Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing - Part 2

[Colie]

I think Jodi was trying to get rid of Nurmi again

10/20/2014 SDO - Order to Seal Documents - Party (001) 10/30/2014
NOTE: MOTION TO CHANGE COUNSEL (FILED UNDER SEAL EX PARTE) FILED BY DEFENDANT PRO SE

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Just to be clear. She downlplays it during the interview and only admits that she kicked the dog and then the dog disappeared after that.

But putting 2+2 = 4, and knowing how she also downplayed the stabbing of Travis, it seems pretty obvious the kicking episode was most likely much worse than she made it out to be.
And the odds of the dog disappearing right after that indicates to me at least that she most likely killed the dog that day.

Jodi shows another embarrassing peek at her family. She says that her family didn't/doesn't know how to take care of pets properly, and Doggyboy was chained outdoors. He tore open trash that had Joey and Angela's dirty diapers and Jodi had to pick them up out of the yard. She said he moved a few feet when she kicked him. That would be a hard kick wouldn't it? of course we don't know if what size Doggyboy was. Jodi said she took Karate lessons, and admitted to kicking in walls (but she didn't use those skills she learned to fend off and disable Travis that day) and her mother, so it could of been a powerful kick. I think Doggyboy was found dead and they knew Jodi had killed him. May not of been her first time to kill a pet.

That would of been around the time Jodi was growing pot on their roof. Sounds like angry rebellious teen.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I thought I read many many threads ago, the she collects $90.00 USD per hour. Anyone remember this? tia

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I think she billed for around ten thousand? so far back a few month ago? and she's till being paid to this date no matter what's she and Jodi are pulling.

n other Jodi Arias updates, her mitigation specialist Maria de la Rosa is under more scrutiny than ever. The Toronto Relationships Examiner recently reported a leaked audio that was released last week from someone in the Jodi Arias camp. The leaked audio was a telephone recording between Jodi Arias and a member of an organization that has been helping Jodi Arias raise funds. We have learned that all documentation regarding that leaked recording has a trail with many fingers pointing back to Maria de la Rosa as a key member involved in that phone call. Examiner.com

I guess Jodi didn't get her message across so she had Bill and Sandy make that extra plea for send more money here.



This was going on mind September. She's being paid by the citizen of Arizona to smuggle out Jodi's drawings and tweet for Jodi. Ain't that nice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6xWv_ebKxgs


I had to edit this. Someone said that the begamercial from Bill and Sandy was made in September? Around this time period of fight between a woman names Lisa? and a man. it might of been George Barfiled? were taking in donations. Same time as the auction for Jodi's glasses, and the donation to St. Judes. And the two men that said Jodi was with them the day Travis was murdered having a three way.

 

[MeeBee]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I've seen the same questions getting asked over and over again and also people saying they asked a question but it was never answered. If you have a legal question AZLawyer is awesome about answering questions on the question and answer thread quickly and that way you don't have to worry that she'll miss it. Other verified lawyers can answer, too.

Also, some of your questions may have already been answered. Here's the thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Question-and-Answer-Thread-*no-discussion*-2

 

[LisaC]

If the dog was chained, how did he just run off when she kicked him?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

The end of January is 11 weeks from now. How is that possible since the State is finished and we are into a week with the defense and they only have 3 witnesses to testify and some written statements? At some point you are going to lose the jury just out of sheer boredom.

I didn't think the State was finished. They just presented all the stuff necessary to inform the jury WHY she should get the DP. I thought the State goes with their penalty phase portion after the defense. Am I wrong? Because the State has to be able to rebut the witnesses that the defense puts up, right?

 

[MeeBee]

If the dog was chained, how did he just run off when she kicked him?

That's a great point.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I don't believe Nurmi. I think he's either playing mind games or he is hoping JSS raises the possibility of extended time to the jury and a few more plead unavailability.

When is Nurmi going to ask JSS to recuse herself? That will be next and it will be for bias. Or she'll do it herself.

 

[Zuri]

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/omnibus-hearing/

Why has a motion for an Omnibus Hearing been filed?

 

[Hatfield]

Another FYI. Kirk Nurmi's peers in the National Trial Attys Association rate him as one of the top 100 trial attys in the entire country.

He's not unaware of case law or anything else. The man has a strategy.

I wonder if that "association" is one of those things you get in the mail where they say "Congratulations, you are listed in this Association of your peers, and you can receive a hardback copy for only $29.99".

I am the proud member of some no-name "Poets Society" and my poem is listed on page 793 of the 1987 hardback copy edition. Basically a pay-to-play organization.

Wonder if Nurmi did the same sort of thing and just joined something so he can list it on his resume. LOL

 

[Lissa]

I didn't think the State was finished. They just presented all the stuff necessary to inform the jury WHY she should get the DP. I thought the State goes with their penalty phase portion after the defense. Am I wrong? Because the State has to be able to rebut the witnesses that the defense puts up, right?

I think you're right. Didn't the state just present evidence to get the jury up to speed on the case in chief? From what I understand, now it's the DT's turn to present their mitigation factors, then the State will present their evidence.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Maybe the chain was around wrapped his neck?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I think you're right. Didn't the state just present evidence to get the jury up to speed on the case in chief? From what I understand, now it's the DT's turn to present their mitigation factors, then the State will present their rebuttal evidence.

That was my understanding

 

[Hatfield]

I think she billed for around ten thousand? so far back a few month ago? and she's till being paid to this date no matter what's she and Jodi are pulling.

n other Jodi Arias updates, her mitigation specialist Maria de la Rosa is under more scrutiny than ever. The Toronto Relationships Examiner recently reported a leaked audio that was released last week from someone in the Jodi Arias camp. The leaked audio was a telephone recording between Jodi Arias and a member of an organization that has been helping Jodi Arias raise funds. We have learned that all documentation regarding that leaked recording has a trail with many fingers pointing back to Maria de la Rosa as a key member involved in that phone call. Examiner.com

I guess Jodi didn't get her message across so she had Bill and Sandy make that extra plea for send more money here.



This was going on mind September. She's being paid by the citizen of Arizona to smuggle out Jodi's drawings and tweet for Jodi. Ain't that nice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6xWv_ebKxgs

That is another good point that is being brought up here.

Shouldn't this person be unbias as far as guilt VS innocence of the defendent?

And shouldnt this person not be helping the defendent do personal things on the side that have nothing to do with her job role?

Instead of just doing her job (whatever the role is supposed to be), it seems she has become just another fan of a notorias killer. What is it with people that seem to want to be fans of killers.

 

[Zuri]

That is another good point that is being brought up here.

Shouldn't this person be unbias as far as guilt VS innocence of the defendent?

And shouldnt this person not be helping the defendent do personal things on the side that have nothing to do with her job role?

Instead of just doing her job (whatever the role is supposed to be), it seems she has become just another fan of a notorias killer. What is it with people that seem to want to be fans of killers.

It seems as though MDLR has crossed the line between being professional and being a friend with CMJA.

 

[daisydomino]

The end of January is 11 weeks from now. How is that possible since the State is finished and we are into a week with the defense and they only have 3 witnesses to testify and some written statements? At some point you are going to lose the jury just out of sheer boredom.

How long did the penalty phase go on last time? Nurmi spoke. Juan spoke. VIS statements. There was a closed hearing. A witness did not testify. JA gave her power point presentation. The judge gave some instructions. The jury deliberated, passed some notes back and forth with JSS, deliberated more, for a total of about 14 hours and deadlocked. May 16 to May 23.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Another FYI. Kirk Nurmi's peers in the National Trial Attys Association rate him as one of the top 100 trial attys in the entire country.

He's not unaware of case law or anything else. The man has a strategy.

I think this is an organization that Attorneys can join. They have to pay a fee. This is not saying he is the cream of the crop. It reminds me of The National Honor society for my kids in HS. I could pay a fee for them to be in some book that no one will ever look at. BTW where did you find the judge's record. I would be interested in looking at that myself.

 

[bznbear]

I'm generally okay with the judge not threatening nurmi with contempt, in open court. He would have on the record, on audio tape, on video (not to mention photocopied tweets, photocopied entries from numerous online blogs, comprehensive list of every single print or television media that mentioned Arias in any way) to then use on one if his many "I don't like your decision so I'm taking it to a higher court, so there", complete with a dozen 10 page motions addressing not just the issue at hand but including EVERY SINGLE gripe he has had since before he was even on the defense team, rehashing everything ad nauseum.

I so agree with you that she has not, in my opinion and from my completely non legal background, used her authority to control him. He has been an insistent bull charging to the sidebar, head down ready to ram his words down the judge's throat. He's been a bully to the court and to Martinez. He's mocked state witnesses, actually laughing at them (Dr. DeMarte comes instantly to mind).

He's (and I include Wilmott in this, just as much) have made egregious accusations against Travis, with absolutely no corroboration except that from his lying client. And as I've said often, I will never, ever, ever believe that he and Wilmott believe the garbage they are spewing for their client. Although I have had derogatory remarks and even worse thoughts about that team, I do not believe they are stupid, and one would have to be stupid to fall for Arias' web of malicious, every changing, laughably outrageous detailed account: her turning her head SW while her body faced north, 17 inches from the bathtub, while lunged upon with her left arm at a 64 degree angle, her right arm extended elbow bent 11 inches above her head while making a 3/4 westerly rotation of her lower body, with all of Travis' weight on her, but with miraculous speed and agile manipulation (although she wasn't "thinking" at that point, just reacting to this nightmarish and death defying danger)...... and ludicrous, made up detail after ridiculous detail.......I don't believe Nurmi/Willmott believe her garbage, despicable stories, yet they perpetuate them every freaking day, as often as possible, uttering every salacious word, every sex act, every stinking lie.

As much as I have screamed at my TV/computer at the defense, and at the judge for " allowing" the flying manure feet, I have come to understand that unless the state objects, the judge isn't going to say anything. However, she could in my opinion, use forceful words and recommendations to control his obnoxious recitation. I don't need to give any of the thousands of examples where the defense has acted, in court, like recalcitrant children. Why hasn't the judge admonished any of it: the uninvited races to the sidebar, the open arguing with the judge's rulings, the bizarre and uncooperative (not to mention blatantly dishonest) witness testimony. Surely this judge could exert control, without the state having to ask for it, and such control that might just tick Nurmi/Willmott off........but grow the heck up!

I've never had a job where I was the sole person responsible for my actions, my words, my decisions, my relationships and attitudes. Thankfully I've not had to be admonished for much, but that's only because I am exemplary (OH GOODNESS, THAT WAS HILARIOUS TO WRITE!!!). I have been told I should pursue another direction, try another tactic, spiff up my knowledge and attend workshops and seminars. During all my years as a teacher, the staff was almost always encouraging, helpful, realistic in goals. But every teacher had to, out of not just respect but out of wanting to keep the atmosphere friendly and productive, give special consideration to ALL support staff because we could only do our job well with their help. Then there were the bosses. A whole different story, learning early on that to be successful you have to choose your battles and always, always, always be on your best behavior when supervisors were around. I look at the courtroom similarly, although perhaps that's not judicially correct. To me, JSS is the courtroom boss. She has the right, the duty and the responsibility to uphold the law, all the time, and to expect counsel to do the same, all the time.

Someone posted many pages ago when we were discussing who was more at fault, the judge who IMO is woefully falling down on the judge duties, or Nurmi and team for using her to their advantage. The point was made that if a classroom is out of control, you can't blame the students. Yes they may be obnoxious, they may be 6' tall bullies, they may have no parental support, they may be mentally or physically challenged. But that's where the teacher comes in, the one to set the emotional , physical, and educational climate for every single student, to show preference for no one despite their needs or poopheadedness. The teacher will have to get stern, will make students mad and worry the rest of the day knowing the 6'5" logger father of the 6' bully will charge in after school and try to intimidate the teacher, threaten to call the principal, the superintendent, and even write a letter to the school board. And to that dad I listened, as calmly as possible explained my position (that stealing a 3rd graders crutches, throwing them out the window, slapping that child on the back of the head hard enough to cause him to fall, calling him unimaginable cruel names, before refusing to leave the building during a fire drill, calling me names I had not heard before) ......and then handed him the business card for all district personnel and told him to feel free to contact anyone and would you like to use my phone right now?

The boss, in my case other school personnel, has a job to insure each employee works their hardest, within the scope of all the laws, federal and state, school district policies, adheres to mandated curriculum, maintains a standard of professional conduct at all times that will bring swift recourse should this not be followed. The boss in the courtroom, IMO, is the judge. She has the right to insist on courtroom decorum, one immediate fault I have observed, both in the gallery, at the defense table, and through witness testimony. It is her job, again IMO, to follow judicial law, to make lawful and appropriate decisions and to insist and expect the same from the attorneys. Her flip-flopping indecision is startling. Her obvious and oft used cone of silence/secrecy is disturbing on so many levels. Although a good teacher adapts her teaching to the needs of all students, providing additional instruction and practice to students needing that, it doesn't mean she tells the rest of the class, all the support personnel and parents waiting for their kids to go out in the hall and wait. She learns how to do it all! PFFFFFT on the judge for giving the time management challenged Nurmi DAYS OFF from a trial already terribly bogged down with delays to pen his newest complaint/motion. Pooey on her for believing she can set aside the constitution for any reason at all, regardless of any of the hundred reasons Nurmi had for demanding super secret testimony. Poo poo on her for taking a huge risk losing more jury members by dragging the trial on long past the Christmas holidays, something that if they don't already know officially from the judge they must be getting an inkling of after being given an entire week off after only a few days of testimony. Boo to the judge for not stepping in to even politely admonish combative witnesses. I don't see why it requires Martinez to say something before the judge will intervene. Again, it's her courtroom. A witness in her courtroom is deceptive, refusing to answer, looking to defense counsel for hints and cues. Her courtroom. (The classroom analogy again: when a speaker, professional, amateur, volunteer parent, or school personnel would come to my class, the rules still applied. A student disrespecting or being disruptive was dealt with. I would wait just long enough to see if the speaker wanted to handle it his/her own way without me butting in, but I wouldn't wait long because despite who was speaking to the class the expectations of student behavior ruled. Immediately, swiftly, and fairly. I didn't wait for the speaker to ask me after trying himself a half dozen times to control the class. I spoke up, and firmly.)

So I apologize for the rant, and for the rushed and unedited rambling nature of my rant.

Wow, just wow; bravo!!!!!

 

[Hez]

It seems as though MDLR has crossed the line between being professional and being a friend with CMJA.

Just like Laviolette and Samuels.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I read this as making sure to wipe my car keys........which, as careful as I am about controlling the spread of germs, I had neglected wiping my car keys......which I did just after reading your post!! A second read just now makes a bit more sense......but I would bet I have the cleanest, germ free, disinfected car keys!

Do you use the wipes at some stores to wipe down your cart? Think of all that cart has come into contact with, I wipe down the handle and the seat in case of babies/toddlers, and people that pick their noses, and coughing (not do the vampire cough) and sneezing all over the place. When I get home I wash my hands and put my groceries away, I also add a little bleach to my dishwater (I have never had a dishwasher), but that is all year round. I wipe down doorknobs, the woodwork on the doorjambs, and on light switches once a week with bleach and water in a spray bottle. I wasn't ever that overboard until taking care of my mother in law (Adilia) the last nine months of her life, and trying to keep her form getting anything that would take her down quicker than Alzheimer. was.