Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 15

[rose222]

Honestly Nali, I think they are going for the "snapped" defense doncha know. I mean c'mon it was Travis' physical and emotional abuse along with his child *advertiser censored* problem (as a result of being a child of neglect and abuse himself) that caused this totally normal woman who, despite being a victim of childhood abuse herself (albeit to a lesser degree) was driven to the edge of madness and violence, and who of course ended up having Transient Global Amnesia when it came to the vicious and torturous stabbing of her victim. I mean what's a girl to do!!!

Nevermind the mountain of evidence that she with great care premeditated and planned the murder of another human being, did everything in her power to cover up and destroy evidence and hide the fact that she was ever in AZ, had a history of anger, sexual promiscuity, stalking her lovers, emotionally and psychologically abusing people in her life, harming or neglecting animals, a complete disregard for the privacy of significant others, violating anyone's boundaries willy nilly if it served her purposes, pathological lying, physical altercations with her parents, manipulating behaviors from a very early age, and on and on and on. After all, the jury will never hear about those things anyway!!

I simply love your posts, Mindmatters/TXProfessional. :loveyou:

 

[wenwe4]

I remember taking the MMPI test a very long time ago and IIRC there were hundreds of questions and I remember there were times I really didn't know how to answer some of the questions. I couldn't really agree or disagree or decide on some of them. Is that intentional on this test? I wasn't trying to lie but I remember thinking, "there's no answer that indicates "yes, sometimes I do feel that way, but not usually and not always and not never." Like if the MMPI had an essay portion I would have been able to explain my rationale. LOL.

The MMPI is thought provoking and some questions are very difficult. One thing I can say is every question on the MMPI is intentional. I agree with your analysis of how it felt to take that test. Mindmatters mentioned upthread that this is the go to test for personality, it is reliable, research based, and replicatable. But many people with JA's personality traits have taken this same test and been diagnosed. I think the ones that answer more truthfully are wanting valid answers themselves to really identify what maybe going on and start working on change and probably are not facing murder charges compared to ones that are. I think JA's answers are influenced by her upcoming trial(s) in their validity. MOO

 

[Nali87]

Honestly Nali, I think they are going for the "snapped" defense doncha know. I mean c'mon it was Travis' physical and emotional abuse along with his child *advertiser censored* problem (as a result of being a child of neglect and abuse himself) that caused this totally normal woman who, despite being a victim of childhood abuse herself (albeit to a lesser degree) was driven to the edge of madness and violence, and who of course ended up having Transient Global Amnesia when it came to the vicious and torturous stabbing of her victim. I mean what's a girl to do!!!

Nevermind the mountain of evidence that she with great care premeditated and planned the murder of another human being, did everything in her power to cover up and destroy evidence and hide the fact that she was ever in AZ, had a history of anger, sexual promiscuity, stalking her lovers, emotionally and psychologically abusing people in her life, harming or neglecting animals, a complete disregard for the privacy of significant others, violating anyone's boundaries willy nilly if it served her purposes, pathological lying, physical altercations with her parents, manipulating behaviors from a very early age, and on and on and on. After all, the jury will never hear about those things anyway!!

I don't get their strategy! I don't get it! Because how can they claim she "snapped" if they can't dispute the fact that the murder was premeditated (all the way back in Yreka!)!? Premeditation and Snapped just don't go together!

 

[Truth Detector]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 2m2 minutes ago Phoenix, AZ
#Jodiarias had demoralization and depression from that scale #3tvarias

Yet this insecure woman SEEKS out the National media. Yeah right.

De-edification for sure...

 

[Tiger09]

I'm kinda scared/hoping mitigation brings up the dog, cat, and brother.

The cat was fluffy! It asked to be squeezed! Jodi was reminded of the patriarchal chains that insert male name placed upon her so she kicked The Dog. Her brother screamed loudly, so she had to strike him.

On June 4, 2008, Travis Alexander was fluffy, screamed, and held poor Jodi down with his patriarchal chains of oppression. She had to kill him. And stuff. And um sign language. Spanish lessons. Book clubs.

Mitigating factors! 2017!

