Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #10

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Cliff Hardy said:
Very true. In fact, even at the elite level (VFL as it was known then but since renamed to AFL) it wasn't uncommon for problems to be just 'made to go away.' Some the media cottoned on to at the time. Others were done so discretely they only became known about when people released books decades later and hinted to them.
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And let's not let the Rugby League off the hook either. Football, meat pies, alcohol and someone dies.
 
ProfCluezo said:
Unfortunately, in my experience, people who are “enabled” (rather than forced to take appropriate responsibility for their actions) early on in life, tend to only become more and more emboldened over time, especially when they are repeatedly “rescued” and/or suffer little or no adverse consequences for their actions…

Although this is 100% conjecture, I suspect that in this particular case we are likely to see such a pattern in relation to the accused…

“A stitch in time saves nine” as the saying goes…
:rolleyes: :oops:

JMO
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I couldn't agree more ProfCluezo.
 
MrsAddick said:
Totally agree. Banging up a bunch of Ads won’t do anything. These behaviours are so entrenched (and intergenerational) that boys will probably laugh them off.
That being said, I don’t know what the answer is. As a mother raising two young boys, I think that it is my responsibility to help them navigate this complex social and cultural environment. It helps enormously that my husband is a great bloke and a great dad. We are equal partners. That’s how it should be.
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I agree MrsAddick. These behaviours are entrenched and intergenerational.

Trooper recently posted regarding Sherele Moody's Red Heart Campaign.
The accompanying interactive Australian Femicide and Child Death Map (which is horrifying) displays locations of each of these crimes.

Ms Moody states:
"There are no statistics on the Map. It is a journalism-based story-driven project and it is far from finished.
The deaths documented here go back as far as white settlement in Australia and I am adding more victims weekly.
I acknowledge there are difficulties tracking Indigenous deaths and am working to overcome this."

IMO locations appear to correspond largely with population density throughout Australia.
There don't appear to be locations where the deaths are demonstrably worse in specific areas.
IMO it's a problem across the board in Australia.

Mapping Femicides | The RED HEART Campaign

australianfemicidewatch.org australianfemicidewatch.org

JMO
 
jjleroche said:
I agree MrsAddick. These behaviours are entrenched and intergenerational.

Trooper recently posted regarding Sherele Moody's Red Heart Campaign.
The accompanying interactive Australian Femicide and Child Death Map (which is horrifying) displays locations of each of these crimes.

Ms Moody states:
"There are no statistics on the Map. It is a journalism-based story-driven project and it is far from finished.
The deaths documented here go back as far as white settlement in Australia and I am adding more victims weekly.
I acknowledge there are difficulties tracking Indigenous deaths and am working to overcome this."

IMO locations appear to correspond largely with population density throughout Australia.
There don't appear to be locations where the deaths are demonstrably worse in specific areas.
IMO it's a problem across the board in Australia.

Mapping Femicides | The RED HEART Campaign

australianfemicidewatch.org australianfemicidewatch.org

JMO
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I completely agree jjleroche, MrsAddick and Trooper,

Unfortunately I think the government’s response to violence can at best be regarded as “political tokenism”. A bit like donating $2 to homelessness. A nice photo opportunity perhaps, but one which fails to do anything whatsoever to address any of the systemic issues contributing to, and maintaining it…. :rolleyes: :oops:

JMO
 
ProfCluezo said:
I completely agree jjleroche, MrsAddick and Trooper,

Unfortunately I think the government’s response to violence can at best be regarded as “political tokenism”. A bit like donating $2 to homelessness. A nice photo opportunity perhaps, but one which fails to do anything whatsoever to address any of the systemic issues contributing to, and maintaining it…. :rolleyes: :oops:

JMO
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Just curious ... what is it that you think the government can do?

Not aimed specifically at you, but I am always interested in what people think are the solutions. Because I think that if the solutions were something the government could do, they would do it.

Respect for others begins in the home. Begins in role modelling from parents. And even then it is not always successful.

imo
 
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SouthAussie said:
Just curious ... what is it that you think the government can do?

Not aimed specifically at you, but I am always interested in what people think are the solutions. Because I think that if the solutions were something the government could do, they would do it.

