Ron C. #7

[lonetraveler]

IMO If I was O I would of ran fast as I could away from the media etc after the black man story came out. Also he is not RC best friend, his best friend has not been named in the media so can't go there. JMO

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Please don't make me find the link at this late hour, but I did read today that Ron had stated that He didn't have friends and he didn't have enemies, he tended to stay to himself. I could probably find it tomorrow, remind me in the morning if you need it.

 

[mysticrose]

LOL I deleted it, but you caught me. I didn't want to start anything up...just wanted to mention this.

I posted almost the exact same thing a few posts back..lol

 

[Busylady]

I can delete if you want, I think it is an excellent post and something to consider.

LOL I deleted it, but you caught me. I didn't want to start anything up...just wanted to mention this.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Very good point!

ETA: That could also explain the quick he is cleared - to later he is not cleared (after he lawyered up).

It could also explain why Misty's family was talking about it...because LE never considered keeping them in the inside loop and telling them to keep it quiet. They could have been upset that anything was said to the media. This sounds more like an FBI tactic and suggestion than the PCSO to me.

 

[Busylady]

You don't need to take time to search for a link, I recall hearing the same thing.

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Please don't make me find the link at this late hour, but I did read today that Ron had stated that He didn't have friends and he didn't have enemies, he tended to stay to himself. I could probably find it tomorrow, remind me in the morning if you need it.

 

[lonetraveler]

LOL I deleted it, but you caught me. I didn't want to start anything up...just wanted to mention this.

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It has always been a big question mark to me on how Joe could have been cleared so quickly. I did find a link today where LE had changed their statement from him being cleared to noone being cleared. ?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Consider that the FBI would have been handling the JO part of the investigation due to the out of state situation. If PCSO made the statement about him being "cleared" and didn't clear it themselves with the FBI...I could see why they may have retracted it later. Or the FBI set it up to say he had been cleared on purpose and the statement saying no one was cleared was said without considering JO so should not have been made by PCSO.

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't know what the situation is with the messing with her. I don't know if they had discussed it and came to terms with it or what. But IMO it doesnt make a dang bit of difference if he was the same age as she was, "messing" with someone is wrong regardless of age. I know you don't care for Misty but it is this kind of attitude that prevents people from reporting sexual assaults JMO

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Busy, I do not see where age makes any difference when it comes to sexual assault. I am confused as to why he would even attempt to go around her. Was he aware, do you know, of how she feels about him? I am a very strong advocate for victims of sexual abuse, women or children.

 

[Whisperer]

Perhaps you're right. I don't imagine that Ron was in a position to hold some sort of threat over JO as a non-physical means of getting his gun back; JO would counter with threats of his own most likely. Is it fact that this gun was taken from Ron's MH?

I don't know much about guns... don't like 'em personally. You said "pistol" ...... does anyone know if this gun is small enough to easily hide in someone's clothing? If someone were running with the gun on them, could the gun have become dislodged and fallen into the ditch without this person realizing it at the time?......assuming the ditch is a earthen ditch, not a concrete ditch.

Welcome aboard.:wave:

You got passed by in the rush of the fingers....sorry.

There are so few facts, sometimes you just have to work with what you have.

I do not know if any gun was taken at all. This is Misty reporting and it gets through many ears and lips before it gets out to the web.

Unlikely that a gun would fall out of pants w/o person knowing it, unless they were out of their mind on alcohol or drugs.

 

[lonetraveler]

LOL I deleted it, but you caught me. I didn't want to start anything up...just wanted to mention this.

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I was a bit taken aback that Ron was coming out with a different story than Misty. I would assume that they were talking about possible perps.

 

[Busylady]

I have no clue what the situation was, if he was aware of how she felt about it, if she had told anyone about it at the time. If she had put it in the back of her mind to make peace in the family (unfortunately this does happen all too often) and then Haleigh going missing she lets it spill. We just don't have enough information about it. Sexual assault is a very touchy subject for me, and I tend to get very upset when people attempt to put it back on the victim or somehow try to justify the assault.

