Ron C. #8

[SeriouslySearching]

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

Detectives are building a timeline including anyone who had contact with Haleigh during that time. Bowling described the repeated questioning sessions as a normal part of a major investigation.

http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/27/Haleigh+Cummings+new+stepmother+not+cleared BBM

This means LE aren't questioning the time BEFORE those 8 hours!! They are ONLY concerned with the time period of 7:00pm-3:00am unless you can come up with another 8 hours Bowling is describing in this quote.

 

[atherella]

Shoot, lone. That is what I remembered as well. Absolutely no confirmation as to what the AC man saw or didn't see. Guess that will have to remain an unknown in your time line. IIRC, the only published reports of an non-family member eyewitness Haleigh sighting that afternoon were those of the neighbors who saw her get off the school bus at about 3:45. Others have stated that they heard a HLN report on tv about a neighbor sighting later that evening, but that report has not been located. Some would include that sighting in a timeline, others would not.

Marie also mentions in an interview that HaLeigh was seen outside playing that evening. IIRC, she says it was around 5pm. I may have the time wrong, though.

 

[lonetraveler]

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

Detectives are building a timeline including anyone who had contact with Haleigh during that time. Bowling described the repeated questioning sessions as a normal part of a major investigation.

http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/27/Haleigh+Cummings+new+stepmother+not+cleared BBM

This means LE aren't questioning the time BEFORE those 8 hours!! They are ONLY concerned with the time period of 7:00pm-3:00am unless you can come up with another 8 hours Bowling is describing in this quote.

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Do you know if GMSykes has been polygraphed? Because I believe at the time that LE was talking about the "eight hours in question" concerning their interview with Ron, LE was basing the start time of the "eight hours in question" on the time that GMSykes said that she last saw Haleigh (around 7:00 pm). I can see where this statement could be interpreted as an "eight hour work period" for Ron. I also have interpreted this statement coupled with Ron's statement about working for "eight" hours that night. It would definitely put to rest all of the assumptions if LE could just make a press release and rule out certain things. I would help tremendously in narrowing down the "time of opportunity" for Haleigh disappearing or Haleigh being harmed. Well, I guess we just have to wait until LE gives up something. You would think that something as simple as confirm the actual start time and end time of work for Ron would help in tips that might come in.

 

[lonetraveler]

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

Detectives are building a timeline including anyone who had contact with Haleigh during that time. Bowling described the repeated questioning sessions as a normal part of a major investigation.

http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/27/Haleigh+Cummings+new+stepmother+not+cleared BBM

This means LE aren't questioning the time BEFORE those 8 hours!! They are ONLY concerned with the time period of 7:00pm-3:00am unless you can come up with another 8 hours Bowling is describing in this quote.

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A lot of time has passed since this statement was made. I know that I can not say that LE is not concerned about a certain time in this case. I don't think anyone is certain (except for LE themselves) that any time has been rules out.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Marie also mentions in an interview that HaLeigh was seen outside playing that evening. IIRC, she says it was around 5pm. I may have the time wrong, though.

Thank you. I was "speaking" about non-family member eye-witnesses. Marie is neither.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

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A lot of time has passed since this statement was made. I know that I can not say that LE is not concerned about a certain time in this case. I don't think anyone is certain (except for LE themselves) that any time has been rules out.

So we are to believe they would just go back on that statement they made when at that point they said they were satisfied? If they had checked everything out during the 8 hours THEY felt were in question and was satisfied that Ronald was evidently where he said he was...why would they change it?! Did they not do an adequate job at the time? Were they neglect in saying they were satisfied only to become dissatisfied later? I think you lost me here.

Bowling states it to be a fact in this article so why continue to question his word about it?

 

[atherella]

Thank you. I was "speaking" about non-family member eye-witnesses. Marie is neither.

Well, who do you think told Marie that HaLeigh was seen playing outside by neighbors? IMO, seems likely it was the neighbor that actually saw her outside. Neighbors are not family members.

Do I know that as a fact? Nope. But, it seems to be common sense.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Well, who do you think told Marie that HaLeigh was seen playing outside by neighbors? IMO, seems likely it was the neighbor that actually saw her outside. Neighbors are not family members.

Do I know that as a fact? Nope. But, it seems to be common sense.

Or someone who heard it from a neighbor, or somone who heard it from someone else who heard it from a neighbor, etc. We don't know. We can speculate, ofcourse, but we don't know. I wouldn't add this to a timeline based upon speculation. But, I would note the possibility of a neighbor sighting.

