Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/10 - Break

[ElleElle]

Then color me confused. Didn't Dr D testify that it was the circuit breakers that TA went to check? Did she have that wrong?

It just goes to show you on the inaccuracies in reporting from inside the court room. I want to hear DM testify this, because right now, as it stands, it's not fact. JMO

 

[5bigfish5]

That is a great read. It sure makes it clear. With her guilty of 1st degree Murder plus the added factor of extreme cruelty, Judge Sherry will not issue a mere life sentence. If not the death penalty, then she would never be let out on the streets.

Most respectfully, I will believe it when I see it.

I will NEVER get over her closing the courtroom.

 

[wenwe4]

FYI, lisasalinger has permission from the owners to discuss her book on Websleuths.

Thanks Tricia! Looking forward to hearing (reading) what she has to say!

 

[Meemaw12]

How many hours will they actually be in session? Slowest court case I ever knew. And will all the jurors still be there? And how late will they get started? Sheesh.... I have so many questions before it even starts! And will JA get back on the stand., I doubt it. :dunno:

Yea it's pretty sad to have all these questions after so many months but I am hoping for a role starting tomorrow, Mr M will finish soon maybe early next week then sur with def, now that might take awhile uggg but it's getting closer. Doubt she will take the stand, she won't be able to remember all the lies she told last time an will get her in trouble, she knows it. I do expect her to do something outrageous like a big hurrah knowing it's over.

We shall see...just gotta buckle up lil while longer


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[Nore]

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[wenwe4]

How many hours will they actually be in session? Slowest court case I ever knew. And will all the jurors still be there? And how late will they get started? Sheesh.... I have so many questions before it even starts! And will JA get back on the stand., I doubt it. :dunno:

Here is the list of juror hours to date:

Trial Days – Jodi Arias Retrial – Jurors present
10/21/14 9:30 – 12:15 & 1:45 - 4:30 (4 hrs)
10/22/14 9:45 – 12 & 1:30 – 4:30 (4:45h)
10/23/14 10 – 12 & 1:30 jury sent home (1:45h)
10/27/14 9:45 – 11:50 & 1:30 – 4:15 (4:15h)
10/28/14 9:30 – 12:05 & 1:30 – 4:00 (4:30h)
10/30/14 9:30 – 12:00 & 1:00 – 4:30 pm witness secret (3pm doors still locked) (5:30h)
11/3/14 1:30 – 3:30 (guessing since courtroom closed) (2h)
11/12/14 9:50 – 12:00 & 1:30 – 4:30 (4:45h)
11/13/14 10:15 – 11:50 & 1:00 – 4:00 (4h)
11/17/14 9:45 – 11:50 & 1:30 – 2:50 Emergent situation closed court end of day (3h)
11/24/14 10:00 – 12:00 & 1:30 – 4:30 (4:30h)
11/25/14 10:00 – 12:05 & 1:30 – 3:45 (3:45h)
12/2/14 9:45 – 12:00 & 1:30 – 4:15 (4:30h)
Jurors present 51:15 hrs in 8 weeks of trial
12/15/14 9:50 – 10:50, 11:06 – 11:58 & 1:32 – 2:58, 3:22 – 4:27 (4:30h) Day 15 Dr.Geffner
12/16/14 10:44 – 11:58 & 1:38 – 3:02, 3:22 – 4:26 (4:45h) Day 16 Dr. Geffner
12/17/14 9:43 – 10:39 & 10:55-12:00, 1:42 – 3:02, 3:23 –5:16 (4:15h) (13:20 this week)
12/18/14 (9am start) 9:26 – 10:28 & 10:42 – 12:00 (Geffner) 1:15 - 2:25 & 2:40 – 3:40 & 3:55 – 4:30 (4:15h)
Jurors present 69 hrs in 9 weeks of trial (more than ¼ total hours happened this week!)
1/5/2015 9am start but jurors sent home @ 9:30 without entering
1/8/2015 9:30 – 11:00 & 1:45 - 4:30 Pseudonym/John Smith – Computer expert (4hr)
Jurors present 4 hrs this week for total of 73 hrs in 10 weeks
1/12/15 8:30 – 9:30 & 10:00 – 10:50 & 12:40 – 1:00 (2:10h) Flores
1/14/15 9:05 – 10:30 & 1:50 – 1:55 min (poptart) & 2:05 – 2:45 Pseudo/J Smith (2:30h)
Jurors present 77:45 hrs in 11 weeks of trial
1/20/15 9:50 – 11:05 & 11:25 – 12:10 & 1:15 – 1:50 & 2:10 – 2:30 (1:40 sidebar) 4:10 – 4:45 Geffner (3:30h)
1/21/15 1:00 – 2:20 & 2:40 – 3:47 & 4:07 – 5:03 (3:30)
1/22/15 9:45 – 10:45 & 11:00 – 12:00 & 1:00 – 2:30 & 2:50 – 3:30 (jury kicked out) & 3:45 for 1 min - 3:47 (poptart jury) & 4:15 – 4:20 (jury out) & 4:30 – 4:40 (4:30h)
1/26/15 9:30 – 10:15 & 10:35 – 10:55 & 11:00 – 12:00 & 1:05 – 1:35 (2:35) & 1:50 – 2:25 & 2:40 3:35 & 3:45 – 4:30 & 4:35 -5:35 & 6:00 – 8:00 (8:00h)
1/27/15 2:05 – 2:35 & 2:40 – 3:15 & 3:30 – 4:00 (2:40h)
1/28/15 1:30 – 3:10 & 3:20 – 4:00 (2:20h)
2/2/15 10:15 – 12:00 & 1:30 – 3:05 & 3:30 - 4:10 (Bishop Parker) (4:30h)
2/3/15 10:35 – 12:00 & 1:35 – 2:30 sidebar followed by recess & 3:05 - 4:00 (Demarte) (3:30h)
2/4/15 9:55 – 10:55 & 11:15 – 12:00 & 1:35 – 3:00 & 3:15 – 4:30 (4:45)
2/5/15 10:15 – 11:00 & 11:15 – 12:10 & (JA late arrival) 2:00 – 2:50 (find paper) 3:00 – 4:30 (4:00h)
2/9/15 9:45 – 10:30 & 11:00 (sidebars) – 12:00 & 1:30 – 2:15 DeMarte finishes 21 sidebars today – no court tomorrow – jurors called to chambers individually. (2:30h)
*Jurors present 121:15 hrs in 15 weeks trial to date – (53:15 hrs since Dec 18th)

