Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/20 thru 2/23 - Break

[deedee21]

... and hacks her electronic communications and slashes her tires? I say she should have gone underground long ago. It's only a matter of time before she is murdered.

She missed her calling as an occult leader.

 

[GigiG]

Watched the Deadly Sins episode last night that featured Jodi. There were several inaccuracies that they portrayed as fact. They relied heavily on commentary from Shana Hogan, a psychologist named Casey Jordan, the Hugheses, and Dave Hall. I'll see if I can remember them all: 1) They claimed that Jodi snooped Bobby J's emails by using the back button (don't believe this for a minute). The library logs you out after 10 min of inactivity. 2) They implied that they were having sex in the Hugheses home right under their noses.
3) They implied the sex after the baptism was in a pool. According to the liar- it was across Travis's desk. 4) They implied that Travis got angry when Jodi decided to move back to Yreka. 5) They implied he dumped Lisa for Mimi. 6) They implied that Travis was a willing participant in the phone sex. 7) They implied that he invited her to Mesa on June 4th and was waiting up for her at 4am. 8) They claimed that Travis took the pictures of Jodi on the bed (I think she took them with a timer). 9)They claimed he knew Jodi was photographing him in the shower. The look of fear and surprise on his face in the still shots tells me otherwise. It appeared to have been made before the retrial. No new claims like the child *advertiser censored* were added.
The host was Darin Kavinoky billed as Crime Scene Expert, he's really a Defense Attorney who was an HLN consultant.

I watched, too, LinusK, and I had the exact same observations. It wasn't just wrong, it was pretty irresponsible that it went to air with so many errors. I took particular exception to Shana Hogan's recitation of the "facts." They were all accusations by Jodi with no corroboration by anyone else.

 

[ZoeyW]

Juan is going to rip these experts apart. I cannot believe Geffner was permitted by the judge to say that Dr. DeMarte was unethical, and even assenine. I have never seen an expert be allowed to say things like Dr. F and Bryan saying to Juan that he is committing misconduct, lying and going down slime highway. ALL of that should have been admonished by the judge and stricken from the record. Whenever Juan does not object, I just grin. I know he is thinking that remark is going to cost you! I am literally SHOCKED that Geffner said he did not interview the Mormons implying that they of course would have lied to protect their standing in the church. Juan made him repeat it on the record at least twice that a decision was made that because of their Mormon faith they did not interview Lisa, and the other gals Travis dated, and not Chris and Sky. He said Chris/Sky and Lisa all had secondary gain on top of the problematic Mormonism. WHAT IN THE WORLD? Jews. Gentiles. Mormons. Everybody must be outraged. He was however perfectly happy taking the statements of Marc McGee, the Affiant, now prove liar, who is .....Mormon.


Proof of Marc McGee's lies

http://jodiariastrialtruth.blogspot.com/2015_01_01_archive.html

It was just so absurd. I know many are upset about the book but what does Lisa have to do with that? Geffner just lumped everyone together with one broad brush "The Mormons". Juan's grin it correct....He will crucify Jodi Arias and her experts over this comment and the overt hypocritical domino effect that opinion links up to.

I feel very confident that his entire testimony and that of Dr. F will be very quickly set aside in the jury room. They made themselves into a joke. Juan is going to remind the jury this is not a trial about 50 shades of Jodi's sex life, or the Mormon religion. Moreover Jodi Arias was supposed to be just as Mormon as Travis, she converted in 2006. Whatever rules of the church he was breaking, she was too. Whatever penalty he faced she faced too.

I was so happy to see Abe tell the jury that Jodi made a joke of her conversion.
Abe Abdelhadi, a man who dated Jodi Arias and was a colleague of Travis Alexander recalls his experience with Jodi. His name was mentioned in the infamous phone sex tape. In previous interviews Abe has described the story of his date with Jodi one night in Pasadena. He said the date eventually involved kissing and as they were kissing he noticed that Jodi wasn’t wearing “magic underwear” (a term used for garments worn by Mormons). After mentioning this to Jodi, to his surprise she replied, “No but there’s magic IN them.” Abe made the argument that this experience shows that Jodi was not as sexually "naïve" as she may have portrayed to have been to the court.
Abe also was able to help the jury set aside ALL of Jodi and Travis' emails as through him Juan proved Jodi sent fake e mails. OFTEN

Abe http://youtu.be/JIup-ddf3iU

It is pretty obvious she was just pretending to be Mormon once she learned Travis would only marry a Mormon. Like all things with Jodi Arias she had an on / off button. Some of our smart posters here have brought up names of other men she was dating
Ryan
John Dixon she was interested in
Sam
and random others during her "Don't ask, don't tell " time with Travis. I'm sure Juan will bring that up too. Where is the *advertiser censored* shaming chart for Jodi since they made one just for Travis joking on the phone with girls?

