SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[Aeronomy]

If LE thought they were important to the case THEY would have released that info. They did not.
So much blame is being placed on this family over these tattoos. Maybe it should be asked why didn't LE release the tattoo information.
Maybe the answer to that question is very different than the answers of shame and embarrassment to the family that has been stated numerous times here. Or maybe not.
All JMO

BBM
Mind Boggling...

Does the state of SC have a missing persons page? I've yet to find it. I know Heather was mentioned on Horry County's Facebook Page back in December, but other than that, is there anywhere? I don't mean MSM. I know she's on CUE and it has no identifiers listed, but families contact CUE after filing a report, is that right? Does any government entity, SC or otherwise have her listed anywhere? I was trying to look up what details that had been included, but so far there's nothing to go on.

I don't mean this to insinuate there's a reason for her not being listed anywhere like that if that's the case. I know it's a common thing. I'm just trying to find something on her specifically.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

We've talked a lot about why most of the pictures of Heather are a few years old. One theory I mentioned is that Terry believes that his daughter is dead, so they are more of a memorial than for people to use to look for her. I also think it's possible that the family saw some of the comments in the beginning of the case regarding the more "sexy" pictures, and decided to go in the completely opposite direction. TBH, I do think the public would respond better to professional, clean-cut photos of a 20-year-old woman back when she around 17 (so fooling people into thinking she looks younger than her age, she must be more innocent, etc) than they would to pictures of the same woman in her Tilted Kilt uniform, amaetur "sexy" modeling selfie photos, etc. There were a lot of comments regarding them in the beginning on articles, along the lines of "Not a shocker!" (that a girl who works at TK would be abducted) and asking why they were being used. I have a feeling the family reads everything on the Internet about this case, so they definitely saw the comments, and maybe decided to change it. It doesn't even look like the TK and similar photos are being used anymore by the family.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

The missing posters have both numbers on. IMO, it has nothing to do with illegals, but TE wanting to be sure he knows the tips. Also, illegals should feel great about the voicemail tip line as it's anonymous. That's the whole point. They also have an email, anonymous. Most people will not make two phone calls. ALL tips should be reported to LE as LE is handling the case. They handle all cases. There are main numbers to all the HCPD locations where someone will answer 8-5. I have always spoken to someone. I have a call with a Det in the morning. Think of it this way, people could be withholding information because the father wants them yo call him directly. I would never ever ever give him information. I wouldn't give it to any family member of a missing person. It is unknown who is responsible. What if someone tells him a tip, and he goes after the person because he realizes who it is... He said today that he tried to go after the men in the jeep. I am not going to have that on my hands.

Actually I'm fairly certain that it does have to do with illegals and also with those who may worry their tip could implicate them. There have also been numerous complaints that calling LE they're forced to leave a message for a call back and never get one.

As far as anonymous emails, those are as traceable as anything else. With LE resources they can track the ip address and even if it turns out to be a public computer there are came ras everywhere plus a lot of places with public computers ask you to provide id.

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[CarolinaAsh]

Additionally here are 2 things to remember. 2 people were already arrested for interfering with the case. If LE truly believed that TE is interfering with the case via tips or his own retaliation you think that they wouldn't arrest him??? They sure would. Also it's no longer just HCPD so if it is something damaging to the case then his friends there wouldn't be able to prevent it. Infact they may be more likely to do so to prevent him from doing something he'd regret. And with those extra resources I could practically guarentee the Elvis family phones are tapped. Especially now that threats are being made.

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[TedMac]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwheel View Post
I guess I'm not following along with what you are following along with. The first I heard about the 20 minutes was on the blog radio show:
Peter Hyatt (Is that correct?) : "Was it fair to say that the police have…have, um… the police indicated that something happened to Heather against her will?"

Terry Elvis: "At this..at this date…In the beginning, in the very beginning...the first 20 minutes…in the very beginning, they thought it was a walk away because the majority of the ones that happen in Myrtle Beach are just that. They’re walk aways. But it became abundantly clear after the first 20 minutes that was not the case."

That was following a question about the phone calls, the implication being that they were damaging to someone involved in the phone calls.

I haven't heard/read anything about 20 minutes being a public claim, just this one by TE, so if you have another reference to that, TIA. Maybe I'm having a stupid moment and not understanding what you are saying here.





I believe calls initially referencing were in the original TE piece on exojane which has since been "updated".
What I still don't understand is IF according to TE they knew something within the first 20 minutes...why did they let TE drive the car home? I would have refused for fear of compromising an investigation? If an officer was there why wouldn't he call for the car to be impounded??

