Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #4

[YESorNO]

Troy Hayden @troyhaydenfox10 · 9m 9 minutes ago
#JodiArias atty Nurmi will no doubt object to opening statements being broadcast, but judge says she will allow if he agrees.

 

[krkrjx]

What about those 4 urgent motions Nurmi filed? The secrecy in this case just leads to so much confusion. :facepalm:

The crime was hideous and depraved and the secrecy shrouding this trial is an abomination.

How do we ensure justice for the people, by the people, when the people are excluded?

 

[krkrjx]

Troy Hayden @troyhaydenfox10 · 9m 9 minutes ago
#JodiArias atty Nurmi will no doubt object to opening statements being broadcast, but judge says she will allow if he agrees.

Oh good gravy, she is letting Nurmi dictate again?

(Just remembering the guilt phase and Nurmi's "drop dead" hour when court had to adjourn each day.)

 

[Frigga]

I (for once) hope she doesn't let them be broadcast because surely if JA agrees, there will be some lie, deception or strategy at play with her reason for doing it.
No good reason for Jodi.

 

[cubbeegirl]

Troy Hayden @troyhaydenfox10 · 9m 9 minutes ago
#JodiArias atty Nurmi will no doubt object to opening statements being broadcast, but judge says she will allow if he agrees.

Oh maaaaannnnn.... I read the above post and started scheming in my head how to take the day off tomorrow.....and then there is Nurmi....Big Sigh !

 

[Kensie]

We are almost there to justice.

 

[T-4-2]

Just saw this on case history page, but don't see the motion itself:

10/20/2014 MIL - Motion In Limine - Party (001) 10/20/2014
NOTE: MOTION IN LIMINERECLUDE DR. HORN FROM TESTIFYING REGARDING INCAPACITATION OF MR. ALEXANDER DUE TO LACK OF EXPERT KNOWLEDGE

Darn! When will Maricopa County finally make "expert knowledge of human anatomy" a job requirement for ME's?! Maybe the public defenders could hold a workshop or something, since they have such a keen understanding of the subject.

Or by "lack of expert knowledge" are they referring to Dr. Horn's concession that he was unable to see and document the bullet's actual trajectory due to the degree of decomposition of the brain tissue and so was basing his opinion, as I believe is customary amongst rational human beings who accept well-established laws of physics, on the locations of the entrance and exit wounds? How can he possibly know what kind of anatomical anomalies may have been present in Travis' brain prior to decomposition? How can he possibly know for certain what part of the brain the bullet passed through... or if it even passed through the brain at all? Or what functions may have been impaired? OR for that matter whether or not Travis kept his secret mini-gun that only Jodi knew about loaded with some kind of wacky trick bullets despite having told Jodi that it wasn't loaded at all? Maybe they were zig-zagging bullets. How could Dr. Horn possibly know for certain? Easy: he can't! Clearly the prosecution, which we already know is really just persecution, wants to confuse the jury with what is at best merely "expert assumption." Martinez is taking advantage of the fact that it took so long to discover Travis' body after Jodi was forced to kill him in self defense. It's hardly her fault that there was so much decomposition by the time the ME's office finally got around to conducting an autopsy. When oh when will this blatant miscarriage of justice finally come to an end?

 

[T-4-2]

I do not see the Lord offering Arias a chair. She probably wouldn't even stay long enough to take her coat off.

St. Peter: (checking his clipboard) Hm, let me see... Arias Arias Arias. Nope. I'm afraid you're not on the list. You must have taken the wrong bus. By the way, you won't need that coat where you're going. Now shoo.

 

[geevee]

Darn! When will Maricopa County finally make "expert knowledge of human anatomy" a job requirement for ME's?! Maybe the public defenders could hold a workshop or something, since they have such a keen understanding of the subject.

