourself. The peril involved in facing the death penalty is not more dangerous, not more threatening because we know who you are and what you have to say. One of the important principles of due process is its public nature. That protects you, Miss Arias as it also serves and informs the People of the State of Arizona who have charged you with this crime of aggravated, premeditated murder.

She needs to know that even if it were true her allegations about Travis, vigilantism hasn't been legal in probably 200 years!

 

[bsk]

In March or April, whenever they had the pop rocks and tootsie pop party, the lighting is very bad and staring at the subject matter to discern particulars is worse but I swear it looks like there's a sucker stick in one of the up-close-and-personal pics. Aside from that, I think her hair looks much more like it did in the March photos and much less like it does in the selfies taken on June 3rd.

While I agree he may still have slept with her on the 4th regardless of his anger at her from 5/26 onward, I don't believe any of her story of how the morning/afternoon of the 4th went, and I don't think it looks like he's posing in the shower pics, she may not have been a fab photographer but the angles are all wrong, the carelessness with lighting, blur, etc. make me think he didn't know some were being taken. I may be totally wrong but it's my gut feeling.

TMI! TMI! :noooo: :sick: :ignore: :hills:

 

[Meemaw12]

I don't know about the pictures, they were probably taken that day but I tell ya. I am surprised the dang camera didn't break when taking the pics of her. My goodness, I have never seen anything like that in my life. I know I am old and not hip but man oh man.

I mean if you were going to have a picture taken of your body wouldn't you want to at least look sexy, happy, some emotion? I can't imagine anyone allowing or taking pics like that.

IF TA was part of this I can't imagine where in the heck his head was at. I know she was going to kill him that day, but did she tell him, wow Travis you can take my pics to Cancun and think of me. Good golly it's enough to make you throw up your dinner.

All IMO of course

 

[Caylee Advocate]

snipped for relevance:

What? No she wasn't. LINK to this please...

See my post above with links, her sister did go to rehab, but it doesn't say out of the country I think the way it was posted was maybe just a typo??????

 

[LinasK]

I agree there was never the possibility of her giving Flores what he wanted: a confession and explanation. She was fully in control the entire time, because she was completely un-intimidated. Everything that he said to her, she just used to try to get something of what she wanted. When he brought up the pictures, most people would think "uh oh, the jig is up." She thought, "ok, let me see them." When he brought up all the suspicion in the community directed towards her, she simply made assertions to the contrary, as if her opinion could outweigh that of any number of others. Bringing up the gun was a distraction, in that anything that she said or volunteered would have been a distraction, since she had no intention of giving him anything of what he wanted. Still, I think the gun reference was unique because it's the first time she brought something new into the conversation. She was there to be interviewed, to answer questions, and Flores introduced every subject and steered the conversation throughout except the gun reference, so, there has to be a deeper message there than mere distraction. Bringing up guns, devices designed for the purpose of killing, is no mere distraction. It's an intentional step deeper into the territory through which he was leading her, and in which he hoped she would find relief via confession and explanation. Her bringing up guns was an attempt by her to show him that she was anything but intimidated and on the verge of confession, she was self-possessed and comfortable, and anything but in his control.

BBM. You know, I think you're right, you're onto something... OT, but the example fits- when I had to take my proficiency test in French in college, we were assigned an article to discuss with our professor. If you could discuss the article fluently, you would gain your proficiency. I was advised by someone and it worked, to take the professor off-topic from the article. (I probably didn't know the article well-enough anyhow), but I demonstrated comfortability with the language and distracted him and proficiency in conversation.

 

[cindymac]

Ummm.... they all had time stamps. What was "shown online" was cut off from the bottom of the picture. Time stamps were always there. JMO

Not all the photos had time stamps. Some were retrieved from unallocated clusters, and the time/date info was severed from the photos.

 

[Ransom]

Don't know about Arizona, but California has always required front & rear plates. You will be ticketed if you don't.

AZ requires ONLY one license plate. As does my state, NM. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2013/10/how-many-states-require-front-license-plates.html

 

[LinasK]

to deal with somone like JA. Not that anyone would be, but TA less than most. Although he had suffered abuse as a child, as an adult he seems to have been surrounded by wonderful, caring, morally "straight" people. I think of his friends who have testified and been interviewed. All of the women seem like terrific, honest, forthcoming people who address issues head on and not through manipulation, subterfuge etc. IMO, JA intentionally infiltrated this LDS community. TA was used to believing people were who they said they were and that his circle had shared values. I'm not sure he even knew people like JA existed. I mean, compare JA to the other women in his life who have come forward.

I don't think we can even imagine what she had put him through by the end. And he knew he had done things with her he wouldn't normally have done. And I'm sure she tortured him with it. And she has continued to do it all these years after she physically killed him. Torturing his family and friends. Broadcasting to the world horrible lies about pedophila and abuse and deviant behavior.

My husband & I have rather eclectic taste in movies and often use movie quotes (which the other person must identify by movie and character) with each other. JA always reminds me of this quote from the Terminator:



Only JA is worse as she doesn't even stop when her victim is dead.

Yep! These people didn't know what real sociopathic abuse or mistreatment in a relationship really was- they took it to mean lack of commitment, as in not ready to marry the next woman that comes along.

 

[LinasK]

She must have thought it would be believable. "Well, see, everyone who knows me eventually chokes me to unconsciousness."

Hey, another comparison to Casey Anthony and her parent- Cindy choked her too. And gas cans, and diaries, oh my!!!

 

[Steve44]

Mythbusters did a segment on disguising license plates...

I saw that. They drove a car past a traffic camera at 200mph and the picture still came out clear as day. I'll have to try it myself sometime though, just to be sure.

 

[LinasK]

That went out the window during Nurmi" closing argument. He said maybe she just snapped.

Snapped with all the premeditation??? That's laughable. So she drives 1,000 miles with an inconspicuous rental car and dyed hair and gas cans and a gun and knife, just to let him live after sex if he'd only take her to Cancun??? I doubt it!:snooty: