Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 35

[Truth Detector]

I'm old enough to remember the dawn of email, and the introduction of PC's into the workplace. I'm too old and disinterested to keep up with the expanding parallel universe of social media.

So, with the Helio and such, I listen for a common sense bottom line. That I can grasp. What registered for me was Dworkin saying the text looked odd. That it looked like it could have been generated by a computer. Enough said.

It was on her phone, and supposedly sent by Travis. If its odd, she's the source. It doesn't take much connecting of dots to go from there to the what and why of it.

The members of the jury will bring their personal knowledge to bear on these issues.

They will weigh the evidence presented and the testimony given.

All jurors will not be able to unring bells. Strike it? Yeah, right.

The more dust that LKN, JW, JA, and their supposed experts throw into the air, the more clouded the facts become.

Livestreaming gave us facts about evidence and testimony as it was presented to the jury.

Trial reporting by Tweet?

Nothing but imperfect conveyances of the impressions of a handful of those appointed by JSKS to tell you what you should think about what they think is important.

 

[Val1]

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Exactly and I wouldn't be surprised if these texts were sent to Mimi since she was the marriage interest at that time. Was TA even in town on May 2, 2008 or was he in southern Cali? Reading his journal for that time period he certainly seems more interested in Mimi having just agreed to go to Cancun with him, a camp out, writing for his blog, etc etc .... then suddenly Mimi loses interest, sounds fishy to me.

 

[kaRN]

No, Hope.

I'll speculate to some extent, but I don't believe it was exhaustively clear.

Why do you think JM wanted Dworkin to testify that pornographic video clips were playable on TA's computer?

So he could play it during closing. My bet is the video is JA selfie *advertiser censored*.

 

[jojo87]

I must be looking at this different to some. I think today was great because it was shown Jodi could have sent those texts to herself. If the jury didn't get that then there's no hope for them. To me the whole *advertiser censored* thing is such a non issue I'm bored and over it and God help the jury they must be thinking snooze. Tweets said notes were being taken until JW got up then hardly any juror was taking notes so to me that shows they are as over the *advertiser censored* as us. Also this guy showed the computer wasn't switched on at 10 o clock and showed that he could only recover the couple of *advertiser censored* pics with a new programe.

 

[garthmax]

I thought the testimony about the helio phone was the user of the phone could have multiple accounts on the phone - there were 2 on the helio (TA & JA). That user could text from any name they had in the account and it would show up with that name at the top. IIRC this testimony came right after the part where DeAnna Reid's name showed up on the computer forensics. I understood this to be that the difference between initial registry on a computer belongs to one name but on the Helio phone you could have a list of names to chose from and Jodi wrote this under TA's name from the Helio.

Why would TA have access to the helio and why would he need an account on it?
Did TA phone (or his carrier) ever confirm these texts came from his phone?
Were these texts only found on the helio? No confirmation from any other sources?
They should show up on both phones if one sent it and one received it . . . unless it was all on the same phone.

Who knows . . . I may be way off in the twitterweeds - just tumbling along.

I agree with you totally. It does not make sense that TA would be on the helio and I would think that there should be confirmation from his phone if in fact he sent that text. But the message does not sound or read like TA other emails. There are to many words CMJA uses and it sound more like her. Especially with the words "muse" "*advertiser censored*" and to many "I"

 

[Hatfield]

BBM

What he appeared to do via Tweet, is to have a Defense expert witness call out his own Prosecution witness for either being incompetent or being dishonest about a pornographic video being on the hard drive and being playable.

Some trial reporting Tweeters concluded that JM lost ground by having Dworkin testify today.

• Steve Krafft ✔ @SKrafftFox10
  
  Dworkin seems a net gain for #jodiarias defense, discussing *advertiser censored* on TA's computer. Why did prosecutor call him? #fox10phoenix
• 4hMike Watkiss ✔ @mikewatkiss3tv
  
  Martinez called Dworkin but doesn't seem to be helping State's case-def objected to Dworkin's return but seem to help "*advertiser censored* issue"#jodiarias

So what's the truth?

I think trial report by Tweet means that we're all just guessing even more than if the trial was livestreamed.

Significantly more...

This is JMO and please no stones anyone, as I love Juan and I know he is trying his best, but today is a good example of where I think he gets caught up in the details without helping us understand what we just heard.

We have enough people who were present in the trial to also say this. The courtroom tweeters were present and Ziggy even was hoping it was clearer to the jurors.

Juan knows his stuff and he digs into the details to prove things, but the 1 thing I have constantly wished he would do better is hammer home in simple lamens terms what the main points were. I feel he sometimes leaves me (and the jury) left to figure out what we just heard.

