Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/10 - Break

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Thanks for your great answer!! I can't really refute it in any way except to say. If all the millions (probably billions nationwide) being spent to obtain the DP were diverted to dealing with prison overcrowding, the problem might be solved. Of course if the powers that be eased up on throwing the book at pot smokers and other non-violent criminals, the prisons might not be so full. LWOP has to be that and Jodi will kill again- ITA.
I believe in JA's case and with all my heart, she will die in prison and much sooner than later. She corrects peoples grammar don't forget :) I hate to see all these resources and energy dedicated to a single convict at the expense of the common good. I hate to see my friends worrying about something we can't control and I hate, hate, hate seeing her ugly face in street clothes feigning innocence in court while she slaughters Travis again 7 years after the fact. Throw her in the cage already.
That said, I'll have a smile from ear to ear if this ends in JM and the Alexanders favor. I do believe the character asassination we've witnessed, especially during this trial, warrants no mercy. 1500 people die of cancer each day in the USA. They should be so lucky as to die the humane death offered by the lethal injection.

OT but I hugged a Mom as her 3 year old died in her arms of brain cancer last night. I'm a mess right now and probably shouldn't be posting but I am. Thanks for listening krkrjx. F*&%^ Jodi Arias :tantrum:
Justice? WTF is that??? I really really don't know anymore.

Every Mothers worst night-mare to loose a child, way too soon. I'm glad you were there to comfort her. Even though I know it broke your heart. Prayers for all.
 
She did not turn off his circuit breakers. That was erroneous information reported by Paul Sanders. T did not find her in the basement near circuit breakers. She was in the street level part of his house then fled.

Ummm......There was testimony that when TA was with Lisa Andrews, JA came in unannounced and turned off all the lights. TA found her downstairs when he went to check.
 
travis didn't deserve to be murdered, period. He deserved to continue his life without ja in it and make the world a better place because he was in it. Travis had done so much good for others in the short years he was here. He should have been able to continue his hopes, dreams, and goals.

And if i had known all of the hideous things she had done, and if travis had been my brother, i would have done everything in my power trying to protect him from this evildoer. I don't think their relationship made her any way other than what she has always been. She always tried to use sex as her tool of manipulation long before she even knew travis. Unfortunately for travis he became the targeted victim she would murder ruthlessly. Why? Imo, because travis had much more potential than any of the other men even though she also tried to get them to go back with her. Travis was the one who could make ja appear in a better light for all to see and to ja everything is shallow and about appearance sake.

She was out of his life. She kept intruding into his personal space. She is the one calling, texting, emailing him constantly using her usual trap of offering kinky sex. She was a 1000 miles away from him. She was the one who called him to set up the sex tape that he had no idea she recorded. So she wasn't in his life. Travis told his friends he was very upset she moved to mesa after their 'breakup' and was relieved to see her go back to yreka. Travis had gone to ca just two weeks before his murder and he did not go to see the murderess and imo he never had any intentions of going. Travis was moving on with his life without ja in it and he was fine with that and relieved she was a 1000 miles away, imo.

None of this is travis' fault. Men have been lured by sexual demons all through history..many of them powerful men and leaders. That is all ja had to offer anyone. Travis tried his best to rid himself of this plague. He told her flat out to leave him alone. He had told her that many times and they would never be married. She knew the drill yet she persisted anyway by hacking into his private spaces, stalking him, and invading every possible avenue in his life.

Her bpd would not sway me to spare her life. Not for one second. It is a disorder that millions have. Most with bpd go through life without ever murdering someone so to give ja this excuse because she has it too is ridiculous imo. Although she has always been highly manipulative, using sex as a tool, and self centered she lived a rather mundane life before meeting travis.

Why should i all of a sudden think that this disorder means something now when she has had it ever since her childhood?

That is why no one has anything good to say about ja. She was this manipulative destructive creature long before she tried to snare travis into her web.

Travis was too good for his own good. He had patience with her at times i am sure no one else could have had. He forgave her for many of the terrible things she did to him over and over again. He tried to help her any way he could. But even travis had finally come to realize how dangerous she was even though travis was known to try to see the good in everyone.

Travis was a victim of domestic homicide. His story of domestic abuse done by ja is no different than the many other tragic stories we have read here. What abusers do is first start with pouring on the charm in order to snare their target and from there they totally consume the life of the victim. Then they begin to show obsessive traits such as stalking, unhealthy jealous rages, and so often, just like travis, when the victim has finally had their fill of the abuse they tell their victimizer they want out of the relationship and to leave them the hell alone.