BBM

The initial call was for an "ABANDONED VEHICLE". The officer's goal was to get it moved away from PTL. I remember from my Police days, I used to get a lot of calls of this nature about vehicles left in shopping centers or malls. The 1st step after inspecting the vehicle and running the plates to checkfor stolen is to contact the owner and find out why it is there. Most of the time, the car would be broken down or simply wouldn't start or whoever was driving it left it there and rode off with someone else with the intention of picking it up later. Police Depts. get a lot of calls like this and they almost never come to anything.

I don't think LE or TE suspected anything initially. I believe the "20 minutes" came into play a bit later after TE had moved the vehicle and tried to call HE. I'm sure the officer looked into the vehicle prior to calling TE to see if anything looked suspicious. I don't think anything was initially found to suggest HE was a victim of a crime. I feel it was after TE had talked with BW that he realized she didn't walk away.

 

[lovinlife83]

The missing posters have both numbers on. IMO, it has nothing to do with illegals, but TE wanting to be sure he knows the tips. Also, illegals should feel great about the voicemail tip line as it's anonymous. That's the whole point. They also have an email, anonymous. Most people will not make two phone calls. ALL tips should be reported to LE as LE is handling the case. They handle all cases. There are main numbers to all the HCPD locations where someone will answer 8-5. I have always spoken to someone. I have a call with a Det in the morning. Think of it this way, people could be withholding information because the father wants them yo call him directly. I would never ever ever give him information. I wouldn't give it to any family member of a missing person. It is unknown who is responsible. What if someone tells him a tip, and he goes after the person because he realizes who it is... He said today that he tried to go after the men in the jeep. I am not going to have that on my hands.

As anonymous as these lines are…I will say that after I left my anonymous tip (on the unrelated case I referred to in an earlier post) I received a call back the following day with some follow-up. They traced my number, even on an anonymous call. I was happy to hear they followed up on my info, but terrified that they now knew who I was and that my family member might lose their job.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

And to expand on my previous train of thought. .. if the family's flyers were against LE wishes (ie missing info, TE number) I'm certain by now someone in that task force would have asked him to change them. And keep in mind, TE put these flyers together himself in the days after she disappeared. He was likely wrecked and did the best he could in that emotional state of mind.

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[TedMac]

So do you think they found some indication that Heather has been killed, such as a pool of blood? I also think that Terry thinks Heather is dead. However, in most cases, the parents insist the child is alive for years, holding onto to improbable sightings in foreign countries. For the parents who do have their child declared dead before finding a body, that is usually years later. So what could he know that would have him thinking his daughter is dead less than 2 months later? Is it just logic and being realistic? Even if he has a suspect, you would think a father would want to believe that Heather was still being held somewhere.

BBM

I don't think there has been any pool of blood located. If it had been, a crime scene investigation would have set up and several investigators would have been present. This would have attracted a lot of media attention and scanner chatter.

I have never met TE, but from all indications he is a realist and understands the gravity of this situation. I feel certain that LE has spoken with TE & DE about what the chances are of HE being found alive. They (DE & TE) are probably clinging to any and all hope that HE is still alive, but are also realistic about what has probably occurred.

 

[NJJohn]

[/B]

What are you implying? What would HE have to do to get this money once she met the person at PTL ?

I won't say much about this because it's in the part of the case that we need to keep dark on here, but the money angle was first brought up in a piece of "evidence" that eventually landed someone in jail. It wasn't about cash for sex or anything lewd, but I seriously doubt it's true.

 

[escape2sc]

Additionally here are 2 things to remember. 2 people were already arrested for interfering with the case. If LE truly believed that TE is interfering with the case via tips or his own retaliation you think that they wouldn't arrest him??? They sure would. Also it's no longer just HCPD so if it is something damaging to the case then his friends there wouldn't be able to prevent it. Infact they may be more likely to do so to prevent him from doing something he'd regret. And with those extra resources I could practically guarentee the Elvis family phones are tapped. Especially now that threats are being made.