Or by "lack of expert knowledge" are they referring to Dr. Horn's concession that he was unable to see and document the bullet's actual trajectory due to the degree of decomposition of the brain tissue and so was basing his opinion, as I believe is customary amongst rational human beings who accept well-established laws of physics, on the locations of the entrance and exit wounds? How can he possibly know what kind of anatomical anomalies may have been present in Travis' brain prior to decomposition? How can he possibly know for certain what part of the brain the bullet passed through... or if it even passed through the brain at all? Or what functions may have been impaired? OR for that matter whether or not Travis kept his secret mini-gun that only Jodi knew about loaded with some kind of wacky trick bullets? Maybe they were zig-zagging bullets. How could Dr. Horn possibly know for certain? Easy: he can't! Clearly the prosecution, which we already know is really just persecution, wants to confuse the jury with what is at best merely "expert assumption." Martinez is taking advantage of the fact that it took so long to discover Travis' body after Jodi was forced to kill him in self defense. It's hardly her fault that there was so much decomposition by the time the ME's office finally got around to conducting an autopsy. When oh when will this blatant miscarriage of justice finally come to an end?

All JSS has to do is read back to Willmott some of the questions JW asked Dr. Horn, raise her eyebrows and inquire if she needs her to actually say the word 'Denied'.

 

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Interesting. On a completely different board there is a poster who insists that DA's offices do not consult with the victim's families on important decisions like the DP (or in the case being discussed elsewhere, plea deals). And of course they do. Thank you for sharing your situation; it's another example of exactly how the DA's offices do work with or at least consider the feelings and wishes of the victim's family in these situations.

One murder we had in our family, the ADA told us that they were going to ask for a lower conviction, because" maybe he had a bad day". I spoke with the DA and told him nope, that wasn't going to happen.

He killed his aunt, who raised him , he said in self defense. He beat a very big woman with bad knees and who could barely walk, on back of her head with a large marble candle base, and stabbed her repeatedly in the back. He bragged about killing her to friends that night, and the next afternoon wanted my16 year old niece, 6 months pregnant, to go with him to find her dead. The police were waiting when they drove up, and they arrested him.

So we go to trial with a new DA, and she got us a guilty verdict, then it went into the penalty phase , and the jury found out that he'd been in the state mental hospital when he was 16, and that he had just got out of a two year stay in the Dallas co. jail for stealing from his aunt, using her credit cards etc, and had been out 16 months and was facing charge of stealing a motorcycle in Collin co, and his aunt had bonded him out in February, and he murdered her three months later on Mothers Day 1989. They were out four hours, the only question they asked was what is the difference between life and 99 years. The judge told them he couldn't tell them, so they came back with 99 years. The jury came out and spoke with us and the DA and asked why they didn't seek the death penalty. She told them that she didn't think the jurors would give him death , he had just turned 21 during trial.


He was eligible for parole in 14 years, but now has a life with no parole, after stabbing a table mate one night at dinner.

 

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Troy Hayden @troyhaydenfox10 · 9m 9 minutes ago
#JodiArias atty Nurmi will no doubt object to opening statements being broadcast, but judge says she will allow if he agrees.

We really need to be careful here. Remember last year before Jodi got on the stand? I ,and others ,were praying oh please Jodi get on the stand, then after eight days of Jodi on the stand I was close to getting on my knees and asking for her to stop.

 

[T-4-2]

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IT IS ORDERED granting the Motion and directing the Clerk of the Court to seal the State’s pleading entitled Objection to Defendant’s Motion to Strike the Death Penalty Due to
Continued State Misconduct, not to be unsealed absent further Order of the Court. All as set
forth in the formal Order signed by the Court October 10, 2014 and filed/entered on October 10,
2014.

Could someone please help me understand the significance, implications, and/or ramifications of this motion?

• DT says there's been continued misconduct by the State. (Has the Court ever agreed?)
• DT says that because of this continued misconduct, the death penalty option should be stricken. (If the Court finds that there really has been "Continued State Misconduct," wouldn't this be grounds for a mistrial rather than grounds for altering sentencing options?)
• The State objects, wants the death penalty to remain an option.
• The State wants the particulars of its objection to be sealed by the court.
• The court agrees.