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Busy, I do not see where age makes any difference when it comes to sexual assault. I am confused as to why he would even attempt to go around her. Was he aware, do you know, of how she feels about him? I am a very strong advocate for victims of sexual abuse, women or children.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm going to have to say goodnight. I didn't realize how late it is. I really need my beauty sleep, hah. I'll check in tomorrow. thanks for the discussion.

 

[lonetraveler]

I have no clue what the situation was, if he was aware of how she felt about it, if she had told anyone about it at the time. If she had put it in the back of her mind to make peace in the family (unfortunately this does happen all too often) and then Haleigh going missing she lets it spill. We just don't have enough information about it. Sexual assault is a very touchy subject for me, and I tend to get very upset when people attempt to put it back on the victim or somehow try to justify the assault.

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I would never do that.

 

[mysticrose]

Goodnight all...I'm going to be gone for a few days heading to the mountains for some cool weather, maybe we will hear something and find Haleigh by the time I get back! You guys are great at what you do...but you knew that already...lol

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by Flowanda
Perhaps you're right. I don't imagine that Ron was in a position to hold some sort of threat over JO as a non-physical means of getting his gun back; JO would counter with threats of his own most likely. Is it fact that this gun was taken from Ron's MH?

I don't know much about guns... don't like 'em personally. You said "pistol" ...... does anyone know if this gun is small enough to easily hide in someone's clothing? If someone were running with the gun on them, could the gun have become dislodged and fallen into the ditch without this person realizing it at the time?......assuming the ditch is a earthen ditch, not a concrete ditch.

Oh, My! Where are my manners?! Thanks, Whisper, for bringing her post back up.

Welcome to WS, Flowanda~

If the gun was in a jacket pocket, it could easily have fallen out while running through a ditch. Perhaps the person stumbled a bit or even fell which could have caused it to fall out without noticing it was missing until later. If it were stuck inside his pants, probably not.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have no clue what the situation was, if he was aware of how she felt about it, if she had told anyone about it at the time. If she had put it in the back of her mind to make peace in the family (unfortunately this does happen all too often) and then Haleigh going missing she lets it spill. We just don't have enough information about it. Sexual assault is a very touchy subject for me, and I tend to get very upset when people attempt to put it back on the victim or somehow try to justify the assault.

I think that is a likely scenario.

 

[Whisperer]

<<I know you don't care for Misty but it is this kind of attitude that prevents people from reporting sexual assaults JMO>>

OT:

I have worked and listened to sex offenders and the details of their horrific crimes for years, so I am a little sensitive that you would suggest such a thing.

My thoughts about M have nothing to do with the way JO was presented to the media. Misty's words were taken w/o any introspection. It gave all the impression that he was a sexual predator. His age was not given. When she was a child; he was also a child. Petting, etc happen more often than we think, even with relatives. It may have been nothing but kids just fooling around or it could have been nothing. We don't know.

Misty has let this out and at a most opportune time. Makes my ears perk up again.

 

[atherella]

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I have heard that he was a best friend but then again I can't remember where I heard it so I'll just shut up on that one. How soon did "O" leave the scene before the wedding? Wasn't this before the "black man took Haleigh story"? I think so. However, I don't blame him for leaving the scene since he was the only black man around Ron.

We had this conversation about "O" and the possibility about him leaving due to "black man in black" story hitting the media in the theories thread.

That said, Junior spoke to LE first thing in the morning on the 10th. He was interviewed by 2-3 child specialists (I'm unsure of their qualifications - psychologists, therapists - I'm not sure what to call them) right away, therefore, if Junior really saw a "black man in black", I'm sure LE was aware of what Junior saw right away. The media didn't become aware of it until Crystal shared the story, and then put Junior on national tv. That doesn't mean there weren't whispers starting around town if the story was starting to spread - it is a small town, afterall. If I were "O", I'd get the heck out of there! If you look at the pictures of Tent City - there sure weren't a lot of "black" men. That is one bus I would NOT want to get tossed under!