 

[lonetraveler]

So we are to believe they would just go back on that statement they made when at that point they said they were satisfied? If they had checked everything out during the 8 hours THEY felt were in question and was satisfied that Ronald was evidently where he said he was...why would they change it?! Did they not do an adequate job at the time? Were they neglect in saying they were satisfied only to become dissatisfied later? I think you lost me here.

Bowling states it to be a fact in this article so why continue to question his word about it?

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I think they were doing as they should and check out stories based upon their interviews with the nearest relatives. That was about four months ago. Maybe they haven't changed their status on Ron's where abouts at this time, maybe they are still investigating whether or not the story of GMS (told a week after Haleigh was reported missing) is accurate or not? We really don't know, do we. As for Bowling? I read his site, his opinon is just that, an opinion just like ours are.

As for your question about LE doing an adequate job at the time? No, I think they botched the investigation from the very beginning. The crime scene was not adequately controlled and don't even get me started on the bed linen being pulled out on the ramp for the dogs to sniff or about the "search" of the dumpster after the cadaver dogs alerted.....I don't have time to explain this right now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

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I think they were doing as they should and check out stories based upon their interviews with the nearest relatives. That was about four months ago. Maybe they haven't changed their status on Ron's where abouts at this time, maybe they are still investigating whether or not the story of GMS (told a week after Haleigh was reported missing) is accurate or not? We really don't know, do we. As for Bowling? I read his site, his opinon is just that, an opinion just like ours are.

As for your question about LE doing an adequate job at the time? No, I think they botched the investigation from the very beginning. The crime scene was not adequately controlled and don't even get me started on the bed linen being pulled out on the ramp for the dogs to sniff or about the "search" of the dumpster after the cadaver dogs alerted.....I don't have time to explain this right now.

According to the article he is a "senior sheriff's official" and is listed as Major Gary Bowling. I don't consider his opinion to be "just like our's" since he would be privy to inside information.

Yes, I agree they did botch the search initially. No question there. However, I don't see how this affects LE being satisfied with Ronald's interviews and the "8 hours in question" in ANY way. You don't need to explain anything to me as I have a pretty darn good handle on it, imo.

 

[lonetraveler]

I've copied my prior post because I'm still looking for two things:

1. Confirmation that the 9mmm Beretta was confiscated by LE on the night Haleigh went missing.

2. Whether or not the mh had a landline phone and answering machine that uses those little white cassettes. Another poster has commented that Item #1 on the police report could've been the cds the kids were watching. Still mulling over that one....


07-23-2009, 10:04 AM
Shaymus at The Rock
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I am looking at the Property Section of the LE Report and see that Item #1 was coded Recordings (Tapes, CDs, Cassettes) and that a white item in that category was confiscated. The form also has 5 places to describe any weapon that was taken.

Weapon Type:
Weapon Desc:
Weapon Caliber:
Barrel Length:
Full Automatic Firearm:

All of these places to describe a weapon are blank.



So, I have three questions:

1. Are 9mmm Beretta's ever white ?

2. Why would a 9mmm automatic handgun be listed in the Recordings (Tapes, CDs, Cassettes) category ?

3. If Item #1 wasn't the Beretta, what Recording was it ? Maybe a cassette from an older telephone answering machine ? Do we know if Ron's mh had a landline phone ?



ETA: http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/ima.../13/putnam.pdf

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Shamus, I wish I could remember the article I read that said the LE had returned Ron's 9 mm to him because they did not think that he was a threat. This was just after PDM had informed him that they did not have his job available to him and they had called law enforcement to be near in case Ron came to visit them (in a heated moment). However, the article did not state when they took the gun..........After I eat the barbequed pork tenderloin, potato salad, butterbeans, fresh corn and sliced tomatoes, I might find it for you. or I may have to take a nap. ..........

 

[Whisperer]

<<Marie also mentions in an interview that HaLeigh was seen outside playing that evening. IIRC, she says it was around 5pm. I may have the time wrong, though.
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How in the world would Marie know if they were playing outside or not; her source of information, again, is WHO? That is information told to her by.........fill in the blanks.

I am taking bets on TN or Misty...any takers?

 

[Whisperer]

Shaymus, regarding those machines with little white tapes; I think we can pretty much rule them out. They were in vogue before Misty and maybe RC were born.