Respect for others begins in the home. Be in role modelling from parents. And even then it is not always successful.

imo
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Great question. Ideally, role modeling the right behaviours starts at home. But, many home environments are dysfunctional and violent (I speak from personal experience). You cannot expect that domestic abusers will teach their kids how to treat others respectfully. Therefore, external intervention to ‘break the cycle’ is required.
Externally, the most obvious choice is education via the school system. Teachers quite frankly have enough on their plate already, but unfortunately we seem to be in such a widespread public health crisis that a nationwide public health system intervention is required.
I can tell you that having grown up in such an environment, it never occurred to me that being beaten up regularly by my father was unusual. It wasn’t until a video was shown at high school when I was about 16 years old that I realised this. Even then, I did not disclose this to anyone until I was at least 18 years old because the shame is very real. You think it’s your fault.
Fortunately, I realised at some point that education was my way out and I left home and travelled far away to go to university.
Nowadays, I’m leading a research project at a prominent Australian university to support mental health and suicide prevention for Aborignal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.
I could bang on all day about this topic because 1 in 3 Australians will need mental health support in their lifetimes and the vast majority are slipping through the cracks due to public under-funding at a national level, and poor social determinants of health that are exacerbated for any minority sub-demographics.
 
MrsAddick said:
Great question. Ideally, role modeling the right behaviours starts at home. But, many home environments are dysfunctional and violent (I speak from personal experience). You cannot expect that domestic abusers will teach their kids how to treat others respectfully. Therefore, external intervention to ‘break the cycle’ is required.
Externally, the most obvious choice is education via the school system. Teachers quite frankly have enough on their plate already, but unfortunately we seem to be in such a widespread public health crisis that a nationwide public health system intervention is required.
I can tell you that having grown up in such an environment, it never occurred to me that being beaten up regularly by my father was unusual. It wasn’t until a video was shown at high school when I was about 16 years old that I realised this. Even then, I did not disclose this to anyone until I was at least 18 years old because the shame is very real. You think it’s your fault.
Fortunately, I realised at some point that education was my way out and I left home and travelled far away to go to university.
Nowadays, I’m leading a research project at a prominent Australian university to support mental health and suicide prevention for Aborignal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.
I could bang on all day about this topic because 1 in 3 Australians will need mental health support in their lifetimes and the vast majority are slipping through the cracks due to public under-funding at a national level, and poor social determinants of health that are exacerbated for any minority sub-demographics.
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I am glad you took personal responsibility for your future actions.

Many people grew up with parents who were bigots, who drank too much alcohol ... it was all socially acceptable at one time.

A person can follow that lead, or they can go in the opposite direction.

It doesn't matter how much money the govt throws at the problem. It all stems back to people shaping up - themselves - and taking personal responsibility for how they act.

People are given the opportunity for assistance in many situations. They choose not to attend the classes, to not improve themselves. At some point, we all become adults. Then the onus is on us, ourselves.

imo
 
SouthAussie said:
Just curious ... what is it that you think the government can do?

Not aimed specifically at you, but I am always interested in what people think are the solutions. Because I think that if the solutions were something the government could do, they would do it.

Respect for others begins in the home. Begins in role modelling from parents. And even then it is not always successful.

imo
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Sorry to be a dampener but I don’t think there is a simple solution, and I also don’t think the government could single-handedly “solve” the problem by any particular action... As others have suggested there are so many things that need to change on so many levels…. I do think our society has become too individualistic and commercially motivated.

I think there is a need for a radical reconceptualisation
that we are all interdependent, and connected to the planet. More humanity and generosity and sharing and support. Less greed, materialism and commercialism. “Love thy neighbour as oneself”. A deep respect for all living beings, including animals, plants and our natural world. Communities for raising children, not just parents. Humans caring for one another irrespective of where they’ve come from or what they have. Pooling of resources. Collaboration not competition, sharing and gratitude and wonder. I know it’s a pipe dream but that’s my vision of the kind of world I’d like to see…. :)
 
ProfCluezo said:
Sorry to be a dampener but I don’t think there is a simple solution, and I also don’t think the government could single-handedly “solve” the problem by any particular action... As others have suggested there are so many things that need to change on so many levels…. I do think our society has become too individualistic and commercially motivated.

I think there is a need for a radical reconceptualisation
that we are all interdependent, and connected to the planet. More humanity and generosity and sharing and support. Less greed, materialism and commercialism. “Love thy neighbour as oneself”. A deep respect for all living beings, including animals, plants and our natural world. Communities for raising children, not just parents. Humans caring for one another irrespective of where they’ve come from or what they have. Pooling of resources. Collaboration not competition, sharing and gratitude and wonder. I know it’s a pipe dream but that’s my vision of the kind of world I’d like to see…. :)
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Yes, it is a lovely pipe dream.