 

[Diggin]

Petition denied:

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Soooooo...they have refused to take this under consideration? They denied Nurmi's request? Frankly, I think they already know too much about Nurmi's tons of filings and asking to dismiss the death penalty or else. He's used the higher levels of courts in Arizona to cause delay after delay, only to be denied each time. Enough is enough. Nurmi, if you're reading this...even the higher courts are sick of your hundreds of delays, just so you can line your pockets.

LinTX, thank you for letting us know!

 

[ElleElle]

Tomorrow new day new witness, will it be Det Smith or someone else???? Hmm I wonder


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Maybe Dr. Hayes? I don't think Smith is quite ready yet. I am going to look back and see where on BK site where Smith needed 2 more weeks to complete his report.

 

[RickshawFan]

Motion sensor lights, not circuit breaker. Downstairs as in he was upstairs in the loft and walked downstairs to street level.

Both scenarios are creepy, but going to a basement and switching off circuit breakers is waaaaaaaay more bonkers IMO. But it didn't happen.

I understood that the lights went off, not that they went on. I had guessed that someone switched the wrong light in the foyer when they entered.

 

[RickshawFan]

Maybe Dr. Hayes? I don't think Smith is quite ready yet. I am going to look back and see where on BK site where Smith needed 2 more weeks to complete his report.

I was wondering when Dr. Hayes would show up, because wasn't she on Juan's witness list for this phase? She has experience in making Geff look bad and in backing up DeMarte.

 

[Spellbound]

Hi, O/T I am getting severe warnings from McAfee on WS. pag es. I picked up virus's I don't know where but this is bad. I contacted McAfee, had all the virus's removed but still getting scads of popups. I can hardly get in. Warning Whoa!! I will call them and they will take care of the popups. I was told to call if they didn't stop with Virus removal. Someone else mentioned these popup warnings last week. Be careful , I wonder if from a plant here from enemy territory.:lol: P....s. I am going to try not opening utube or any add ons. Cant hurt. Zuri thinking of you..:loveyou:

Nore, have you also cleared your "browser history"? That helped get rid of a lot of weird pop ups I was getting here a few weeks ago.

 

[mydirtysecret]

Did you see all the grammatical, spelling, and omission errors in her latest prosecutorial misconduct amendment?

Do as JA says, not as she, LKN, and JW do.

Yea it's pretty sad to have all these questions after so many months but I am hoping for a role starting tomorrow, Mr M will finish soon maybe early next week then sur with def, now that might take awhile uggg but it's getting closer. Doubt she will take the stand, she won't be able to remember all the lies she told last time an will get her in trouble, she knows it. I do expect her to do something outrageous like a big hurrah knowing it's over.