Once that has been said tragically it is the most dangerous time for a victim and so many times the abuser will murder the victim who has tried to get them out of their lives.

i have no doubt, travis like most victims of dv... Tried to appease ja because he feared what would happen if he did not.

not sure i agree with you regarding lulu. Comment was very lopsided re alv. Not a thing on dr g or dr s, i know dv violence personally and easily can recognize that the one being victimized was not jodi. Travis was the victim from day one, imo. Alv is a paid hack that makes her living trashing men. Well, maybe she does allow a few men in her sphere, but only if they agree with her and promote her career. It's all about the money.

I have no respect for a dv advocate that defends the abuser. Especially, for financial gain. Pathetic.

Travis fell under jodi's spell, recognized her craziness, tried to get out but jodi would not let go.

like he said, "i always take you back."

BBM x 2
 
This is Paul Sanders take on yesterday. He writes from the perspective of a former Juror in the Marissa Davault trial. He goes into more specifics of the questions and answers by Dr. DeMarte. I like the way he did that. It gives more insight into the ‘questions’ than the tweets that we get and so appreciate. He tells more of her replies than the tweets, which are wonderful and I don’t know how they keep up as well as they do, but tweets don’t go into specifics like Paul does.

In my experience with Sanders' work, it's obvious that he mixes reality and invention, but not so obvious how to distinguish what he's making up from what he's reporting.
 
Help again, please. This was already denied by the COA. Then Nurms appealed it to the Supreme court, right? Why is it vs. judge stephens? Stephens didn't appeal it? Thanks

The case was filed by the media against JSKS to prevent her from privatizing her courtroom; i.e., shielding it from the public by booting out the media.
 
This passage sounds as though LWP would not be a possible sentence for JA. The sentence would be death or natural life.

Laws can be changed, overturned, interpreted and re-interpreted by activist jurists.

'Life' is full of non-guarantees.
 
Help again, please. This was already denied by the COA. Then Nurms appealed it to the Supreme court, right? Why is it vs. judge stephens? Stephens didn't appeal it? Thanks

Because Sherry is ultimately responsible for closing the courtroom doors to the public and the media. A big No-No, now according to TWO higher courts.
 
This passage sounds as though LWP would not be a possible sentence for JA. The sentence would be death or natural life.

No, sentencing goes by statute in effect at the time of the crime. Instead of "parole", the wording is now "life imprisonment without the possibility of release, or life imprisonment with the possibility of release after 25 years". (This was JSS's wording on jury instructions at the penalty phase)
 
Ummm......There was testimony that when TA was with Lisa Andrews, JA came in unannounced and turned off all the lights. TA found her downstairs when he went to check.

Motion sensor lights, not circuit breaker. Downstairs as in he was upstairs in the loft and walked downstairs to street level.

Both scenarios are creepy, but going to a basement and switching off circuit breakers is waaaaaaaay more bonkers IMO. But it didn't happen.
 
This passage sounds as though LWP would not be a possible sentence for JA. The sentence would be death or natural life.

Yes. Death or natural life only options for first degree premeditated murder in Arizona. And that's just what Little Miss Hotsy Totsy of Yreka was convicted of..
 
Laws can be changed, overturned, interpreted and re-interpreted by activists jurists.

'Life' is full of non-guarantees.

I understand that, but this 2012 law specifies "natural life" or death for premeditated murder or murder of a police officer. This would explicitly exclude LWP as Jodi's sentence.
 
I fear her modeling days are OVER. :)

I look at her Playboy pose and what leaps out is how GIGANTIC her hands seem. Remembering Ziggy said they look enormous in person too. Yuck all the way round.
 
If anyone is interested, here is a collection of 108 Easy Mitigating Factors.
http://www.fpdaz.org/assets/panel/108 Easy Mitigating Factors November 1, 2005.pdf

And, FWIW, here is the The Thinking Advocate's List of Mitigating Factors from The Sentencing Project.
http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/listofmitigatingfactors.pdf

Probable emotional trigger warning. This is a devil's advocatish kind of rant that may have dire consequences for some readers blood pressure. You may want to skip the next bit entirely and just look at the information in these two sources. I was amazed at how many mitigating factors exist and can understand why the DT would need a specialist in this area.

Rant: The DT is having to fight for every single one of the pitifully few mitigating factors they can offer the court on JA's behalf. It can't be easy, and I can sort of understand why LKN is so angry. He wanted to just get away from JA and was denied by JSS. I'm sure he's thinking he'll be d**ned if an appeals court will find he was ineffective counsel. So, IMO, he's spinning mitigating factors out of spiderwebs and moonbeams in an effort to create the illusion that JA was young and vulnerable at the time of the crime, and, because she is somewhat malleable because of her youth, she is capable of being rehabilitated back into society. He has to, because he has nothing else to offer on her behalf. Nothing.