I think people just need to realise that there is only so much a govt can do. Every dollar they throw at public health, public safety, and other necessities and programs, comes from our pockets. And they know that the average citizen needs a certain amount of money to be able to live.

imo
 
ProfCluezo said:
Sorry to be a dampener but I don’t think there is a simple solution, and I also don’t think the government could single-handedly “solve” the problem by any particular action... As others have suggested there are so many things that need to change on so many levels…. I do think our society has become too individualistic and commercially motivated.

I think there is a need for a radical reconceptualisation
that we are all interdependent, and connected to the planet. More humanity and generosity and sharing and support. Less greed, materialism and commercialism. “Love thy neighbour as oneself”. A deep respect for all living beings, including animals, plants and our natural world. Communities for raising children, not just parents. Humans caring for one another irrespective of where they’ve come from or what they have. Pooling of resources. Collaboration not competition, sharing and gratitude and wonder. I know it’s a pipe dream but that’s my vision of the kind of world I’d like to see…. :)
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I totally agree, I am an empath too, but unfortunately not everyone is capable of such humanity and depth of feeling ... sometimes it is enate, and sometime the consequences of environmental dysfunction I do like your vision though ... if only ... I feel like some John Lennon - Imagine x
 
SouthAussie said:
I am glad you took personal responsibility for your future actions.

Many people grew up with parents who were bigots, who drank too much alcohol ... it was all socially acceptable at one time.

A person can follow that lead, or they can go in the opposite direction.

It doesn't matter how much money the govt throws at the problem. It all stems back to people shaping up - themselves - and taking personal responsibility for how they act.

People are given the opportunity for assistance in many situations. They choose not to attend the classes, to not improve themselves. At some point, we all become adults. Then the onus is on us, ourselves.

Imo
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It's not always a choice and there isn't always an opportunity for assistance nor even knowing that there's another direction to go.
Boys who don't know better can't be better.
Personal responsibility is important, sure, but as a society we need to be able to support those who need it. Especially children.
Agree that throwing money isn't a good option but asking those who know what will help in the ways they can help - frontline support workers, teachers, GPs, researchers etc - and supporting them would be a good start.
The current trend of paying the consultants, the ceos, the managers more and the workers less is unhelpful. More autonomy and trust for expert frontline workers would pay better social dividends than asking the accounts department.
As a teacher, I could start with suggesting that we embed more female voices and stories in education. That we take note of class dynamics and support girls. We make sure boys don't speak for or over girls.
At the same time we show boys other ways to be men. We don't let "boys be boys" and we hold them accountable for their actions from the start.
 
SouthAussie said:
Yes, it is a lovely pipe dream.

I think people just need to realise that there is only so much a govt can do. Every dollar they throw at public health, public safety, and other necessities and programs, comes from our pockets. And they know that we need a certain amount of money to be able to live.

imo
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Yes absolutely. No disrespect intended to governments per se but I think we need a much longer term vision…

JMO :)
 
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pheme said:
It's not always a choice and there isn't always an opportunity for assistance nor even knowing that there's another direction to go.
Boys who don't know better can't be better.
Personal responsibility is important, sure, but as a society we need to be able to support those who need it. Especially children.
Agree that throwing money isn't a good option but asking those who know what will help in the ways they can help - frontline support workers, teachers, GPs, researchers etc - and supporting them would be a good start.
The current trend of paying the consultants, the ceos, the managers more and the workers less is unhelpful. More autonomy and trust for expert frontline workers would pay better social dividends than asking the accounts department.
As a teacher, I could start with suggesting that we embed more female voices and stories in education. That we take note of class dynamics and support girls. We make sure boys don't speak for or over girls.
At the same time we show boys other ways to be men. We don't let "boys be boys" and we hold them accountable for their actions from the start.
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As a teacher myself
I can say that in my country
all schools, at every level
carry out activities aimed at preventing aggression and violence.

Procedures and rules of conduct in cases of aggression and violence should be clear and transparent in every school.

Prevention is key.
Schools treat preventive programmes very seriously.

For perpetrators of violence,
the negative consequence of their behavior is the perpetuation of aggressive behavior in the future.

They have a reduced sense of responsibility for their own actions
and are prone to antisocial behavior.
They easily come into conflict with the law.

That is why schools step in and try to solve problems as soon as possible.

JMO
 
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