I just hit google to see when I could find the first stories of this hitting the media.

February 24th
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html

Haleigh Cummings' little brother told police a man dressed all in black snuck into her room and snatched the 5-year-old Florida girl from her bed, a TV news Web site reported.

(This story appears to be before it morphed into a "black man in black")

All the articles seem to be on February 24th and 25th.

Ron and Misty were married on March 12th, IIRC.

Just because "O" wasn't around Tent City doesn't mean he and Ron weren't friends and he wasn't still in contact with him. We really don't know - we've just heard rumors. I try to remind myself with all rumors in this case, a majority of them have proven to be untrue.

 

[kamky]

We had this conversation about "O" and the possibility about him leaving due to "black man in black" story hitting the media in the theories thread.

That said, Junior spoke to LE first thing in the morning on the 10th. He was interviewed by 2-3 child specialists (I'm unsure of their qualifications - psychologists, therapists - I'm not sure what to call them) right away, therefore, if Junior really saw a "black man in black", I'm sure LE was aware of what Junior saw right away. The media didn't become aware of it until Crystal shared the story, and then put Junior on national tv. That doesn't mean there weren't whispers starting around town if the story was starting to spread - it is a small town, afterall. If I were "O", I'd get the heck out of there! If you look at the pictures of Tent City - there sure weren't a lot of "black" men. That is one bus I would NOT want to get tossed under!

I just hit google to see when I could find the first stories of this hitting the media.

February 24th
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html


(This story appears to be before it morphed into a "black man in black")

All the articles seem to be on February 24th and 25th.

Ron and Misty were married on March 12th, IIRC.

Just because "O" wasn't around Tent City doesn't mean he and Ron weren't friends and he wasn't still in contact with him. We really don't know - we've just heard rumors. I try to remind myself with all rumors in this case, a majority of them have proven to be untrue.

Very level-headed comments, Atherella! Thank you.

I agree with you completely on the rumors and think that almost all of them should be discounted. We haven't been given many facts in this case, which has caused a widely diverse set of strong opinions. We have been trying to put the behavior of Ron and the other parties under a microsope when the only view that we really have is the 5000 foot level. I just hope that LE gets the break they need to locate and rescue this little child and then I'm sure we will get all the details that they have been withholding. At that point, I'm sure that this case will become fascinating beyond all we have imagined.

 

[raeann]

My take on it is that he isn't afraid what she is going to say will be "too much", but that he gets upset because Misty doesn't do a very good job of communicating what she is trying to say. The reason I feel he gets upset and tense is due to his true affection for her and not wanting the world to see her in a bad light. He gets frustrated that she can't communicate well and it is why we see him help her from time to time.

People may see it as him being controlling her or putting words in her mouth, but I see it quite differently. I see it as he loves her and wants to make things easier for her so he coaches or helps her get the points she is trying to make across. IMO, he knows she is stressed and nervous. He is only trying to help her out of love and concern and is not doing it to shut her up in any way (imo). He wants her to speak up and encourages her to answer for herself, but he wants to protect her at the same time...again...IMO.

I could see this as a possibility, except for the fact that he GLARES at her, impatiently corrects her, totally contradicts her, and appears as if he is about to jump up and start punching people in many of the interviews. If he was concerned about her, he would put his arm around her, hold her hand, say to the interviewer "she is very upset about this, perhaps I could answer that for you" etc, etc. INSTEAD, he rarely looks at her or even gets NEAR her except when he gives that death ray glare.

I see the difference more as he is completely unsure of her, not her loyalty, but her ability to think on her feet about what the answers SHOULD be to fit their story. When she is talking about something that she actually KNOWS about, she is animated and easily expresses herself with little or no nervousness toward the cameras. The difference in the interviews where TN or another family member is present could be attributed to the fact that he either knows them better, trusts them more, OR that their actual knowledge of what happened is so minimal that he has less fear that they even COULD say something to damage him.