I always say Jodi Arias was no more abused than she was Mormon, a blonde, or sorry.

The jurors questions were very telling. They mocked Geffner. They will mock Dr. F. They already mocked the computer dude. I think we have a good chance of getting the death penalty . Now that Marc McGee's affidavit has been so thoroughly proved to be outright lies, and it so obvious they know Jodi lied to her doctors, and they have seen the proof of no remorse in the letter she wrote the family......this jury is in a better position to see there is no mitigation that tips the scale of justice here. The only chart that matters is the one from Dr. Horn that details the near beheading of Travis 27 stab wounds and a gun shot to the head. No matter how long they keep Dr. F up there, with it all started when Jodi was a baby...... NOTHING trumps exhibit 205.



http://youtu.be/SO0YdawUss0?t=56m14s

Juan is going to close with it. His closing is going to be powerful. Juan Martinez is ten feet tall in that courtroom. One stands pretty darn big and tall with confidence when they are armed with THE TRUTH.

Here is Paul's latest blog . I really enjoy his posts! #JodiArias Death Penalty Retrial - A CONFIRMATORY BIAS - 1/2 JUROR PERSPECTIVE
The Jodi Arias Death Penalty Retrial: A Juror’s Perspective, by The 13th Juror MD, DAY 37
@The13thJurorMD http://t.co/9L9eOc7h6m

Thank you all for your continued prayers for the family.
In the absence of their parents to wrap their arms around them......God sent Juan.

 

[ICit]

IMO, it's a lot more consistent with narcissistic personality disorder than borderline. About 1/3 of diagnosed borderlines also have NPD. Comorbidity is high with personality disorders even if co-occuring disorders aren't always diagnosed.

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerating your achievements and talents
Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
Requiring constant admiration
Having a sense of entitlement
Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
Taking advantage of others to get what you want
Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Being envious of others and believing others envy you
Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

As an aside, bznbear, I'm so sorry for all you went through with your mother. Loving someone severely personality disordered and untreated is bad enough - I really can't imagine the pain and hopelessness when that someone is also your parent. :hug:

JMO and FWIW

All this makes me wonder if Geffner, Laviolette and Samuels didn't work with her on passing her test with the prosecution's experts after she failed the one they gave her.
Perhaps it wasn't a slip when Geffner mentioned testing in 2008 on the stand. If he could ignore statements from anyone who dared say anything bad about his Jodi couldn't he pick and choose which tests he admitted to giving her?

 

[Val1]

All this makes me wonder if Geffner, Laviolette and Samuels didn't work with her on passing her test with the prosecution's experts after she failed the one they gave her.
Perhaps it wasn't a slip when Geffner mentioned testing in 2008 on the stand. If he could ignore statements from anyone who dared say anything bad about his Jodi couldn't he pick and choose which tests he admitted to giving her?

Considering both Samuels and LaV gave the defendant books on how real victims react... I'm sure that given JA's penchant to research things that affect her that these "gifts" certainly didn't impair her ability to manipulate both tests and other "expert" opinions in her favour. The only way to legitimately screen her after those two had had access to her imo, would have been under glass for a very extensive observation with specific situations. Anything coming out of her mouth should have automatically been censored with the only kind of allowable medical/psychological testimony from/about her should have come from EEG's and other kinds of neurological assessments while undergoing these extensive situational observations. Perhaps then there would be something reasonably factual to base diagnosis's on rather than just on a liar's words(spoken or written) or those who would support those lies and stand to gain either emotionally like her family or anti-DP advocates, or financially through secondary gain themselves.

 

[bznbear]

IMO, it's a lot more consistent with narcissistic personality disorder than borderline. About 1/3 of diagnosed borderlines also have NPD. Comorbidity is high with personality disorders even if co-occuring disorders aren't always diagnosed.

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerating your achievements and talents
Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
Requiring constant admiration
Having a sense of entitlement
Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
Taking advantage of others to get what you want
Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Being envious of others and believing others envy you
Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

As an aside, bznbear, I'm so sorry for all you went through with your mother. Loving someone severely personality disordered and untreated is bad enough - I really can't imagine the pain and hopelessness when that someone is also your parent. :hug:

JMO and FWIW

Yes, I suspect that is exactly the case, both with JA and my mom.

Thank you, Kate. You know, I was angry for many years, until mom was finally DXd. When I became a little more educated on the BPD symptoms, it was easier to cope with. For some reason, I was the only child she treated that strangely; perhaps because I'm the oldest. When I tell my younger sister some of my stories she is truly shocked.