How does it benefit the State to have its objection sealed?

 

[T-4-2]

Wow. Is it possible for HLN to get more irrelevant? I tuned in a little bit ago thinking they might have an update about the re-trial. They actually had a segment called "get to know your hosts". Really? AND.....it came before an Ebola update. Seriously HLN? I think you've officially reached rock bottom.

Lol. You might as well say that Jodi has "officially hit rock bottom."

 

[Tonia]

We really need to be careful here. Remember last year before Jodi got on the stand? I ,and others ,were praying oh please Jodi get on the stand, then after eight days of Jodi on the stand I was close to getting on my knees and asking for her to stop.

So true but if she does get on the stand she just trips herself up over and over so it could be a good thing..

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 2m2 minutes ago

MC Superior Court: Judge will allow broadcast of #JodiArias opening statements if both attys agree. Statements set for tomorrow.

Troy Hayden @troyhaydenfox10 · 9m 9 minutes ago

#JodiArias atty Nurmi will no doubt object to opening statements being broadcast, but judge says she will allow if he agrees.

BBM: lease: lease: lease: for cameras -- even if it is only for "opening statements" !


:seeya: What time is kick-off tomorrow ? TIA !


lease:lease:lease: Justice for Travis !

 

[T-4-2]

But if she's not testifying - who is? We know Alyce LaViolette said she wasn't going to, this time around. I really wonder who else the defense has.

Maybe they finally figured out a way to subpoena God... via His personal revelations to Jodi. That wouldn't be offensive or anything and after all, Jodi did manage to get herself baptized.

"Following baptism, one is confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in a brief ordinance, during which there is conferred the gift of the Holy Ghost. Thereafter, all through life, men, women, even little children receive the right to inspired direction to guide them in their lives—personal revelation! (See Alma 32:23.)"

The devil is in the details of course, but when has Jodi ever read the small print when it's to her advantage that she not do so?

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/10/revelation-in-a-changing-world?lang=eng

(Not LDS, just FGS: Frequent Google Searcher.)

 

[YESorNO]

So true but if she does get on the stand she just trips herself up over and over so it could be a good thing..

BBM Sorry, but I couldn't resist :floorlaugh:

 

[T-4-2]

She gets to direct her defense whether they like it or not.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing that at least nine days out of ten, they do not like it.

PS: GO GIANTS! YES YES YES YES :jumping:

 

[YESorNO]

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Could someone please help me understand the significance, implications, and/or ramifications of this motion?

• DT says there's been continued misconduct by the State. (Has the Court ever agreed?)
• DT says that because of this continued misconduct, the death penalty option should be stricken. (If the Court finds that there really has been "Continued State Misconduct," wouldn't this be grounds for a mistrial rather than grounds for altering sentencing options?)
• The State objects, wants the death penalty to remain an option.
• The State wants the particulars of its objection to be sealed by the court.
• The court agrees.

How does it benefit the State to have its objection sealed?

I don't think it's the state that wants this sealed.

If you read it: "to seal the State’s pleading entitled Objection to Defendant’s Motion to Strike the Death Penalty Due to
Continued State Misconduct", it simply means that the state's objection/answer is being sealed and that is Nurmi's doing, so no one will know how JM
handled this drivel of "continued misconduct".

 

[PenElaine]

Is it sad that I am kinda looking forward to seeing some of the old WS "gang" and, of course, many of the newer - and rather insightful/brilliant/entertaining newbies' posts starting at 10:00 a.m. my time (PST) tomorrow???? It feels wonderful to have such a family of strangers to commiserate with after almost 2 years of praying for justice. I don't know any of you but I'm grateful for finding such camaraderie despite the horrific reason for being together. Thanks.....everyone....