Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[Elainera]

Ok, rescue operation have resumed in the Java Sea, CNN says now.

Day 3. I wish them all the luck they can get!

 

[Niner]

Suspicious objects sighted 160 km SW of Pangkalan Bun .. the red dot on this map ... but they are about 1120 kilometres from the location where the plane lost contact, a long way away. The plane would not have gone straight down, surely, if this is wreckage - even if it has been tossed around by wild seas.

As per SBS (reliable Aust. govt-funded media).
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/12/29/australian-plane-spots-objects-sea

Would it not be great if they found the wreckage of MH370, as these objects are so far from the location of flt 8501?

 

[Hatfield]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lBUf4HbIa8

GO to 19:20 for the start of the reneacment of what went on inside TWA 800 as she fell apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbny8XnAifY

WOW. Thanks Cariis for the link. It is very realistic and upsetting to watch.

 

[Hatfield]

I was just talking to one of our Pilot's. No blame should be credited to ATC - apparently trying to climb out of a thunderstorm is almost impossible. He also mentioned that - skirting around the storm may have been an option. Also this aircraft was full of fuel which would enable them to return to their origin. Now they would have been heavy with fuel and their maximum landing weight would be exceeded which would mean that they could always dump fuel. This Pilot was saying he was in a similar situation one night flying over bass strait they made the decision to return. Pilot's will always carry enough fuel for contingencies and always have an alternate on their flight plan. A lot of our Pilot's said he shouldn't have been in that situation, whereby within in a minute or so after being told he can ascend to losing contact with ATC. Pilot's should be always thinking ahead. MH370 is always bantered around the old crew room. Majority of crew would have thought if it had landed in one piece then sunk to the lowest part of the indian ocean the fuesalage would have imploded immediately.

Thanks for the info from the pilots. That makes the most sense to either go around if possible or just head back to the airport and wait for better weather.

The radar map from the CNN weather guys showed how quickly the larger storm that seemed to be behind the plane grew into a gigantic storm and then quickly subsided and fell apart almost as quick as it formed. There was a smaller storm right in front of the plane and it looked nasty too.
Its amazing how fast storms can grow and then fall apart. I suppose that was one of the pilot's issues is that the storm probably formed on him very fast.

Most people have never been in very severe turbulance of the kind the pilot was probably trying to avoid. I have read some pretty scary stories of people that were not buckled in flew up and hit their heads on the ceiling. That is probably the type of severity of the turbulance the pilot was dealing with and trying to avoid.

 

[nrdsb4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lBUf4HbIa8

GO to 19:20 for the start of the reneacment of what went on inside TWA 800 as she fell apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbny8XnAifY

Yikes, thanks, but no. If I were to watch that, I'd probably never get on a plane again. And there are too many wonderful places I want to see.

I used to work trauma ICU. If some of you saw what a car can do to a human being, you'd probably think twice about ever getting into one.

I really hope they get answers soon. This must be the worst torture for their families. I can't even begin to think about what families of the still lost other plane are going through.

Sigh...Life is hazardous to your health.

 

[restarea]

Officials confirmed that smoke has been spotted on an island in the search area. No more details yet, its being investigated.

 

[ilovepierre]

However, if what we have heard is correct he started climbing ANYWAY.
We have been told he was at 32K.
However the last radar allegedly shows him at 36K.
If that information is correct... he was in such a bad situation that he climbed despite the danger of other aircraft. :twocents:

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures!
IMO

 

[Peliman]

Tomnod releasing satellite images for crowdsourcing. For those interested, check the page link.

Satellite imagery of the area where AirAsia flight QZ 8501 went missing has been released by Tomnod, the online crowdsourcing arm of satellite service DigitalGlobe, and already users are reporting suspected debris sightings.

It follows the service announcing on Sunday it was "tasking" — or assigning — DigitalGlobe's satellites in order to collect imagery of the area of interest where the missing flight stopped communicating with air traffic control.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...leased-satellite-imagery-20141230-12fd7t.html

 

[ilovepierre]

Officials confirmed that smoke has been spotted on an island in the search area. No more details yet, its being investigated.

I hope this is the plane!
The families need answers!!

 

[CARIIS]

The exchange between ATC and pilot, it explains why he was at 34 which cnn made like the capt messed up or deried!


On Monday night, state navigation operator AirNav Indonesia revealed the last communication the pilot of flight QZ8501 had had with air traffic control officials at Surabaya airport.
The plane had left Surabaya in eastern Java at 05:35 on Sunday (22:35 GMT Saturday) and had been due to arrive in Singapore at 08:30.
Wisnu Darjono, AirNav safety director, said Captain Iriyanto, 53, requested permission to turn left at 06:12 to avoid a storm. The request was immediately granted and the plane changed course.

According to AirNav, the pilot then asked to take the plane from 32,000ft (9,800m) to 38,000ft but did not explain why he wanted to do so.
After speaking to their counterparts in Singapore, Indonesian air traffic control staff told the pilot he could take the plane to 34,000ft but no higher because another AirAsia airliner was flying at 38,000ft.
"It took us around two to three minutes to communicate with Singapore," Mr Darjono said. "But when we informed the pilot of the approval at 06:14, we received no reply."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30626734

 

[sherbetjello]

Looks like after those 24-hours, Tomnod has their satellite images.

Satellite imagery of the area where AirAsia flight QZ 8501 went missing has been released by Tomnod, the online crowdsourcing arm of satellite service DigitalGlobe, and already users are reporting suspected debris sightings.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...leased-satellite-imagery-20141230-12fd7t.html

Here is the campaign:

http://www.tomnod.com/campaign/airasiajava2014/map/2tixry4f

 

[KEVINinTO]

Officials confirmed that smoke has been spotted on an island in the search area. No more details yet, its being investigated.

CNN now reporting this as well. If in fact this is the missing aircraft it should not take very long to get confirmation. Given the options this would probably be the best outcome and offer the possibility that there could be survivors.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Further info from CNN: Smoke is on "long island" south of Belitung Island

 

[CARIIS]

The pilots son died the week before the crash.

Suwarto saw his son Iriyanto last week at the funeral of another of his sons who died of diabetes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30622140

 

[CARIIS]

Capt and first officer

Images

 

[CARIIS]

Yeh I found one I wanted to see how many planes were around the flight at the time!

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cap...F29%2Fworld%2Fasia%2Fairasia-jet.html;990;740

The newspaper Kompas in Indonesia quoted Mr. Djoko as saying that the plane’s request to divert from its flight path had been approved but that air traffic controllers had denied the request to ascend to 38,000 feet “because of traffic.” He did not elaborate.

Media reports also described the pilot as a fan of motorcycles and a devoted member of his local mosque. He had previously worked as a pilot at Adam Air, a troubled Indonesian airline with a poor safety record. The Kompas newspaper quoted the pilot’s cousin as saying Captain Iriyanto moved to AirAsia after Adam Air shut down in 2008.

AirAsia waited more than four hours to announce on its Facebook page that the aircraft was missing. The airline did not explain the delay.
Here is FB
[h=2][Updated statement] QZ8501[/h]
December 27, 2014 at 9:23pm
https://www.facebook.com/notes/airasia/updated-statement-qz8501/10152667884908742

 

[angela]

CNN now reporting this as well. If in fact this is the missing aircraft it should not take very long to get confirmation. Given the options this would probably be the best outcome and offer the possibility that there could be survivors.

That would be absolutely amazing! I hope this isn't a rumor.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Report: Smoke spotted in area searched for missing AirAsia plane

By TRISNADI MARJAN and MARGIE MASON

The Associated Press

SURABAYA, Indonesia —


BREAKING NEWS: CBS News reported that smoke was spotted on Belitung Island after the search resumed Monday evening — Tuesday morning in the search zone. The report was confirmed by the director of Indonesia’s search and operations team, according to CBS.

http://www.kirotv.com/ap/ap/top-news/indonesian-official-prospects-bleak-for-missing-je/njcDM/

 

[Hatfield]

Further info from CNN: Smoke is on "long island" south of Belitung Island

I hope this is it.

 

[emirates1957]

Thanks for the info from the pilots. That makes the most sense to either go around if possible or just head back to the airport and wait for better weather.

The radar map from the CNN weather guys showed how quickly the larger storm that seemed to be behind the plane grew into a gigantic storm and then quickly subsided and fell apart almost as quick as it formed. There was a smaller storm right in front of the plane and it looked nasty too.
Its amazing how fast storms can grow and then fall apart. I suppose that was one of the pilot's issues is that the storm probably formed on him very fast.

Most people have never been in very severe turbulance of the kind the pilot was probably trying to avoid. I have read some pretty scary stories of people that were not buckled in flew up and hit their heads on the ceiling. That is probably the type of severity of the turbulance the pilot was dealing with and trying to avoid.

That's when the boys up the front earn the big money. Three types of turbulence mild, moderate and severe. Severe being when Pilot's cannot see their instrument panel (doesn't happen all the time). I have seen passengers being flung out of their seats and hitting their head on the ceiling panelling. Going through a thundery whilst standing up in the cabin - would result in broken bones.