We shall see...just gotta buckle up lil while longer


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ITA.. i don't see Jodi letting this phase end quietly and just "letting" it go to the jury since the last one betrayed her. I think there's still worst to come

 

[iforget]

Just a comment on Nurmis latest filing stating she couldn't testify due to mental illness. He knows or at least should know it will fail given the fact that she was granted the right to be her own lawyer.. That plus all the days she testified during the guilt portion!
Please let me vote!!! DP!!

 

[Spellbound]

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We have 111 candles glowing right now. :candle:

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Ok. I have BPD. I was diagnosed in my early 20s. BPD people aren't manipulative on purpose not in the regular understanding of manipulating. What happens is that a BPD person is terrified, absolutely terrified about being abandoned, even if there is no abandonment taking place, it can be the perception of being abandoned that causes fear. A BPD person then goes into a type of panic mode, that they can't exist without that person in their life and that is why they do things to try and keep that person in their life, like self-harming to get the care and attention, splurging money to give treats to people, being reckless with money so the other person has to manage their money for them. It's not conscious manipulation, it's a primal fear. BPD people have an emotionally unstable personality (and in fact in the UK many psychiatrists now call BPD Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder). The best way to explain it is that we don't have the tools to deal with handling emotions that a "normal" developed adult has. We are kind of stuck in that awkward adolescent stage where everything is a complete drama. Having BPD doesn't excuse soneone's actions. I know right from wrong. It doesn't mean that someone cannot control what they do. Typically a BPD person is aware of what they are doing, they may not be consciously aware that it is manipulative though.

I have the added difficulties of experiencing psychosis when extremely stressed or depressed. That is completely different to BPD. Having BPD does not mean you WILL be psychotic at any time. I also have a diagnosis of PTSD. Jodi does not at all present as having PTSD. She has no heightened startle reflex and doesn't go out of her way to avoid the alleged cause of the PTSD.

Blefusc - I really can't thank you enough for this, and not for JA's problems, but for my own. It has stuck with me all day. THANK YOU!

 

[Meemaw12]

Maybe Dr. Hayes? I don't think Smith is quite ready yet. I am going to look back and see where on BK site where Smith needed 2 more weeks to complete his report.

Would love for Dr Hayes to testify, yes I remember about the time needed for the report don't know how they will do it.


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[elementary]

If anyone is interested, here is a collection of 108 Easy Mitigating Factors.
http://www.fpdaz.org/assets/panel/108 Easy Mitigating Factors November 1, 2005.pdf

And, FWIW, here is the The Thinking Advocate's List of Mitigating Factors from The Sentencing Project.
http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/listofmitigatingfactors.pdf

Probable emotional trigger warning. This is a devil's advocatish kind of rant that may have dire consequences for some readers blood pressure. You may want to skip the next bit entirely and just look at the information in these two sources. I was amazed at how many mitigating factors exist and can understand why the DT would need a specialist in this area.

Rant: The DT is having to fight for every single one of the pitifully few mitigating factors they can offer the court on JA's behalf. It can't be easy, and I can sort of understand why LKN is so angry. He wanted to just get away from JA and was denied by JSS. I'm sure he's thinking he'll be d**ned if an appeals court will find he was ineffective counsel. So, IMO, he's spinning mitigating factors out of spiderwebs and moonbeams in an effort to create the illusion that JA was young and vulnerable at the time of the crime, and, because she is somewhat malleable because of her youth, she is capable of being rehabilitated back into society. He has to, because he has nothing else to offer on her behalf. Nothing.

He can't point to her "excellent employment record"*. He can't tell the jury that his client can be "successfully treated"* for her disorder. He can't direct the jury's attention to documentation of his client's "exemplary"* behaviour following her arrest. The defendant is not "repentant and contrite"*. His client has not by a "plea of guilty aided in ensuring the prompt and certain application of correctional measures"* to her. He can't even claim that "the passing of sentence was unduly delayed"* since the DT has been responsible for most of the delays involved. Claims of her abusive childhood seem sketchy at best, IMO.

So, he has her age (which I still think is questionable as a mitigator) and her lack of criminal record (though, as has previously been pointed out by JM, not a lack criminal behaviour). So that leaves the DT with the most distasteful of options. "The victim(s) provoked the crime to a substantial degree, or other evidence that misconduct by victim contributed substantially to the criminal episode."* That's it. And, it seems to me, that is why the DT keeps implying that Travis Alexander was a pervert (disproven, I think, by JM) and an abusive partner (also disproven, I think, by JM). That's all they've got.

A villain is the hero of his own story. So here, in his story (IMO), LKN is striving against all the odds to get his client LWP or LWOP rather than the DP. He is friendless (JW is not his friend, IMO. The two have been tied to this case by the court, not a mutual desire to offer a defence.) He is unappreciated (JA is ungrateful, irritating, and extraordinarily difficult to deal with, IMO.) He is outmanned (I think his experts are no match for the State's experts). His work will be mercilessly analyzed and judged (in appeal after appeal, IMO). So he is digging into what he has--an understanding of the law. He is looking for loopholes (I think to protect what is left of his reputation. He does not, IMO, want anyone to fault him for missing a technical detail. He does not want to be seen as ineffective.) And, IMO, he's looking for one person to have enough doubt to hang the jury and take the DP off the table. It's a monumental task, and he is JA's only hope. (It's his story, remember?) He's standing between her and the gurney, and the court has assigned him the task to keep JA from execution. He has been ordered to take on the role of advocate for one of the most vile, unlikeable, uncharismatic, unrepentant, pretentious, posturing, hateful liars in existence.

If I understand it correctly, a defence attorney is not just defending his client when he/she takes on a case. A defence attorney is defending the rights of every person in the city/county/state/country by holding the state accountable for every action taken in a court of law. So, Nurmi, by vigorously defending JA, is making sure that the next person in an Arizona courtroom will not have his/her rights trampled. He is upholding the rule of law by not allowing public opinion to influence a decision regarding his client's sentence. In a sense, he's making sure that justice remains blind to any factors extraneous to the crime before the court. It's possible, IMO, that he sees his actions as holding JM and his team, and his witnesses, to the highest standards because only by doing so can he fulfill his obligation as an officer of the court to be sure that the court system will be fair to people who, like his client IMO, are unlikeable. Fairness doesn't mean they are found not guilty nor does it mean that they go unpunished. It's just that their guilt is proven beyond a doubt.

So, although I believe JA is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and I hate the way the DT is treating the State's witnesses and I would have no problem voting in favour of the DP in this case, I sort of see where LKN is coming from. He's no Atticus Finch, but he's fighting a losing battle with everything at his disposal. JMO.

*The Thinking Advocate's List of Mitigating Factors.

I honestly don't understand the sympathy extended to the likes of Nurmi and Wilmott. To me it's rather simple- defend your client in an honourable manner, that is all that is asked of any lawyer. Either you have the brains and will to do it or you don't.

I think that Wilmott and Nurmi are the face of everything that is wrong with the justice system now- they want to win at all costs by any means possible and everything is justified, just like it is for the murderer. I also think that they believe in nothing other than what is useful for that advancement and for their reputation. People are beginning to accept amorai, unethical and bullying behaviour as justifiable for the sake of some higher cause that the actual protagonists don't even believe in. It's useful, and IMO, people are buying it. I think that Nurmi and Wilmott just want to win; it's a game to them, and succor for their overweeninge egos.

ETA: Is the DT fighting a losing battle? In actuality, who knows? Why ascribe that to them? It makes them sound like they're the underdogs. REALLY?

 

[samspace070]

The bank account information wasn't allowed in. We don't have any idea what that information is or means, much less whether or not it has anything to do with PPL, much less PPL signups being stolen by JA.

I'm all for speculation.. it's one of my favorite hobbies, but when that's what you're doing it helps to say so.

The Bank information was discused in a pre-trial hearing you can read on the Internet. Juan wanted TA bank records entered into evidence and DT argued it was too predjudicial. The judge after four pages of arguing kept it out. I don't know what records show but if Juan wanted them in they had to have something to do with JA, but we will never get to see it. I can speculate all I want and so can anyone else. That is the Def fault for keeping the facts and the truth out.

 

[ICit]

I recommend this for the BEST POST OF THE DAY!

:deadhorse:

 

[Hope4More]

Maybe Dr. Hayes? I don't think Smith is quite ready yet. I am going to look back and see where on BK site where Smith needed 2 more weeks to complete his report.

Last I recall JM was arguing for Smith to testify before the report was completed, saying it would be another month. Nurmi objected to testimony before he could see the report, and said Smith had indicated 2 weeks more from the time the DT interviewed him.

I think JSS read the transcript of Smith's interview and seconded there was no reason for the report to take another month, but don't remember where it was left. Thinking she gave Nurmi additional time to interview Smith? But not sure.