At the end of all the good points, he somehow needs to summarize for us in simple terms what we just heard, instead of assuming we all caught it.

As further proof that he lacks in this area, we have had people here say constantly....."just wait till Juan bring up so + so" OR "just wait till Juan gets to his closing".

Im sorry, but NO, the jury cannot wait. It has to be done while the witnesses are testifying. It needs to be a simpler summary for us.
Especially on days like today when the subject matter is very complex.

With that said, Im glad he is the prosecuter to fight the DT on this case. Another prosecuter may have not been able to do as good as he is doing. I just hope the jury is getting it.

 

[Truth Detector]

Jodi said in original trial that they could not get photos to load. That was a virus. But not sure how this fits in....

Call me Captain Obvious, but JA is a liar.

I never believed two words she said about June 4, 2008, and I'm not sure I still believe one now.

 

[Myvice]

I agree with those that think this was an excellent day for the state.

JM got it out there that there's a chance that JA sent this to herself. That's all he needs to suggest that we have no way of knowing how many other texts she wrote to herself. And this came from the defense witness.

He was also able to prove his case on the prosecutorial misconduct and take that issue off the table as far as appeals, I would think. I can't imagine the appeals court finding 6-10 pics and 45 minutes of *advertiser censored* enough to allow a new trial. The defense is trying to use this to prove the TA/T-Dog theory put JA over the edge. This happened 4 days before she slaughtered him and she wasn't even around!

Dworkin said he used a different software when he was playing the videos so it still doesn't discredit the states witnesses. The state said they only used encase so they weren't lying. It was just that Dworkin used a different software. The person that was discredited was pseudo. He said pseudo used unapproved software and D also said the computer didn't come on at 11pm on the day the defense checked it out.

I think that's a great winning day. I think the tweeters are disinterested at this point and just don't care anymore. JMO

 

[Tiki]

This is one thing JW does that makes me :gaah:

"LD says he doesn't know if this was sent or received. But JW takes him through the fact the phone was JA's. She asks LD to assume TA sent the text."

Then she proceeds as if whatever the assumption was is fact.

 

[garthmax]

So he could play it during closing. My bet is the video is JA selfie *advertiser censored*.

I am thinking it probably is CMJA on the video and pictures but why did JM not bring it up. Maybe he didn't know for sure. What I don't understand, is all the years TA had that computer the only *advertiser censored* found was during a specific short time period. If he really was into *advertiser censored* the computer would have shown much more. And the bigger issue was NO child *advertiser censored*. So if CMJA was hoping to be granted an appeal on this issue it has been discussed over and over again. Consider this your appeal CMJA. I can't see an appeal granted because this was missed during the first trial.

 

[Myvice]

This is JMO and please no stones anyone, as I love Juan and I know he is trying his best, but today is a good example of where I think he gets caught up in the details without helping us understand what we just heard.

We have enough people who were present in the trial to also say this. The courtroom tweeters were present and Ziggy even was hoping it was clearer to the jurors.

Juan knows his stuff and he digs into the details to prove things, but the 1 thing I have constantly wished he would do better is hammer home in simple lamens terms what the main points were. I feel he sometimes leaves me (and the jury) left to figure out what we just heard.

At the end of all the good points, he somehow needs to summarize for us in simple terms what we just heard, instead of assuming we all caught it.

As further proof that he lacks in this area, we have had people here say constantly....."just wait till Juan bring up so + so" OR "just wait till Juan gets to his closing".

Im sorry, but NO, the jury cannot wait. It has to be done while the witnesses are testifying. It needs to be a simpler summary for us.
Especially on days like today when the subject matter is very complex.

With that said, Im glad he is the prosecuter to fight the DT on this case. Another prosecuter may have not been able to do as good as he is doing. I just hope the jury is getting it.

IMO, if JM were to elaborate on the points he's making at the time he makes them, it just gives the defense a chance to come back and muddy the waters. Once he has in the transcript that Dwokin thought this text may have been copy/pasted from a computer, he can use that in his closing and the defense can't do anything to refute it. I hope he hammers his points home in closing and leaves no question as to where he was trying to lead them.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm open to hearing opinions that Dworkin was a bad idea for JM overall. You're right, Twitter conveys not so very much.

The two tweeters you cite, though, IMO are in the pack of least informed and sloppiest of those covering the trial. I don't give their take much weight.