Please tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Madeleine74]

The MMPI is thought provoking and some questions are very difficult. One thing I can say is every question on the MMPI is intentional. I agree with your analysis of how it felt to take that test. Mindmatters mentioned upthread that this is the go to test for personality, it is reliable, research based, and replicatable. But many people with JA's personality traits have taken this same test and been diagnosed. I think the ones that answer more truthfully are wanting valid answers themselves to really identify what maybe going on and start working on change and probably are not facing murder charges compared to ones that are. I think JA's answers are influenced by her upcoming trial(s) in their validity. MOO

No murder charges or anything illegal in my case, of that I can assure you! ;-D

The test makes you answer even though you may feel a certain way about someone (like a parent) today or lately but if they had asked the question last week or maybe in the next month or so then you might feel more kindly toward them, but maybe not on the day you take the test. LOL. Relationships with people are very complicated as are emotions and I wondered if the test took into account that humans can have conflicting emotions.

I also had the feeling of... OMG these questions get repeated in many different ways over and over and by question #100 I'm thoroughly bored and I still have another 300+ to go?

 

[Hope4More]

Well, I know this is cockeyed optimism, but I'm hoping she's doing this to verify & then charge him with contempt. She did correct JW's attempt to explain away the reason he didn't turn it over, so that's a start? I was actually relieved to hear her come back at JW with that statement, b/c it tells me she does understand at least that much of the issue.

OK. More exactly. JW claimed BN didn't refuse to turn it over this past Friday, that it wasn't turned over because the DT considered it privileged work product.

Work product because Wilmott says only certain parts of (whatever) HD were copied for BN to analyze, therefore turning it over would be revealing strategy .

Note...this is the first time THAT argument came up, yes? And it also refutes what Wilmott is saying out of the other side of her mouth, that JM already has a copy of what BN has.

Sorry, but I don't agree with your optimism. JSS questioned whether or not BN ever said it was NOT work product. That's the audio she wants to hear.

I can't see why BN's opinion on whether or not its work product should matter to the judge. That's a legal question for her to decide. And IMO, whether or not BN said work product or I'm not turning it over is also irrelevant. She's ordered him to turn it over. He hasn't. That isn't very complicated IMO.

 

[Mindmatters]

I don't get their strategy! I don't get it! Because how can they claim she "snapped" if they can't dispute the fact that the murder was premeditated (all the way back in Yreka!)!? Premeditation and Snapped just don't go together!

I think the DT's strategy is simple--KN only needs ONE JUROR, ONLY ONE, to believe the false narrative he has created.JMHO

 

[bsk]

Honestly Nali, I think they are going for the "snapped" defense doncha know. I mean c'mon it was Travis' UNCONFIRMED physical and emotional abuse along with his child *advertiser censored* problem (as a result of being a child of neglect and abuse himself) that caused this totally normal woman who, despite being a victim of childhood abuse herself (albeit to a lesser degree) was driven to the edge of madness and violence, and who of course ended up having Transient Global Amnesia when it came to the vicious and torturous stabbing of her victim. I mean what's a girl to do!!!

Nevermind the CONFIRMED mountain of evidence that she with great care premeditated and planned the murder of another human being, did everything in her power to cover up and destroy evidence and hide the fact that she was ever in AZ, and that she had a history of anger, sexual promiscuity, stalking her lovers, emotionally and psychologically abusing people in her life, harming or neglecting animals, a complete disregard for the privacy of significant others, violating anyone's boundaries willy nilly if it served her purposes, pathological lying, physical altercations with her parents, manipulating behaviors from a very early age, and on and on and on. After all, the jury will never hear about those things anyway!!

Yet another question for AZL... I realize they have latitude to present pretty much anything and everything, but if they do present this "she snapped" nonsense, wasn't that already settled? "She snapped" = "murder-2" (if not manslaughter), so isn't this jury supposed to disregard any notion of "she snapped"?

 

[Truth Detector]

Wow, that circle looks like it was done with an Etch-a-Sketch.

 

[Madeleine74]

You hurt or kill an innocent animal, a pet, an animal that did not hurt you or endanger your life, and I'll vote the DP just for that. Yes, seriously. In that area I am not rational and there's no 2 ways about it. If animal cruelty is involved I cannot be on that jury, can't hear about it, can't read about it.

 

[tandt]

For this Geffen to straight-up say that he questions her truthfulness (my words) means that there were obviously results on this test that not even the most masterful spinner could spin.