ETA: I always wondered if my mother thought of me as an extension of her, and when I didn't turn out the way she planned, she was angry.

 

[Spycraft]

Zervakos also noted later that the 8-4 final vote changed from the initial vote which had fewer than 8 for the DP. Zervokos likely made it plain that even if the vote got to 11-1 for DP, he'd to be lone holdout, so further deliberations were futile.

Something that Zervakos said in one of his interviews really struck me. Paraphrasing here, but that JA had been a normal young girl living a normal life UNTIL she met Travis, and that meeting Travis changed the TRAJECTORY of her life. That struck me as odd because it was nearly verbatim what Willmott said in her argument, that if not for meeting Travis, Arias would have continued being a friend, artist, in good relationships blah blah blah, lie, lie, lie....But for the fact that Travis came into her world and changed the trajectory of her life...........
Zervakos mimicking that phrase exactly really bothered me for some reason. Like he just wanted to believe Willmott so much that he even used her words to describe HIS DECISION. Odd. For me, anyway, it was just odd.

 

[salberg7]

Fonseca tomorrow,nothing like beating a dead horse, again again and again! What can she possibly contribute?
I read an article that after these witnesses the killer gets to dazzle us with her eloquence, grammer and syntax (gag me), then Juan and the DT do their closing arguments. Can they complete all this by Thursday? Million dollar question....

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I watched, too, LinusK, and I had the exact same observations. It wasn't just wrong, it was pretty irresponsible that it went to air with so many errors. I took particular exception to Shana Hogan's recitation of the "facts." They were all accusations by Jodi with no corroboration by anyone else.

Watched the Deadly Sins episode last night that featured Jodi. There were several inaccuracies that they portrayed as fact. They relied heavily on commentary from Shana Hogan, a psychologist named Casey Jordan, the Hugheses, and Dave Hall. I'll see if I can remember them all: 1) They claimed that Jodi snooped Bobby J's emails by using the back button (don't believe this for a minute). The library logs you out after 10 min of inactivity. 2) They implied that they were having sex in the Hugheses home right under their noses.
3) They implied the sex after the baptism was in a pool. According to the liar- it was across Travis's desk. 4) They implied that Travis got angry when Jodi decided to move back to Yreka. 5) They implied he dumped Lisa for Mimi. 6) They implied that Travis was a willing participant in the phone sex. 7) They implied that he invited her to Mesa on June 4th and was waiting up for her at 4am. 8) They claimed that Travis took the pictures of Jodi on the bed (I think she took them with a timer). 9)They claimed he knew Jodi was photographing him in the shower. The look of fear and surprise on his face in the still shots tells me otherwise. It appeared to have been made before the retrial. No new claims like the child *advertiser censored* were added.
The host was Darin Kavinoky billed as Crime Scene Expert, he's really a Defense Attorney who was an HLN consultant.

That "documentary" was without a doubt clueless IMO. I for one do not care for S.H. It is a shame that they ran with so much BS. Wouldn't it be nice to watch some actual truths for once? I wonder where SH got her information, as she seems to flow with many CMJAisms, er, LIES.

 

[Steve44]

Fonseca tomorrow,nothing like beating a dead horse, again again and again! What can she possibly contribute?
I read an article that after these witnesses the killer gets to dazzle us with her eloquence, grammer and syntax (gag me), then Juan and the DT do their closing arguments. Can they complete all this by Thursday? Million dollar question....

I have to believe that the jury is on to Fonseca by now, since she's the most blatant embodiment of the defense teams tactic of extreme bias. If she continues her game, I think it will only push the jurors further away.

As far as trial wrapping up next week, I doubt it. They will drag it out as long as possible on the stand, not to mention the next delays of distraction Nurmi will try to throw into the works. I think we're looking at at least two weeks.

 

[LinasK]

Something that Zervakos said in one of his interviews really struck me. Paraphrasing here, but that JA had been a normal young girl living a normal life UNTIL she met Travis, and that meeting Travis changed the TRAJECTORY of her life. That struck me as odd because it was nearly verbatim what Willmott said in her argument, that if not for meeting Travis, Arias would have continued being a friend, artist, in good relationships blah blah blah, lie, lie, lie....But for the fact that Travis came into her world and changed the trajectory of her life...........
Zervakos mimicking that phrase exactly really bothered me for some reason. Like he just wanted to believe Willmott so much that he even used her words to describe HIS DECISION. Odd. For me, anyway, it was just odd.

The only way Travis changed the trajectory of Jodi's life is that he was a bigger fish to hook. She escalated her stalking and violence, not because of anything Travis did or was. Her stakes were higher. After a taste of his good life, she wasn't going to support herself or go back to her closet of a room at Granny's in Yreka!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Iirc it was a another prospective love interest(but apparently he had a little girl, which dampened things for JA because one of her conditions for a "new" love interest, was that they be childless). I'll see if I can find where she's talking about him in her journals, I don't recall offhand if he had come from the LDS site I believe she had registered with back in 2007(possibly even late 2006).

Owns Sammy's Café in Provo??

 

[Steve44]

She missed her calling as an occult leader.

Do you mean 'cult leader'?

 

[Bernina]

Watched the Deadly Sins episode last night that featured Jodi. There were several inaccuracies that they portrayed as fact. They relied heavily on commentary from Shana Hogan, a psychologist named Casey Jordan, the Hugheses, and Dave Hall. I'll see if I can remember them all: 1) They claimed that Jodi snooped Bobby J's emails by using the back button (don't believe this for a minute). The library logs you out after 10 min of inactivity. 2) They implied that they were having sex in the Hugheses home right under their noses.
3) They implied the sex after the baptism was in a pool. According to the liar- it was across Travis's desk. 4) They implied that Travis got angry when Jodi decided to move back to Yreka. 5) They implied he dumped Lisa for Mimi. 6) They implied that Travis was a willing participant in the phone sex. 7) They implied that he invited her to Mesa on June 4th and was waiting up for her at 4am. 8) They claimed that Travis took the pictures of Jodi on the bed (I think she took them with a timer). 9)They claimed he knew Jodi was photographing him in the shower. The look of fear and surprise on his face in the still shots tells me otherwise. It appeared to have been made before the retrial. No new claims like the child *advertiser censored* were added.
The host was Darin Kavinoky billed as Crime Scene Expert, he's really a Defense Attorney who was an HLN consultant.

I believe the only valid book/movie we can expect to be truthful is one produced or heavily consulted with the Mesa/Yrecka detectives/investigators or the prosecutor in this case. There is ALWAYS so much more that never makes it into court. The Hugheses didn't KNOW what was going on in Mesa, they lived in California. They could ASSUME a lot of things but that doesn't make that the truth. Their credibility tanked with me when the let CMJA inject them into CMJA's and TA's relationship (it was none of their business) and when Sky believed the nonsense Nurmi claimed about pedophilia. "Best Friends" or whatever they want to call themselves, don't let someone bad mouth their "best friend" until they know the facts, if even that.

You are married with kids, you and your wife have your friend in your closed door bedroom, talking about your friend's girlfriend who just happens to be in your house at that very moment..............that's just weird. Sitting on the patio? Maybe. Involving your wife? Eh........I don't think so. I just get a really weird vibe from them. JMO.

 

[Wing Ding]

The only time I ever questioned Juan (in the trial we could see) was when he dropped the camera. I thought that was a bit over the top. In retrospect I realized this camera was in evidence, had gone through a washer, was not useful to anyone except to Juan in that moment. He was able to demonstrate how he could drop a camera and although startling (sic?) it was not enough to enrage someone to attack or murder. (IMO)

Dang, I missed Juan dropping the camera in the first trial. Was he standing when he dropped it, or was he crouching (as Arias said she was ) and dropped it from less than a foot off the ground to illustrate minimal/no damage?

I mean it wasn't a hot potato. She didn't fumble it up into the air like an NFL field goal kicker trying to throw a pass.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000146968/Garo-Yepremian-attempted-throw

 

[Spycraft]

I agree with this. It's taken a LONG time to put DV on the map and educate the public's awareness. THESE types of "drs" or whatever they are undermines the perception of what DV is. This is just my opinion,having left a husband in 1989 due to physical abuse, and knowing what my options were back then. And knowing how DV was perceived. I was very embarrassed to have anyone know outside of a couple family members. People I worked with at large corporation never knew why I got divorced. It was all very hidden.

These hired guns and their propaganda and seminars, etc. have made a mockery of this issue.

They can't tell a who is a true victim, and that is scary. They are hacks. IMO

ADDED: on second thought. They do know what they are doing, and it's all about MAKING money, and establishing a subcategory as an "expert in Domestic Violence". All you have to do is pad your CVs and pay for and attend all their "conventions" and "seminars".

They no long have to "practice"....just make money with their conventions and non-profits, grants and charge $$$$$$ to appear in court. Gravy train....

IT'S a SCAM. JMO

It has to STOP.

