Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #4

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Because he is not allowed to accuse or even imply an individual as a suspect. He knows the law, it would be highly prejudicial, unethical and unfairly target someone through a media platform. Bezzina knows better. It could ruin the chances of prosecution and it could hinder current strategy from legitimate serving LE. He's a FORMER homicide detective. Its not his role to announce suspects and he may be wildly off base and get sued for defamation by a member of the public for mentioning someone who fits that actual role within a family structure. Imagine the media frenzy, that person or there may be several who could fall in that category would have no peace from media, they may even suffer physical threats and violence from citizens going off half-cocked and taking things in to their own hands.

I know it.

That is why I said he used an euphemism.

And my answer was directed to a poster who asked why he did not write "former partner/husband".

I hope I made myself clear.
I would hate to be misunderstood again.

It is advisable to follow the whole exchange in order to understand that it was a "rhetorical question".

JMO
 
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My understanding is that the implication was that last years assault was most likely perpetrated by a person who was mentally unwell and disorganised in their attack (ie., bare footed attacker), whereas the impression provided Re profile of Samantha’s possible abductors is that her disappearance was carefully planned and orchestrated so as to try to leave no traces (ie.. completely different mindset and method)
No woman should be assaulted or abused in the streets or in a home or in the bush while she's running, we all feel for that lady who was assaulted whilst you was running in the bush we are so glad that she's still alive to tell a story, normal people don't know what someone goes through in this situations for women and the attacker we can't put ourselves in their shoes the person who attacked it was obviously very ill only someone with a degree could probably tell us why he did not kill her, or rape her ,or kidnap her, and made her disappeared, or maybe one of the wildest theories out there maybe that attack planned a year ago was planed , with this disappearance in mind to this to throw detectives off the scene. Because we're so much people searching ,how come they haven't found a homeless person in the bush , where did the homeless person go someone must have known there was a homeless person in the bush or mentally disturbed person, if not ,you plan a murder you plan some type of evidence of other attacks to throw the Detectives off the scene.
 
No woman should be assaulted or abused in the streets or in a home or in the bush while she's running, we all feel for that lady who was assaulted whilst you was running in the bush we are so glad that she's still alive to tell a story, normal people don't know what someone goes through in this situations for women and the attacker we can't put ourselves in their shoes the person who attacked it was obviously very ill only someone with a degree could probably tell us why he did not kill her, or rape her ,or kidnap her, and made her disappeared, or maybe one of the wildest theories out there maybe that attack planned a year ago was planed , with this disappearance in mind to this to throw detectives off the scene. Because we're so much people searching ,how come they haven't found a homeless person in the bush , where did the homeless person go someone must have known there was a homeless person in the bush or mentally disturbed person, if not ,you plan a murder you plan some type of evidence of other attacks to throw the Detectives off the scene.
There must be evidence from Ranges or people working in the forest of a homeless person
 
Could he have been hinting at the (distant?) relative with the AVO against them? I'm sure I initially read that the Murphy's had taken out an AVO against a relative.
I understood from a post yesterday that the AVO was taken out against the Murphy's. Now I am confused. Is the AVO against the Murphy's or taken out by the Murphy's. Does anyone have a link that can clear this up, please?
 
I understood from a post yesterday that the AVO was taken out against the Murphy's. Now I am confused. Is the AVO against the Murphy's or taken out by the Murphy's. Does anyone have a link that can clear this up, please?
This is a link to the paraphrased article that was published, and then later removed …..


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I agree with the idea that "family member of sorts" most likely refers to in-laws. ie, someone in the family, but not related genetically. But why did he say it anyway? If he knows something, he shouldn't be dropping hints to the public unauthorised. And "could be involved" means nothing by itself, she "could be involved" with the Ku Klux Klan, or a bikie gang, or the local Embroiderers Guild. I could be involved with marine research, or Arctic exploration, or a drug ring. I'm not, but I could be. The possibilities are endless. I really doubt if CB knows any more than we do.
 
I understood from a post yesterday that the AVO was taken out against the Murphy's. Now I am confused. Is the AVO against the Murphy's or taken out by the Murphy's. Does anyone have a link that can clear this up, please?.
My understanding - AVO would be for a family member.
If it is not a family member it would be ‘ a personal safety order ‘

Against them both ? That doesn’t sound right ? 2 seperate orders ?
Oh dear , are we sure about this AVO .
It doesn’t sound good & might confirm my theory
 
My suspicions are that the Police are asking about information around damage to a vehicle not because they have cctv of a vehicle with damage entering the area, nor because they have any evidence of a damaged vehicle at all.