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Would LE arrest TE , if his actions as a distraught father interferred with the investigation ? I think they would warn him but not arrest him. With all the community support and the 45k followers on the FHE page, can you imagine the public backlash if they arrested TE ?
As for the two who were arrested , I find their arrests puzzling. 1) BB is a close friend of TE's and has been posting information on the FHE page from the start. The false information posts were posted over a week before his arrest. TE commented on several of the posts BB made under another name. Why did it take LE over a week to arrest BB after those posts were made ? 2) GS was a huge supporter , organizer of searches..yet the only comment TE made about GS was to say he didn't know him . Perhaps I am overthinking the arrests..but it is puzzling to me. But then, what about Heather's case isn't puzzling . JMO

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, no signs of a crime were found. If so, we would have heard about CSI on the scene at the landing or her apartment. That leaks out fast. Also, LE would not even say she could be a runaway.

Also, to me there is no way Heather would not have changed clothes after a seven-hour date. Probably first thing she did. LE most likely took date clothes.

TE says it was obvious after twenty minutes that something was wrong...but he did not say LE thought that, did he? I think it was clear to TE.

JMO

 

[Aint Bee]

I won't say much about this because it's in the part of the case that we need to keep dark on here, but the money angle was first brought up in a piece of "evidence" that eventually landed someone in jail. It wasn't about cash for sex or anything lewd, but I seriously doubt it's true.

The part of the case that we need to keep dark on here? What part is that?

 

[NJJohn]

The part of the case that we need to keep dark on here? What part is that?

Everything that's not in MSM or said by LE.

 

[escape2sc]

This is pure speculation, a " what if " question .

TE seems convinced SM/TM are responsible for Heather's disappearance. Does anyone think it is possible for Heather to of been talking to SM on the phone and a total stranger or someone stalking her could of abducted her ? All SM would of heard was the call ending and assumed Heather hung up on him ? Of course , a decent man would of mentioned the phone call and its abrupt end the minute LE contacted him about Heather missing. A decent man would make himself available to LE, perhaps even release a statement to the media stating his only involvement was the affair and phone calls and vow to assist the family and LE in anyway possible to find Heather. But then, a decent man would not of had an affair with a 20 yr old girl. So maybe a not so decent man, knowing how bad it appears to be the last person on phone records to of talked to Heather becomes a recluse, doesn't cooperate, etc.
Am not saying , I believe this happened but at the moment, I can't rule out the possibility 100 %. Which leads me to my next question...
Given emotions are high and vigilante justice has been mentioned more than once..would LE shut down TE's comments about the Moorer's if LE was not fairly confident the Moorer's are involved ?

 

[Aint Bee]

Everything that's not in MSM or said by LE.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. I've seen all kinds of "what ifs" and "maybe it happened this way" and "let's consider the possibilities" on here.

I do understand that people can't be named if they are not officially persons of interest (although I think that rule was fudged a bit in the HE case since SM has not been officially named a POI, unless I missed that).

I understand this a victim-friendly site, but I don't think that extrapolating about the victim's public lifestyle/habits/life in general in a respectful and adult manner goes against the friendliness.

I definitely don't think pointing out inconsistencies - which I've seen many of you do yourselves - in the victim's family's statements is out of bounds.

So am I missing something else I should stay away from?

 

[TedMac]

This is pure speculation, a " what if " question .

TE seems convinced SM/TM are responsible for Heather's disappearance. Does anyone think it is possible for Heather to of been talking to SM on the phone and a total stranger or someone stalking her could of abducted her ? All SM would of heard was the call ending and assumed Heather hung up on him ? Of course , a decent man would of mentioned the phone call and its abrupt end the minute LE contacted him about Heather missing. A decent man would make himself available to LE, perhaps even release a statement to the media stating his only involvement was the affair and phone calls and vow to assist the family and LE in anyway possible to find Heather. But then, a decent man would not of had an affair with a 20 yr old girl. So maybe a not so decent man, knowing how bad it appears to be the last person on phone records to of talked to Heather becomes a recluse, doesn't cooperate, etc.
Am not saying , I believe this happened but at the moment, I can't rule out the possibility 100 %. Which leads me to my next question...
Given emotions are high and vigilante justice has been mentioned more than once..would LE shut down TE's comments about the Moorer's if LE was not fairly confident the Moorer's are involved ?

BBM

(1) Anything is possible. I feel that something similar happened to BD in 2009.

(2) Unsure what you are asking. If you are asking if LE would shut down TE's comments the answer is No. How would they? They may ask him to back off, but have no real authority to silence him. If you are asking if "LE was not fairly confident the ******** are involved"...who knows?

 

[SharetheLight]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. I've seen all kinds of "what ifs" and "maybe it happened this way" and "let's consider the possibilities" on here.



I do understand that people can't be named if they are not officially persons of interest (although I think that rule was fudged a bit in the HE case since SM has not been officially named a POI, unless I missed that).