It does have to stop. I was working as a DV/SA/SV advocate during the guilt phase of this trial. I can't count the number of discussions we had as staff as we tried to untangle the complete misrepresentation of domestic violence portrayed by the defense and perpetuated for weeks by using their "expert" LaViolette to give credence and validate these claims. We saw women, and some men, every single day who were victims of DV/SA/SV and although we were trained to know what DV looks like, it took no real training to see the real victim, their real pain, their real fear, their real loss of self, security and safety. Some of these women and men stayed with us through counseling or staying sheltered in our safe house for months. Others were of more brief encounters, using our help to navigate the legal system for restraining orders, obtaining legal counsel, some counseling, but because they had a support system outside their relationship, they had someplace safe to go with people who would support them. Regardless, their stories rang true with an authenticity and palpable pain that could not be hidden with clean clothes, a safe place to be, support and counsel. They all had different stories, from different backgrounds, varying degrees of abuse, different ways of coping. But they all "looked" the same. They couldn't hide fear, loss, having been abused by someone trusted and loved, emotional and physical pain, all of which shaped the person they were and the way they lived. Abuse, from a slap to a brutal assault, changed these women, and men. They had sadly come to realize they had become part of a huge population of victims abused by their partners.

The Arias defense team continued to redefine what an abuse victim looks like, what an abuser looks like, what abuse is and how it affects the abused, the new Arias definition of DV. As that happened, the more preposterous the stories, the more unbelievable the excuses and the more twisted the words and verbal exchanges, we as advocates for real victims saw a difference in our clients. They were more reticent to report the abuse because they were watching live on TV a mockery made of abuse. They saw a cute-sy little drama queen lower her eyes and use a little girl voice to describe the "horrors" of abuse, and they saw her smile, laugh, and mock the same stories when questioned by the state. They saw who was being held up to be the pinnacle of professional experience and knowledge of DV BELIEVE these stories, explain them, paint a picture to the jury, to the world watching, what DV really was, and that Jodi Arias was that victim. Our real victims didn't see themselves in Arias, didn't feel LaViolette was speaking for them. Many felt belittled, confused, angry, and so fearful that they were not going to be believed because this bigger than life expert was lying to the world! They knew many people would be angry at this, able to clearly see through Arias' lies, and that they as real victims would be seen (particularly in our small ultra conservative town) as liars themselves.

So, IMO, someone put on a public stage as an expert with many years of experience and the right buzz words to sound authentic and believable, using their definition of DV in support of a lying murderess, IS a significant concern to the believability and authenticity of "true" experts. I believe LaViolette and Fonseca together set the understanding and education of DV back many, many years, and because of their lies and support and the huge platform they had advantage of, they have done a disservice to other experts who could subsequently be doubted and cast as another of the phony lie for money experts. They put DV and SV and SA back into the dark ages. They used a national stage to twist the reality of DV to fit the overt lies of a murderess, and they have IMO given some people reason to resist the opinions of true experts because these fools have distorted what an expert witness is. Rant over!

 

[LinasK]

Dang, I missed Juan dropping the camera in the first trial. Was he standing when he dropped it, or was he crouching (as Arias said she was ) and dropped it from less than a foot off the ground to illustrate minimal/no damage?

I mean it wasn't a hot potato. She didn't fumble it up into the air like a field goal kicker trying to throw a pass.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000146968/Garo-Yepremian-attempted-throw

Love your signature. Two of my favorites, and things Jodi will never ever have again!!!

 

[pacnwgal]

Well, I'm sure once the videos are released, watching her testimony will be just as excruciatingly tedious and maddening as ALV's.

That is one spooky simulation.

It is spooky! Yikes! IIRC didn't some of the tweeters comment that their voices were almost identical as well?

 

[Myvice]

I hope the jury has picked up on the number of times the DT has said that JA really didn't realize she was being abused by TA and that Deanna and Lisa were also victims but they just don't realize it.

To me, it just makes the jump of "she just snapped" that much harder to swallow.

I think the DT fights the BPD DX not only because JA can't handle being less than perfect, but it doesn't allow the DT to blame JA's actions on TA. TA has to be the catalyst or the jury may be afraid JA may run into someone else that tries to leave her.....resulting in JA taking another "vicious pedo" off the planet for mankind.

 

[pacnwgal]

The only time I ever questioned Juan (in the trial we could see) was when he dropped the camera. I thought that was a bit over the top. In retrospect I realized this camera was in evidence, had gone through a washer, was not useful to anyone except to Juan in that moment. He was able to demonstrate how he could drop a camera and although startling (sic?) it was not enough to enrage someone to attack or murder. (IMO)

and it didn't take 45 seconds to hit the ground