Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 36

[pinkandgreenmom]

I would love to know what the cutting edge issues/treatments were in the field of psychology when Geff was in school. I bet those ideas are laughed at today.

 

[Amster]

So....Wilma....did you report Dr. D to any ethics board?

 

[Spycraft]

Anyone here have factual information about this? I've tried finding answers but it seems to come down to personal preference rather than these dreaded "ethical violations." Anybody here know for sure?????
ETA: When I was a supervising professor for student teachers, those students were called "preservice" teachers because they had not GRADUATED from the ed program yet. Any resumes or questions about their experience were answered, properly, that they had X number of years as a preservice teacher prior to graduation. While most successful graduates immediately applied for and received their teaching licenses, some waited until they took additional summer courses for more experience, traveled and worked with other teachers throughout the state and far beyond, again to get more experience and ultimately decide if they wanted to pursue a more specific licensure (like special education, ESL, behavioral programs etc.). At that time, PRE LICENSURE, they would often say in response to how much experience they had, the number and amount of experience they had which could include time full time volunteering, and in some cases working in school settings where licensure wasn't required to teach such as some private educational settings, tutoring, teaching out of the country........etc.

After receiving their Bacherlors degrees, a lot of teachers would work toward their masters or specialized programs prior to applying for licensure. Many of those taught with me and other faculty, as teaching assistants at the college, and many would teach in area schools as full time assistants to specific teachers in order to gain more expertise, experience, or merely to get a broader range of experience that comes from teaching with so may different teaching styles and in a broad range of school settings from rural to inner school.

I would consider those as having had a TON of experience prior to being a licensed teacher and it was NOT unethical to say that prior to graduation they had X number of terms as a preservice teacher and post graduation they had X number of years experience. They had graduated the education program, some with masters degrees, so they were teachers in the sense they successfully completed and graduated from the education program, and through our department they had been recommended for licensure. However, they hadn't applied for licensure. Had they answered they had X number of years as a licensed teachers, that would absolutely be wrong. But answering X number of years pre-graduation and post graduation would be answering ethically and honestly.

Am I just floundering in the weeds wondering the differences here, or is there truly an ethical guideline that Geffner is citing, or is it more like Dr. Hayes cleared up during surrebuttal that SOME psychologists would cite their pre-licensure experience and some wouldn't. More as a personal preference. PLEASE.......any body really know, or know someone credible to ask....or where to find the info??
TIA

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 8s 9 seconds ago
Geff- if a student said they were practicing before a license it could get them kicked out of the program for ethics violations #jodiarias

 

[josie1986]

@TrialDiariesJ: Geffner says Jodi told him of the trauma's he didn't suggest what they were #jodiarias #3tvarias

And I am really dating Christian grey.... :floorlaugh:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 6s 7 seconds ago

sidebar #jodiarias #3tvarias

:judge: #2

 

[geevee]

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Geffner says #JodiArias experienced at least 2 domestic violence instances, choking & day of murder.

 

[elementary]

Yes, there most certainly are dumbazz but what Dr. DeMarte testified correctly to is that the test results were worthless, useless, irrelevant because YOU Dr. Geffner used the test other than for it'\s intended purpose hence the test is invalidated on it's face :gaah:

Yes, this is more than misdirection, it's a lie on the DT's part. DeMarte never argued about validity SCALES. The DT is so brazen, shows such contempt for the jury.

 

[Hope4More]

Anyone here have factual information about this? I've tried finding answers but it seems to come down to personal preference rather than these dreaded "ethical violations." Anybody here know for sure?????
ETA: When I was a supervising professor for student teachers, those students were called "preservice" teachers because they had not GRADUATED from the ed program yet. Any resumes or questions about their experience were answered, properly, that they had X number of years as a preservice teacher prior to graduation. While most successful graduates immediately applied for and received their teaching licenses, some waited until they took additional summer courses for more experience, traveled and worked with other teachers throughout the state and far beyond, again to get more experience and ultimately decide if they wanted to pursue a more specific licensure (like special education, ESL, behavioral programs etc.). At that time, PRE LICENSURE, they would often say in response to how much experience they had, the number and amount of experience they had which could include time full time volunteering, and in some cases working in school settings where licensure wasn't required to teach such as some private educational settings, tutoring, teaching out of the country........etc.

After receiving their Bacherlors degrees, a lot of teachers would work toward their masters or specialized programs prior to applying for licensure. Many of those taught with me and other faculty, as teaching assistants at the college, and many would teach in area schools as full time assistants to specific teachers in order to gain more expertise, experience, or merely to get a broader range of experience that comes from teaching with so may different teaching styles and in a broad range of school settings from rural to inner school.

I would consider those as having had a TON of experience prior to being a licensed teacher and it was NOT unethical to say that prior to graduation they had X number of terms as a preservice teacher and post graduation they had X number of years experience. They had graduated the education program, some with masters degrees, so they were teachers in the sense they successfully completed and graduated from the education program, and through our department they had been recommended for licensure. However, they hadn't applied for licensure. Had they answered they had X number of years as a licensed teachers, that would absolutely be wrong. But answering X number of years pre-graduation and post graduation would be answering ethically and honestly.

Am I just floundering in the weeds wondering the differences here, or is there truly an ethical guideline that Geffner is citing, or is it more like Dr. Hayes cleared up during surrebuttal that SOME psychologists would cite their pre-licensure experience and some wouldn't. More as a personal preference. PLEASE.......any body really know, or know someone credible to ask....or where to find the info??
TIA

DM didn't do anything unethical. Saying she did is just this DT's MO.

 

[josie1986]

@TrialDiariesJ: Willmott says the State covered up with a piece of paper Geffner's notes describing #jodiarias symptoms that she told Geff about #3tvarias

 

[Hope4More]

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Geffner says #JodiArias experienced at least 2 domestic violence instances, choking & day of murder.

Residual doubt.

 

[geevee]

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 2m2 minutes ago
One of the trauma's #JodiArias focused on was day of murder, not that she killed #Travis but what he did to her.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 24s 25 seconds ago


Geffner says that during an interview with Martinez,

Martinez walked out of the room when he tried to explain how he administered tests.

Why is this unsubstantiated statement allowed in front of the jury? AZL?

 

[ShadyLady]

I see KN was lying about Geff not being available until the 28th. Wonder how many times he lied before about this to get a delay without being called on it.

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This trial has exposed the whole underbelly of the so called "experts" for me.

I would like to see some liability for their lying in court. Are their conventions all about how to make money by nefarious means and not being held responsible for their lies??

 

[dog.gone.cute]

From MK:

Michael Kiefer retweeted
Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 2m 2 minutes ago

Willmott says the State covered up with a piece of paper Geffner's notes describing #jodiarias symptoms that she told Geff about #3tvarias


Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 8s 8 seconds ago

Geffnner insists that #jodiarias reported two instances of domestic violence. He claims Martinez doesn't understand the tests.

 

[josie1986]

@TrialDiariesJ: Jodi told Geffner about what Travis did to her the day of the murder #jodiarias #3tvarias

@TrialDiariesJ: Jury isn't taking notes but they seem engaged listening to Geffner talk #jodiarias #3tvarias

 

[ElleElle]

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 6s 6 seconds ago
Geffner says it's obvious there are validity scales on this test #jodiarias #3tvarias

Yes, and in order for those validity scales to work the person taking the test must not lie about the "event".

 

[bettybaby00]

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 2m2 minutes ago
One of the trauma's #JodiArias focused on was day of murder, not that she killed #Travis but what he did to her.

It's always about the murderess isn't it

 

[Amster]

@TrialDiariesJ: Willmott says the State covered up with a piece of paper Geffner's notes describing #jodiarias symptoms that she told Geff about #3tvarias

Well, then move the piece of paper, Willmott!! :banghead:

 

[geevee]

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 2m2 minutes ago
#JodiArias said she was scratching #Travis but stopped because she didn't want to hurt him. This is day of the murder.
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The day of the murder?

 

[elementary]

@TrialDiariesJ: Willmott says the State covered up with a piece of paper Geffner's notes describing #jodiarias symptoms that she told Geff about #3tvarias

Another motion for prosecutorial misconduct coming up?