I understand this a victim-friendly site, but I don't think that extrapolating about the victim's public lifestyle/habits/life in general in a respectful and adult manner goes against the friendliness.



I definitely don't think pointing out inconsistencies - which I've seen many of you do yourselves - in the victim's family's statements is out of bounds.



So am I missing something else I should stay away from?

Yes, rumors. And if it's not in MSM or released by LE, it's a rumor.

 

[JaelynKL]

IMO, no signs of a crime were found. If so, we would have heard about CSI on the scene at the landing or her apartment. That leaks out fast. Also, LE would not even say she could be a runaway.

Also, to me there is no way Heather would not have changed clothes after a seven-hour date. Probably first thing she did. LE most likely took date clothes.

TE says it was obvious after twenty minutes that something was wrong...but he did not say LE thought that, did he? I think it was clear to TE.

JMO

TE said "they". IMO that means LE. The below post was from Ghostwheel. I remember seeing this. It is what I heard also.

RSBM & BBM

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Peter Hyatt (Is that correct?) : "Was it fair to say that the police have…have, um… the police indicated that something happened to Heather against her will?"

Terry Elvis: "At this..at this date…In the beginning, in the very beginning...the first 20 minutes…in the very beginning, they thought it was a walk away because the majority of the ones that happen in Myrtle Beach are just that. They’re walk aways. But it became abundantly clear after the first 20 minutes that was not the case."
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peterhyatt/2014/02/09/-with-peter-hyatt

ETA: Tried to bold "they" in Ghostwheel's post and it didn't work , as far as I can tell on tapatalk :blushing:

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[hockeymom4]

I believe it is about 19 minutes into the interview that TE says something to the effect that between the time she was dropped off from her date and 3:41 there were 'numerous phone calls'. But he qualifies his info by saying the police have not released the details of her phone activity.

Then the interview with LE:
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

'Investigators also confirmed earlier reports of cell phone communications between Heather Elvis and Sidney Moorer, a 38-year-old Horry County man with whom police records state she had a relationship history, as late as 6 a.m. Dec. 18'

TE states that between the time HE came home and 3:41 the phone activity was phone calls. LE simply describes what occurs up till 6 AM as 'cell phone communications'.

This all gets confusing to keep track of.

But then we have this.... http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/loc...722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

Which includes details directly from the police report where TE provided from his tmobile bill calls.

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date.

So, was the time zone pST, as many of us speculated? That would start to make ssense of one thing...

 

[Foxfire]

IMO LE acts according to the information they have. One can look at their actions and conclude a lot.
They are not going to tell the public much and what they say may or may not contradict what we see them doing.
Actions speak much louder than words.
They do not need to tell us anything but they do have a responsibility to solve a crime if one has been committed. And quite honestly I cannot remember a case where a suspect or POI was named prior to an arrest. They just don't do that anymore. Yet I firmly believe LE is taking this investigation forward with the thought that they indeed have a suspect or two or three. All JMO

SharetheLight, yes many times actions, as well as what is not said, speaks much louder than words ever could. Imo, the HCPD and SLED's antiquated investigative strategy of silence, combined with their many known unsolved missing/murdered persons cases, and their lack of media management speaks volumes, imo.
It was 6 months after Amber Berbiglia's murder before her vehicle description was released by HCPD investigators. The ping locations of her cell phone remain locked up in the cold case file storage vault in the basement of HCPD along side the many others..

RE: I cannot remember a case where a suspect or POI was named prior to an arrest.

SharetheLight, there are many proactive LEAs, such as the San Diego Sheriffs Dept., that release the POI/Suspect/s name/s prior to arrest/s.

California Kidnap Victim Found Safe; Abductor Killed. Hannah Anderson Alive.

Lakeside, California (CNN) -- A handwritten note, handcuff box, camping equipment and a DNA swab kit were among the items found by San Diego deputies in the burned home and garage of James DiMaggio.
DiMaggio was shot and killed by FBI agents in Idaho after allegedly kidnapping Hannah Anderson,16, this month.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/han...o-horseback-riders-alleged-kidnapper-19933780
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The murders of 3 members of the Baines' family and abduction of the 2 Baines' sisters(TN/MS-05/2012) is another example of an aware citizen's tip bringing an investigation to a successful conclusion.. There are many cases where the public is included in ongoing investigations.

FBI Press Conference on Adam Mayes Shooting
http://wreg.com/2012/05/10/fbi-press-conference-on-adam-mayes-shooting/