 

[Whisperer]

<<<Lonetraveler I do not mean this in a mean way at all, but you have me LOLROF. Are you serious?,,,,,,,,,,,There is a thread on the A/C repair man. It will help you with those QA.>>>>


I was unable to thank you for your post due to lace of buttons, THANK YOU, LT!
It deserves repeating:

"OK, I just read every single post on the Air Conditioning Repair Man thread. No where did I see a statement from the AC man. I also did not see where he had many any comment whatsoever concerning his time at the mh checking on the ac. However, I did see where people really wanted to see the AC man's statement so that several questions could maybe be answered. There are comments regarding the fact that LE had interviewed the ac man and were "satisfied" with his statements. At this time, I can attest that there is no information out there regarding what the AC man heard, saw or overheard while he was maintaining the AC system. Whatever LE learned from this man is being "held close to the vest" as we have heard over and over again on this case. I did learn that one of the posters actually knows the AC man and he was on vacation in the Carribean just after Haleigh's disappearance. There is also alot of speculation that the AC man may have opened the door to access the thermostat and heating system. No where did I see that he saw Haleigh during that visit, or anyone else for that matter. Misty claims to have let him in to do what he had to do and that she and the children stayed outside. There is the chance that this time is when Misty's brother was visiting with the children. That also may be assumption. That is all I learned.

 

[Whisperer]

Is RC covering for Misty. Did he ask her about the movies?..were there really two separate tapes of Air Buds and Madagascar in the VCR? Did LE confiscate only one tape (from player?)? ON the police report, it states one tape recovered from Ron's MH. Are people saying that it was a recording tape from an answering machine?

 

[lonetraveler]

Is RC covering for Misty. Did he ask her about the movies?..were there really two separate tapes of Air Buds and Madagascar in the VCR? Did LE confiscate only one tape (from player?)? ON the police report, it states one tape recovered from Ron's MH. Are people saying that it was a recording tape from an answering machine?

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Whisperer, you may have solved this little white tape thingy. I don't remember movies being on a little white recording thing. Does anyone know if Ron had a landline? Or used just cell phones like a lot of people do nowdays?

 

[texasmommy39]

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The truth is that LE is satisfied with eight hours. No where have I seen that LE is stating that Ron worked the entire ten hour shift. I thought this was the Ron C. thread. Maybe that is why Ron is being discussed on this thread. Sorry you're burned.

Mincing words doesn't make it mean something different. The fact that LE has stated they where satisfied with Ron's work scheadual that eavening means 10 hr shift 4:30pm- 3:00am.
The timeline that was in question for LE is from 7pm to 3am= 8hrs
(GGsykes Last saw the kids at 7 pm)
The timeline that LE is focused on is within this time frame and they stated they are satisfied with Ron's work alibi during this timeline 7pm - 3am.
This is unbelievable that we are debating the meaning behind LE statements.
LE does not have to clarify this misunderstanding that many seem to be under.

 

[Whisperer]

Texas says:

<<Mincing words doesn't make it mean something different. The fact that LE has stated they where satisfied with Ron's work scheadual that eavening means 10 hr shift 4:30pm- 3:00am.>>
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Apparently mincind and slicing words are a speciality around here.

Police said nothing of the sort. They never, once said RC worked his entire shift...others here have sliced the sentence up to fit on a sandwich of RC is innocent and was at work from 4:00 to 3:00.

To you this matter of him being at work and the LE saying he was seems to be what this is about. LE did not, EVER say he was at work for his whole shift (if his shift was more than 8 hours)

Unbelievable you say? Nothing unbelievable at all....it is done all the time..people put their own spin to fit an agenda...they want RC at work for a full shift; a full shift was not discussed by LE. Eight hours were the words used. If they wanted to say we know RC was at work for 10/11 hours, that is what they would have said

There is no reason to debate any more than eight hours. LE stated they are satisfied with the eight hours in question. There are people extending the EIGHT hours to fit their theory.&#9824;

And to add salt to the wound, RC himself said he worked 8 hrs...I guess we are going to have people, once again, telling us that is not what he meant to say.

 

[Whisperer]

We don't know if had a landline. An easy way to find out is to see what kind of service he had for his computer....DSL or cable..if DSL, he had a land line.

Can you give me the link for the police report please? I need to see the part stating what they recovered from the house.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

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Shamus, I wish I could remember the article I read that said the LE had returned Ron's 9 mm to him because they did not think that he was a threat. This was just after PDM had informed him that they did not have his job available to him and they had called law enforcement to be near in case Ron came to visit them (in a heated moment). However, the article did not state when they took the gun..........After I eat the barbequed pork tenderloin, potato salad, butterbeans, fresh corn and sliced tomatoes, I might find it for you. or I may have to take a nap. ..........

LOL I have to take a nap now, too.