He can't point to her "excellent employment record"*. He can't tell the jury that his client can be "successfully treated"* for her disorder. He can't direct the jury's attention to documentation of his client's "exemplary"* behaviour following her arrest. The defendant is not "repentant and contrite"*. His client has not by a "plea of guilty aided in ensuring the prompt and certain application of correctional measures"* to her. He can't even claim that "the passing of sentence was unduly delayed"* since the DT has been responsible for most of the delays involved. Claims of her abusive childhood seem sketchy at best, IMO.

So, he has her age (which I still think is questionable as a mitigator) and her lack of criminal record (though, as has previously been pointed out by JM, not a lack criminal behaviour). So that leaves the DT with the most distasteful of options. "The victim(s) provoked the crime to a substantial degree, or other evidence that misconduct by victim contributed substantially to the criminal episode."* That's it. And, it seems to me, that is why the DT keeps implying that Travis Alexander was a pervert (disproven, I think, by JM) and an abusive partner (also disproven, I think, by JM). That's all they've got.

A villain is the hero of his own story. So here, in his story (IMO), LKN is striving against all the odds to get his client LWP or LWOP rather than the DP. He is friendless (JW is not his friend, IMO. The two have been tied to this case by the court, not a mutual desire to offer a defence.) He is unappreciated (JA is ungrateful, irritating, and extraordinarily difficult to deal with, IMO.) He is outmanned (I think his experts are no match for the State's experts). His work will be mercilessly analyzed and judged (in appeal after appeal, IMO). So he is digging into what he has--an understanding of the law. He is looking for loopholes (I think to protect what is left of his reputation. He does not, IMO, want anyone to fault him for missing a technical detail. He does not want to be seen as ineffective.) And, IMO, he's looking for one person to have enough doubt to hang the jury and take the DP off the table. It's a monumental task, and he is JA's only hope. (It's his story, remember?) He's standing between her and the gurney, and the court has assigned him the task to keep JA from execution. He has been ordered to take on the role of advocate for one of the most vile, unlikeable, uncharismatic, unrepentant, pretentious, posturing, hateful liars in existence.

If I understand it correctly, a defence attorney is not just defending his client when he/she takes on a case. A defence attorney is defending the rights of every person in the city/county/state/country by holding the state accountable for every action taken in a court of law. So, Nurmi, by vigorously defending JA, is making sure that the next person in an Arizona courtroom will not have his/her rights trampled. He is upholding the rule of law by not allowing public opinion to influence a decision regarding his client's sentence. In a sense, he's making sure that justice remains blind to any factors extraneous to the crime before the court. It's possible, IMO, that he sees his actions as holding JM and his team, and his witnesses, to the highest standards because only by doing so can he fulfill his obligation as an officer of the court to be sure that the court system will be fair to people who, like his client IMO, are unlikeable. Fairness doesn't mean they are found not guilty nor does it mean that they go unpunished. It's just that their guilt is proven beyond a doubt.

So, although I believe JA is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and I hate the way the DT is treating the State's witnesses and I would have no problem voting in favour of the DP in this case, I sort of see where LKN is coming from. He's no Atticus Finch, but he's fighting a losing battle with everything at his disposal. JMO.

*The Thinking Advocate's List of Mitigating Factors.

:wave: Great post.

I agree that he is trying to make sure JA is not sentenced because she is not likeable.
But, he, himself say that he couldn't stand JA 9/10 days in his closing last trial.
He should've just let the trial take it's course. It seems like JSS and Nurmi are delaying this. What is their tactic? Get a sentence and no appeals on their dime?
 
I understand that, but this 2012 law specifies "natural life" or death for premeditated murder or murder of a police officer. This would explicitly exclude LWP as Jodi's sentence.

See post #308 ^. Sentencing will be per 2008 law which reads DP, natural life, or life (w/possibility of release after 25 years).
 
I watched Dr. Phil yesterday and he had Corey Batey, one of the Vanderbilt football players, who was convicted in the brutal rape of a female student. I am in no way excusing their behavior because it was a horrendous crime that was incomprehensible. This happened in Nashville TN and the justice system in each state is different. However, I was shocked to hear he could be sentenced to 144 years. Compare that to this trial. Jodi could get 25 years with a chance for parole. (Hoping for the death sentence) I am not minimizing what these players did to this poor girl just shocked that if you slaughter someone you could actually get out of jail in your lifetime. How messed up is this?
 
No, the dismissed juror was being interviewed by a tv reporter. And she said on tv, that ' We were surprised to see her on the stand in an empty courtroom, and WE THOUGHT ' WHAT HAPPENED?'

The tweet was from a JA supporter, who sent the video to Nurmi, saying it would be helpful because it seemed to show that the jury was discussing the case...

And it does seem to show that, but who knows if she is telling an accurate story?

That is probably why they went in one by one---to be asked if they discussed the super secret testimony with each other.

:facepalm:

BBM ~ And if they say yes, then what?
 
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