I think they are asking because they think there is a possibility Samantha may have been hit by a vehicle either intentionally or not and there would be clear signs of this in the form of damage.
It seems that hit by a vehicle is a line of enquiry as Major Collision Investigation Unit detectives were involved in the search last Friday.

"While the 'targeted search', which oddly included members of Victoria Police's Major Collision Investigation Unit, turned-up nothing, it provided headline news across the country that day."

Some information from VicPol's website Specialist roles and areas for police officers | Career options | Major units | Victoria Police

Major Collision Investigation Unit (MCIU)
The Major Collision Investigation Unit (MCIU) attend and investigate fatal and life-threatening vehicle collisions. This includes incidents where:

  • there is evidence of drug use, excessive speed, alcohol consumption, fatigue, distraction or similar offending by a surviving driver
  • a Victoria Police employee (on or off duty) was driving a vehicle involved
  • an on-duty employee or a police vehicle was involved
  • the collision resulted from a police pursuit
  • the collision is a hit and run
  • three or more fatalities resulted from the collision.
 
But why did he say it anyway? If he knows something, he shouldn't be dropping hints to the public unauthorised. And "could be involved" means nothing by itself, she "could be involved" with the Ku Klux Klan, or a bikie gang, or the local Embroiderers Guild. I could be involved with marine research, or Arctic exploration, or a drug ring. I'm not, but I could be. The possibilities are endless. I really doubt if CB knows any more than we do.

Yep.

It was unwise to say it.
Or rather - hint something.
It is obvious that such statement will generate rumours and speculations.

Vide - our discussion ;)

JMO
 
I thought this question had been raised previously - can't find it ATM.
IIRC a Websleuther responded that it may possibly mean a brother-in-law.
 
My understanding - AVO would be for a family member.
If it is not a family member it would be ‘ a personal safety order ‘

I think that in Victoria neither are called an AVO. They have ...

Family violence intervention order
Personal safety intervention order

The (now deleted) MSM segment just called it an AVO for simplicity. Because the public knows what that is. imo

And we don't even know if it is a truth, or if it is a unverified rumour and that is why it got quickly deleted.

 
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I think that in Victoria neither are called an AVO. They have ...

Family violence intervention order
Personal safety intervention order

The (now deleted) MSM segment just called it an AVO for simplicity. Because the public knows what that is. imo

And we don't even know if it is a truth, or if it is a rumour and that is why it got quickly deleted.

So msn reported it , so the rumour was an DV order was taken out against 1 or both of them ..
mmmmmmmm
 
So msn reported it , so the rumour was an DV order was taken out against 1 or both of them ..
mmmmmmmm

"an AVO had been taken out on an extended family member"

Slouth linked the original post just a little bit further back ... this link takes you to the original post.

 
DVO is where parties are domestically involved. eg son and father. AVO is where the people involved are not in a domestic situation eg neighbours, work colleague
 
I think AVO info was removed per Police order to prevent rumours and speculations.

JMO

I think it is a rumour (could be true, could be false) because of its placement in the article. It was right where it said that dozens of rumours are swirling, and the stories might all be nonsense (which Slouth clarified when I asked).

It is possible that the HS legal told them to get specific rumours out of the article, in case there were legal repercussions. The info disappeared really quickly.

If you look at Slouths original post, the other specific rumours mentioned there were also deleted from the article.
 
A bit off the subject, and probably of little value (and nothing to do with what we are speaking of :) ) ... Sam was an aerobics instructor at a Ballarat gym before she took over office duties at the business. Just another little tidbit about Sam.

Potentially could be a line of inquiry. Police should check all members of that gym at the time, and especially those she trained. Often, the personal trainer is physically attractive. Sometimes the personal trainer has great rapport with her clients. Was the client fascinated with Sam that perhaps developed into an unhealthy sexual obsession? Suppressed desires acted upon 10 years later? JMO
 
That is the question !

And why not say "BIL" ?
Because Charlie Bezzine doesn't know any more about the case than the rest of us and is using his previous title of detective to make it sound like he does know more.

In fact I would hazard a guess that given we are across all media sources we as a collective probably do know more about this case then he does.

JMO

Edited; This is not directed at you just my opinion on the rhetorical question asked
 
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"an AVO had been taken out on an extended family member"
I read this as they had taken an AVO out on a member of their extended family
My understanding - AVO would be for a family member.
If it is not a family member it would be ‘ a personal safety order ‘

Against them both ? That doesn’t sound right ? 2 seperate orders ?
Oh dear , are we sure about this AVO .
It doesn’t sound good & might confirm my theory
I think given that the article was removed quite quickly and has not been reported anywhere else we should put it down as a rumour or even completely false and move. There's already not much info in this case we don't need to muddy that with info we can't verify
 
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