On the other hand, I've never seen JM blunder on trial strategy and I don't believe he did so today. My guesses about his thinking could well be entirely wrong, but I don't believe he erred in calling Dworkin. To the contrary.

Completely agree about these two, especially Steve Kraft, who only seems to be good for keeping a sidebar count these days. He has constantly placed more importance on the *advertiser censored* stuff and has constantly misunderstood it. So Willmott dredged up *advertiser censored* for the millionth time. And? It was there, Juan acknowledges it. So it's not like Willmott had any bombshells in bringing it up and Juan doesn't really seem too concerned about it anymore. So Lonnie confirmed there was *advertiser censored*. Hey, so did Brown and Smith.

 

[krkrjx]

I'm open to hearing opinions that Dworkin was a bad idea for JM overall. You're right, Twitter conveys not so very much.

The two tweeters you cite, though, IMO are in the pack of least informed and sloppiest of those covering the trial. I don't give their take much weight.

On the other hand, I've never seen JM blunder on trial strategy and I don't believe he did so today. My guesses about his thinking could well be entirely wrong, but I don't believe he erred in calling Dworkin. To the contrary.

Agree! Based on what I have seen throughout this retrial...those two tweeters have shown themselves to be for the most part, clueless.

 

[ShadyLady]

Call me Captain Obvious, but JA is a liar.

I never believed two words she said about June 4, 2008, and I'm not sure I still believe one now.

Not saying I believe her. That is what she said. Maybe Juan is just trying to set a trap if she tries repeating the story she told at the last trial.

 

[Truth Detector]

I must be looking at this different to some. I think today was great because it was shown Jodi could have sent those texts to herself. If the jury didn't get that then there's no hope for them. To me the whole *advertiser censored* thing is such a non issue I'm bored and over it and God help the jury they must be thinking snooze. Tweets said notes were being taken until JW got up then hardly any juror was taking notes so to me that shows they are as over the *advertiser censored* as us. Also this guy showed the computer wasn't switched on at 10 o clock and showed that he could only recover the couple of *advertiser censored* pics with a new programe.

What JM appeared to try to do today I've been squawking about for months.

Why would either side simply concede that the tens of thousands of instand and email messages exchanged were all composed by their presumptive authors?

That's not a rhetorical question.

The Defense might concede if their client is the one doing all the spoofing.

But the State?

I never understood this and still don't.

I would prefer to believe that this tactic isn't too little too late, but Twitter leaves me guessing.

Ziggy needs to tell me that she saw light bulbs over the jurors' heads, or today will just leave me scratching mine.

 

[garthmax]

I would have liked to hear from a linguistic person to see what their opinion would be on the text on who could have written it.

 

[ZoeyW]

Gotta say..Travis never wrote that. I have two sons, three brothers. Men can talk nasty. But they do not write like that. That's totally JA.

I concur. Hearing Dr. Hiatt say that Travis knew of her sending texts from his phone pretending to be him, texts saying how pretty she was and complimentary things.....it just scary. Now that I think of it, maybe that is why Juan didn't call the very credible Dr , father figure of Travis to the stand. When one hears stuff like that it could make one wonder was she really operating on all four cylinders.We need the jury just seeing her as evil , not ill . I agree with you, that does not sound at all like how Travis was speaking to her on that long tape. He was not calling her names like *advertiser censored*, he was calling her honey. http://youtu.be/MZjAtOGdGN8

 

[Truth Detector]

Completely agree about these two, especially Steve Kraft, who only seems to be good for keeping a sidebar count these days. He has constantly placed more importance on the *advertiser censored* stuff and has constantly misunderstood it. So Willmott dredged up *advertiser censored* for the millionth time. And? It was there, Juan acknowledges it. So it's not like Willmott had any bombshells in bringing it up and Juan doesn't really seem too concerned about it anymore. So Lonnie confirmed there was *advertiser censored*. Hey, so did Brown and Smith.

And JM got in that there was video *advertiser censored* alright, but it wasn't playable.

Until today, when the Defense successfully(?) made it look like JM tried to play fast and loose with the *advertiser censored*.

Or was that just Twitter?

 

[krkrjx]

Completely disagree with this post.

I hope you know I'm OK with that.

:seeya:

 

[MeeBee]

And JM got in that there was video *advertiser censored* alright, but it wasn't playable.

Until today, when the Defense successfully(?) made it look like JM tried to play fast and loose with the *advertiser censored*.

Or was that just Twitter?

Yeah...that doesn't really seem like a huge deal to me. It's not like Juan hid it. It was there. There was a minor inconsistency on whether it was playable or not. Again, at this point the jury probably doesn't even care.