Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #6

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Highly likely he is a keeper of memories.. a sort of mini hoarder, and perhaps, he got a few trophies in his footy ventures that gave hime elation and he decided to collect trophies from his killing venture.. like Samantha's phone, for example. A nice little techy trophy, painful to throw away, nice to keep and touch every now and then, That phone is somewhere, he knows where it is. if Samantha had just dropped it in the struggle it would have been found. He would not have left that phone there, for sure.
 
Agree with fellow posters re: finding Sam's body. I hope they find it soon, or that the accused tells the police where she is. Devastated for Mick and the children, such a horrible and ultimately an utterly pointless and senseless crime. Pointless in the fact none of this needed to happen.
 
Hestia's Fire said:
The good news is, they will also now be able to use his phone pings to figure out places he might have gone before killing Sam... especially nice remote spots that might be good for hiding a body. Even if he was clever enough to leave his devices at home on the day he attacked her, I would be shocked if he didn't already have his hiding spot planned out. It was probably a place he had scoped out and prepared for the day he followed through on his awful plans, so hopefully it's now going to be easier for LE to comb through all of that data and find Sam ASAP. IMO, MOO, etc., etc.
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Totally agree, I’m pretty sure LE will find SM soon.
 
It certainly is a credit to VICPOL that he is in custody, Motiveless murder is the worst crime in any community, there is no logic or sense to it, everyone is a target, everyone is a suspect, no one can say with any certainty, this would never happen to me. It had the air of those days in Frankston, when Paul Denyer was out and about. Mindless, motiveless malicious murder of women , no one can say this young man would have stopped at one. Or that this is his first.
 
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drsleuth said:

Police did not oppose the suppression order.

Ms Mykytowycz said she treated the issue of open justice “very, very seriously” but full argument on whether the suppression order would continue would be heard on Friday.
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A couple of other things in your linked article, Magistrate Mykytowycz said she granted the suppression order, in part, due to the high media interest - she is trying to balance open justice and the accused's right to a fair trial.

And the police have been given 20 weeks to prepare their brief of evidence.

In the court proceedings for Russell Hill and Carol Clay's accused killer, they just had a week of hearings (not the trial). We could see the hearings on the court calendar, but there must be full suppression in place as not a single thing was reported in that high profile case.

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Hi guys, I’ve been following Websleuths for a long time although decided to join in now as Samantha’s case has really shook me as it has everyone else. I noticed in the presser the other week, when the detective said that even if perp didn’t take the phone, they can track gps movements from the car etc. As they have stated that Samantha was removed from the area when they did the press conference, maybe they have tracked his car and hopefully they can find her this way if he isn’t opening up to where she is.
 
investigatefred said:
I don't see how I can reply to a post on a previous thread, but my question will stem from post #1500 on page 75 of Thread #5-


Does anyone here have knowledge of remains that have been in a fire?

It is my understanding that fire will obviously reduce the body down, but the bones or bone fragments do remain. (To my knowledge, after a typical cremation, they are processed/crushed afterwards.)

Secondly, if what was stated in what was referenced in the above post is true, does anyone local have knowledge of any searches being executed in areas that have experienced recent brush fires in the area?
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i read that too ( its now post 1499) and other close local comments on that site,
apparantly police have that information,
im wondering if that fire was arson, i think police said they were suspecting one of those local fires to be deliberately lit but cant find the article
 
The HS is not happy about the suppression.

They have a new article out that states that Victoria is the suppression order capital.

(paraphrased)
That in 2023 there were 521 suppression orders made in Victoria.
During the same period in NSW (larger population) there were 133 suppression orders.

If you add up all of the suppression orders from ALL of the other six states in 2023, they equal 588 suppression orders.
Victoria stands alone at 521 suppression orders, not too far off the tally for the rest of Australia combined.

The challenge to the suppression order in Samantha's case is set for 11am this morning.
The HS does not think it is a justified suppression and are hoping it will be dropped.

 
Dotta said:
It might be the cadaver sniffing dogs were used in examining his car.
Or was the time between death and removing the body too short to find this kind of evidence?
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Cadaver dogs can pick up scents years & years later , including those buried or submerged, body fragments - including blood, tissue, hair & bones.

K9 Cops - Police dogs of the world by Nigel Allsopp

Pg 48
 
Hestia's Fire said:
Whatever he did with her body, it's likely he would have needed a vehicle to do it. He can't very well have carried her off in his arms to hide her, so I would bet at least a small amount of money that they found evidence in his vehicle that confirmed she was deceased. :(
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maybe the boot of his car or a friends car if someone came and helped him?
 
SouthAussie said:
The HS is not happy about the suppression.

They have a new article out that states that Victoria is the suppression order capital.

(paraphrased)
That in 2023 there were 521 suppression orders made in Victoria.
During the same period in NSW (larger population) there were 133 suppression orders.

If you add up all of the suppression orders from ALL of the other six states in 2023, they equal 588 suppression orders.
Victoria stands alone at 521 suppression orders, not too far off the tally for the rest of Australia combined.

The challenge to the suppression order in Samantha's case is set for 11am this morning.
The HS does not think it is a justified suppression and are hoping it will be dropped.

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Yes 3AW is talking a lot about this this morning too.
 
MollyHarps said:
Can I just ask regarding suppression orders - is it possible that he is facing other unrelated charges and that’s why this order came into force? To ensure he gets a fair trial in regards to those separate cases? (I’m sure this happened in the Grace Millane murder case in New Zealand) British backpacker's killer guilty of more attacks - BBC News
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Sub judice should cover that. There is no need for suppression to cover that. imo


A person may commit contempt by publishing material which, when it is published, has a ‘real and definite tendency’ to prejudice legal proceedings.[1] This is known as sub judice contempt.

Sub judice contempt: restricting the publication of prejudicial information
 
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bearbear said:
i read that too ( its now post 1499) and other close local comments on that site,
apparantly police have that information,
im wondering if that fire was arson, i think police said they were suspecting one of those local fires to be deliberately lit but cant find the article
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Is this the fire you are asking about?

amp.theage.com.au

‘Like a freight train’: Bushfire that threatened homes south of Ballarat treated as suspicious

Firefighters continue to battle two bushfires, while communities in Victoria’s west narrowly avoided a much worse outcome after temperatures on Wednesday peaked later in the day.
amp.theage.com.au amp.theage.com.au
 
Vincent Stanford who raped, murdered and burnt Stephany Scott had time to keep her body in his home for days before he moved her body to a different location to burn her remains. Yes and he took all the horrific photos.
IIRC it was his phone, location and photos that took him down and found Stephanie’s burnt remains.

www.theguardian.com

School cleaner charged with murder of missing bride-to-be Stephanie Scott

Police reportedly find blood and photo of burnt body in search for NSW teacher who disappeared on Easter Sunday
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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