Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[Elainera]

Are ground controllers for the plane able to see that a weather system would be at 30k-55k feet? That is what is being reported as the top of the system; the system basically topped off at 55k feet. So, saying it was "unusual" for them to take this course might not be too far out to say. Several people on CNN have stated there is no way the plane would clear that, for obvious reasons.


Also, news reports are now saying one passenger was an energy executive traveling with his 2-year old child.

That's right. The plane was at 32,000 ft and requested to go up to 38,000 ft to avoid stormy weather. If the system went as high as 55,000 ft this could be considered an 'unusual' request.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Thanks CARIIS voice of reason :seeya:

 

[CARIIS]

I thought they flew above the storms too.

Most of the time they can, but this was instense weather going up to 55, 000 feet. This aircraft's flight ceiling is like 39000. I think they found themselves stuck, with no way out

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/252539/

 

[CARIIS]

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Planes in the area at the same time

Would be neat to see this area 24 hours earlier to see what kind of area avoidance was happening then!

 

[fruity]

there is an excellent explanation regarding hail and storms at the following link.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-traffic-control/story-fnizu68q-1227168427005

 

[CARIIS]

You can see alt speed throughout the flight here:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qz8501/#5240449

 

[Elainera]

So is there a chance that people are still alive? Could the pilots have managed to go down in a controlled manner and now float on the ocean?

 

[skibaboo]

BBM...

does this mean air control lost contact with ALL planes that were/are flying at the lower elevations?

or just the one that is missing?

:waitasec:

I think it would be all planes. I love fightradar24, a little too much There are quite a few 'black' spots that their radar doesn't cover. I get an alert on my phone when a plane declares an emergency (sqwark 7700) and the times I have seen a little red plane drop off the radar and my heart is in mouth until it pops up again a few seconds, and miles later.

 

[CARIIS]

Just got caught up and I have cnn on *( let's face it, cnn loves missing planes ) . They have not said one word about a crashed plane report or anything of the sort. So were the earlier reports of debris / wreckage untrue? unfounded? hoax? TIA

They after that startted buzzing about the officials said no wreckage has been found!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

A MAN who had a lucky escape after cancelling his flight aboard the missing AirAsia jet wept as he recounted his conversation with one of the passengers shortly before the flight.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...qz8501-passenger/story-fnizu68q-1227168882126

RELATIVES of the pilot who was flying AirAsia flight QZ8501 have described him as a “caring man” as the search for the plane continues.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...was-a-caring-man/story-fnizu68q-1227168915021

• AirAsia flight QZ8501 airborne 42 minutes then vanishes off radar 7.24am local time
• Pilot requested ‘unusual route’ due to bad weather conditions
• Flight never arrived in Singapore: Massive search and rescue mission starts
• Australia, Singapore offer Indonesia offer support in hunt for flight.
• Search to resume this morning

THE massive search for AirAsia flight QZ8501 will resume at 10.30am after being abandoned last night because of bad weather.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-traffic-control/story-fnizu68q-1227168427005

Stories from this mornings main online news site in Australia.

 

[skibaboo]

Why the Search for Missing AirAsia Flight Is Different From MH 370

The disappearance of an AirAsia jetliner off the coast of Indonesia immediately brought comparisons to the missing Malaysian Flight MH370, which disappeared during a flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing last march.

One major difference between the two flights is that the presumed location of the AirAsia Airbus A320-200 is in the relatively shallow waters of the Java Sea, as opposed to the deep waters of the Indian Ocean, where MH370 disappeared.

 

[CARIIS]

AirAsia had never had a fatal accident in its 20-year-long history.

plane took off with 8,296 kg of fuel, substantially more than the planned consumption for the flight - 5211 kg. That makes sense weather was not ideal!

delivered to AirAsia, Malaysian budget airline, in October 2008 and had since carried out 13,600 flights.

undergone its most recent scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014.[SUP][8][/SUP] The aircraft is powered by two CFM International CFM56-5B6 engines and is configured to carry 180 passengers.[SUP][17][/SUP]

Status : Written off
Last Registration : PK-AXC

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a320-3648.htm

 

[sherbetjello]

“For the other plane to be flying at 150 knots faster ground speed at that altitude, there is a strong indication that the Airbus speed was low, but we need to look into that further,” he said.