The killer is a liar. Period.

 

[tandt]

Yet another question for AZL... I realize they have latitude to present pretty much anything and everything, but if they do present this "she snapped" nonsense, wasn't that already settled? "She snapped" = "murder-2" (if not manslaughter), so isn't this jury supposed to disregard any notion of "she snapped"?

Yes, all of this. Seriously, she's not innocent-until-proven-guilty----- she was found guilty!!! What is this circus for? I seriously can't handle this nonsense.

 

[rose222]

I don't get their strategy! I don't get it! Because how can they claim she "snapped" if they can't dispute the fact that the murder was premeditated (all the way back in Yreka!)!? Premeditation and Snapped just don't go together!

At this point, they don't even care if their arguments are contradictory and nonsensical. They are trying throwing everything against the wall hoping something sticks. They are hoping to confuse and exhaust the jurors.

 

[Frigga]

Well, I think we've all learned something. "Jodi Arias was not an angry person, no more than average." I've got to rethink my whole life & I've only got a lunch hour to do it.

I know really... if that isn't laughable I don't know what is. I tried to resuscitate a dying baby rat found in my backyard and I dislike rats- a lot. I swerve on the road to avoid hitting frogs- almost killed my entire family once. I could not hurt a living being that had eyes to look at me and I DO have anger and feel rage sometimes- not often- but you get my drift. I really dislike this defendant and her minions... and that is exactly what they are, IMO.

 

[Nali87]

I think the DT's strategy is simple--KN only needs ONE JUROR, ONLY ONE, to believe the false narrative he has created.JMHO

I think you're right. He's hoping one juror disregards the instruction to focus on mitigating factors and instead focus on whether or not it was actually that horrible that Arias decided to kill her pedophile/abusive boyfriend.

 

[MeeBee]

OK. More exactly. JW claimed BN didn't refuse to turn it over this past Friday, that it wasn't turned over because the DT considered it privileged work product.

Work product because Wilmott says only certain parts of (whatever) HD were copied for BN to analyze, therefore turning it over would be revealing strategy .

Note...this is the first time THAT argument came up, yes? And it also refutes what Wilmott is saying out of the other side of her mouth, that JM already has a copy of what BN has.

Sorry, but I don't agree with your optimism. JSS questioned whether or not BN ever said it was NOT work product. That's the audio she wants to hear.

I can't see why BN's opinion on whether or not its work product should matter to the judge. That's a legal question for her to decide. And IMO, whether or not BN said work product or I'm not turning it over is also irrelevant. She's ordered him to turn it over. He hasn't. That isn't very complicated IMO.

Am I crazy or does that make no sense? If they're saying Juan already has what they're working with, then how is it revealing strategy?

 

[Truth Detector]

I personally cannot answer this question and it sure is a very valid question, but this was taken from the article:

The MMPI-2 is not a valid measure of a person’s psychopathology or behavior if the person taking the test does so in a way that is not honest or frank. A person may decide, for whatever reasons, to overreport (exaggerate) or underreport (deny) the behavior being assessed by the test.

The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-2 (MMPI-2) contains four validity scales designed to measure a person’s test-taking attitude and approach to the test:

Lie (L) – The Lie scale is intended to identify individuals who are deliberately trying to avoid answering the MMPI honestly and in a frank manner. The scale measures attitudes and practices that are culturally laudable, but rarely found in most people. In other words, people who make these items are often trying to make themselves look like a better person than they really are (or that anybody is). The scale contains 15 items.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/minnesota-multiphasic-personality-inventory-mmpi/0005959

Issues with MMPI-2?

http://tinyurl.com/m3d2lw9

 

[Truth Detector]

You forgot the dog....

The 'Whoredom Email' was my personal 'favorite'.

 

[rose222]

You hurt or kill an innocent animal, a pet, an animal that did not hurt you or endanger your life, and I'll vote the DP just for that. Yes, seriously. In that area I am not rational and there's no 2 ways about it. If animal cruelty is involved I cannot be on that jury, can't hear about it, can't read about it.

I agree. She told Flores that she's incapable of hurting even a spider. This after doing 'something' to her dog and squeezing her cat too hard. And, after the murder she went around telling people that Travis would have wanted her to have Napolean. The poor dog.