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-airasia-missing-plane-search-20141228-story.html#page=1

 

[panthera]

Hmm, I wonder about that. When hail hits our cars we can still drive unless its' really huge hail and breaks a window. But ( this is where science comes in and its' not my strong suit, so forgive me in advance ) hail comes down from high above and gets heavier and heavier as it travels earthward right? SO would hail that high up be having any real weight with it enough to make a hole in the plane? I just ran this theory past my kids . They think that the planes speed of 3 or 400 mph would still mean that hail , even small, could be a factor. However, I would think across the world that we would know if hail was taking down planes. It would seem a common occurrence . It's got to be hailing somewhere near planes every few days , right? Pardon the ramble.

Also thought of a large cell of hail that perhaps "froze" the engines, however, weren't other aircraft in that area also, and if so, why didn't they also get hit? I still believe this is weather related and am leaning toward a lightening strike disabling the aircraft. Could that be possible?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[CARIIS]

Final radar track shows missing aircraft reached 36,300 ft but was only flying at 353 kts which seems low (notice the nearby Emirates flt 409 jet at 36,000 is flying at 503 kts).

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which would be congruent with being close to stalling the plane...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The longer it goes without seeing any wreckage, the more reason to compare the two missing planes regardless of how deep the ocean is where they went missing. I have never been convinced the other plane ever made it to the southern area where the searches have been conducted.

For the families' sakes, I hope they do find this plane and there is a logical explanation for the sudden loss of contact easily determined. I cannot imagine what they are all going through and the fact there were 17 children aboard this flight compounds the grief and despair. So very sad.

 

[skibaboo]

AirAsia had never had a fatal accident in its 20-year-long history.

plane took off with 8,296 kg of fuel, substantially more than the planned consumption for the flight - 5211 kg. That makes sense weather was not ideal!

delivered to AirAsia, Malaysian budget airline, in October 2008 and had since carried out 13,600 flights.

undergone its most recent scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014.[SUP][8][/SUP] The aircraft is powered by two CFM International CFM56-5B6 engines and is configured to carry 180 passengers.[SUP][17][/SUP]

Status : Written off
Last Registration : PK-AXC

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a320-3648.htm

BBM, you know that always makes me nervous. Recent maintenance, it should be the opposite but I have seen it happen a lot, something wasn't done right... I do not think that is the case here though.

 

[trigger]

Thanks CARIIS voice of reason :seeya:

I second that!

 

[CARIIS]

If this plane hasn't crashed, it seems like quite the coincidence that another plane has lost contact with ATC in the same general area as MH370. And that this plane is also a large plane. If I am not mistaken, AirBuses are the largest passenger jet are they not? Not to mention, AirAsia is an affiliate of Malaysian Airlines.


They all make models that vary in size and configuration. This flight was operated by a single aisle airplane. Airbus does make the free worlds biggest jetliner A380 – but this is a small aircraft for medium length routes. Very popular aircraft in terms of sales. The series began in 1984.


What manufacturers do is make the plane, test run etc. Then instead of making another whole new design they modify the existing one, adding seats, more economical engines, stretching fuselage, etc etc. That is called a derivative of the initial model. They then designate em by a dash


Boeing does it a bit different than Airbus but its the same thing.


The 737
then when they modify if it becomes
737-200
then 737 -300 – this one is a derivative of the initial


Airbus does the same thing – make derivatives – they go in this instance A318, A320


then they did a whole different new plane
The A340
etc


The A380 is the biggest one in the free world.


In aviation (they are running em about 30 years now days) she was a young child!

 

[ilovepierre]

I have a good feeling this plane will be found when searches resume!

raying: