SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[Hatfield]

As anonymous as these lines are…I will say that after I left my anonymous tip (on the unrelated case I referred to in an earlier post) I received a call back the following day with some follow-up. They traced my number, even on an anonymous call. I was happy to hear they followed up on my info, but terrified that they now knew who I was and that my family member might lose their job.

I agree. Some people are just afraid to use the anonymous lines and I dont blame them at all. I like the idea of a drop box as a supplement to providing anonymous tips. But even at one of those it would have to be in an obscure location with no cameras around and nobody around to help a person feel comfortable dropping off a tip.

I can think of many reasons why a tipster with helpful info would be reluctant to provide a tip unless they felt it was definite anonymous. One quick example is if the person providing the tip happens to have family members that are involved with drugs and they dont want family member getting into trouble or having LE show up unexpectedly for more questions about the tip.

I would be willing to bet that some box drop tips come in pretty bizarre. Like using cut-out letters taped together to form a note. Or written left handed by right handed person

 

[cluciano63]

TE said "they". IMO that means LE. The below post was from Ghostwheel. I remember seeing this. It is what I heard also.

RSBM & BBM

Well he says it became abundantly clear...he does not say to whom, in that sentence. We know it became clear to him very quickly. I still am not sure LE agreed so quickly.

 

[TedMac]

There have been several posts about what TE knows and what LE has told him that they haven't shared with the public. Some have suggested that TE knows pretty much what LE knows since he has a lot of friends in LE. TE obviously reads SM and follows all of the MSM stories and may even read WS. He tries to learn as much as he can about HE's disappearance and who could blame him? The Investigators probably talk with him frequently and have probably shared some bits of information with him that the public is not aware of. However, I feel certain that there is a lot of information that they have not shared with the him, too. They would never disclose anything that would jeopardize the case. I would almost bet that outside of the investigators involved in the case, their supervisors, the State and Federal agents assigned to the case and the Chief of Police that no one is privy to case information. The uniformed officers and other LE personell not involved in the case probably don't know any more than the general public. I can tell you from personal experience that LE does not release information to its own members except for those actively involved in cases.

 

[escape2sc]

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BBM

(1) Anything is possible. I feel that something similar happened to BD in 2009.

(2) Unsure what you are asking. If you are asking if LE would shut TE's comments the answer is No. How would they "Shut down" his comments? They may ask him to back off, but have no real authority to silence him. If you are asking if "LE was not fairly confident the ******** are involved"...who knows?

Yes , I am asking if LE would advise TE to back off. I understand they have no authority to silence TE. However, TE is desperate to find Heather , willing to do almost anything to find her. I believe if LE advised TE that 1) the comments jeapordizes the investigation or 2) there is only evidence of an affair and phone calls but no evidence pointing to their involvement in HE's disappearance..that TE would follow LE's advise. SO..can any weight be given to TE continuing to point in the Moorer's direction ?

Hope that makes sense, not enough coffee this morning

 

[JaelynKL]

TE said "they". IMO that means LE. The below post was from Ghostwheel. I remember seeing this. It is what I heard also.

RSBM & BBM

Well he says it became abundantly clear...he does not say to whom, in that sentence. We know it became clear to him very quickly. I still am not sure LE agreed so quickly.

I was just going to edit my post. But after reading what TE said again I will have to agree. I am trying to relisten but it keeps throwing me out.

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[Just K]

There are very few publicly reported facts surrounding this case. Most everything being discussed is either rumor, speculation, or theory. I look forward to a real news conference, Heather being found and the real culprit/culprits being charged, arrested and convicted.

 

[SharetheLight]

Yes , I am asking if LE would advise TE to back off. I understand they have no authority to silence TE. However, TE is desperate to find Heather , willing to do almost anything to find her. I believe if LE advised TE that 1) the comments jeapordizes the investigation or 2) there is only evidence of an affair and phone calls but no evidence pointing to their involvement in HE's disappearance..that TE would follow LE's advise. SO..can any weight be given to TE continuing to point in the Moorer's direction ?



Hope that makes sense, not enough coffee this morning

I'm pretty sure I understand the logic here.
And it is because of this that I tend to discount the possibility that you or someone (sorry, I can't remember who, I too need some caffeine this morning) mentioned earlier. The possibility that HE was at landing chatting away with someone and a stranger came along and made her disappear.
I have thought long and hard about this possibility but actions and reactions by various parties tend to draw me away from this possibility.
If I've understood what you've said, this should make sense. If I've confused you, I'm sorry and I am obviously not following.

 

[TedMac]

Yes , I am asking if LE would advise TE to back off. I understand they have no authority to silence TE. However, TE is desperate to find Heather , willing to do almost anything to find her. I believe if LE advised TE that 1) the comments jeapordizes the investigation or 2) there is only evidence of an affair and phone calls but no evidence pointing to their involvement in HE's disappearance..that TE would follow LE's advise. SO..can any weight be given to TE continuing to point in the Moorer's direction ?

Hope that makes sense, not enough coffee this morning

BBM

TE has seen the phone records and (this is just my opinion) based on the records is convinced that the ******* at a minimum know what happened to HE.

 

[NewYork625]

I finally was able to listen to the podcast. My take on "the first 20 minutes" comment is that he did not mean that literally. I believe he meant not 20 minutes, but "in the beginning of the case".
Also, I was most struck by how little SM and TM seem to be cooperating. I wonder if that's on their lawyer's advice, or by their own choice.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I've said from the beginning, TE should hire a Private Investigator. The reward money is obviously not working. Those funds could be used to hire a good PI. Additionaly, the FEHFB page is not the correct tool for obtaining quality tips and leads. I would have locked commenting right off the bat. IMO, it has only made matters worse.

 

[escape2sc]

I'm pretty sure I understand the logic here.
And it is because of this that I tend to discount the possibility that you or someone (sorry, I can't remember who, I too need some caffeine this morning) mentioned earlier. The possibility that HE was at landing chatting away with someone and a stranger came along and made her disappear.
I have thought long and hard about this possibility but actions and reactions by various parties tend to draw me away from this possibility.
If I've understood what you've said, this should make sense. If I've confused you, I'm sorry and I am obviously not following.

Oh snap ! I forgot about the car being at PTL..blows the stranger abduction while on the phone with SM theory . Thank you.

 

[Aeronomy]

The first I heard about the 20 minutes was on the blog radio show:
Peter Hyatt (Is that correct?) : "Was it fair to say that the police have…have, um… the police indicated that something happened to Heather against her will?"

Terry Elvis: "At this..at this date…In the beginning, in the very beginning...the first 20 minutes…in the very beginning, they thought it was a walk away because the majority of the ones that happen in Myrtle Beach are just that. They’re walk aways. But it became abundantly clear after the first 20 minutes that was not the case."

That was following a question about the phone calls, the implication being that they were damaging to someone involved in the phone calls.

TE said "they". IMO that means LE. The below post was from Ghostwheel. I remember seeing this. It is what I heard also.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peterhyatt/2014/02/09/-with-peter-hyatt

I didn't hear quite the same thing. I heard a couple of words differently...one in particular.

Can some of you listen to it again and verify. I've highlighted what words I heard differently. The question begins at 19:28

"Well, is it fair to say that the police have…have, um… the PRESS indicated that uh, something happened to Heather against her will"

Please let me know. Thanks.

*Not that I think police vs. press makes too much difference in this particular question, but just wondering if there could be other parts I or someone else may have heard differently that would make a difference.

*JaelynKL, I was just quoting you for the link.

 

[TedMac]

This is pure speculation, a " what if " question .

TE seems convinced SM/TM are responsible for Heather's disappearance. Does anyone think it is possible for Heather to of been talking to SM on the phone and a total stranger or someone stalking her could of abducted her ? All SM would of heard was the call ending and assumed Heather hung up on him ? Of course , a decent man would of mentioned the phone call and its abrupt end the minute LE contacted him about Heather missing. A decent man would make himself available to LE, perhaps even release a statement to the media stating his only involvement was the affair and phone calls and vow to assist the family and LE in anyway possible to find Heather. But then, a decent man would not of had an affair with a 20 yr old girl. So maybe a not so decent man, knowing how bad it appears to be the last person on phone records to of talked to Heather becomes a recluse, doesn't cooperate, etc.
Am not saying , I believe this happened but at the moment, I can't rule out the possibility 100 %. Which leads me to my next question...
Given emotions are high and vigilante justice has been mentioned more than once..would LE shut down TE's comments about the Moorer's if LE was not fairly confident the Moorer's are involved ?

BBM

Wanted to add one thing to this...Probably the best chance of stranger abduction would have been if HE was spotted alone in her car driving towards PTL and was followed there and nabbed.

 

[hockeymom4]

IMO LE acts according to the information they have. One can look at their actions and conclude a lot.
They are not going to tell the public much and what they say may or may not contradict what we see them doing.
Actions speak much louder than words.
They do not need to tell us anything but they do have a responsibility to solve a crime if one has been committed. And quite honestly I cannot remember a case where a suspect or POI was named prior to an arrest. They just don't do that anymore. Yet I firmly believe LE is taking this investigation forward with the thought that they indeed have a suspect or two or three. All JMO

It is actually quite common to name a POI first. I thought there were several even on here that named POI first. No? The ones that come to mind for me are Drew Petterson and Scott Petterson, that everyone would know. I know several others that are local.

 

[Hatfield]

There have been several posts about what TE knows and what LE has told him that they haven't shared with the public. Some have suggested that TE knows pretty much what LE knows since he has a lot of friends in LE. TE obviously reads SM and follows all of the MSM stories and may even read WS. He tries to learn as much as he can about HE's disappearance and who could blame him? The Investigators probably talk with him frequently and have probably shared some bits of information with him that the public is not aware of. However, I feel certain that there is a lot of information that they have not shared with the him, too. They would never disclose anything that would jeopardize the case. I would almost bet that outside of the investigators involved in the case, their supervisors, the State and Federal agents assigned to the case and the Chief of Police that no one is privy to case information. The uniformed officers and other LE personell not involved in the case probably don't know any more than the general public. I can tell you from personal experience that LE does not release information to its own members except for those actively involved in cases.

I agree that LE probably limits case sensitive info even within their department to a "need to know" basis.

I just saw a true crime episode about a case where they bugged a LE person who was meeting a perp in a murder for hire case. That person who was bugged was LE and he says he never wants to know any details of the case except for bare minimum because the more he knows the more danger in blowing a case.

Kind of related and it makes sense.

 

[imamaze]

Closed for review...

While I'm reviewing I suggest you all go to the rules of how to treat each other.

Removing posts that have nothing but rumor in them as nothing suggests HE needing money or meeting someone for money, she is a victim, and this is not allowed.

You can discuss what we know thru main stream media and law enforcement. You all know this and you all know how to treat each other as well.

Ima

 

[imamaze]

BBM
Mind Boggling...

Does the state of SC have a missing persons page? I've yet to find it. I know Heather was mentioned on Horry County's Facebook Page back in December, but other than that, is there anywhere? I don't mean MSM. I know she's on CUE and it has no identifiers listed, but families contact CUE after filing a report, is that right? Does any government entity, SC or otherwise have her listed anywhere? I was trying to look up what details that had been included, but so far there's nothing to go on.

I don't mean this to insinuate there's a reason for her not being listed anywhere like that if that's the case. I know it's a common thing. I'm just trying to find something on her specifically.

Link to SC missing pages that I have found and I'm sure I've missed some.

SC Missing Links - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

On the Police report it said she was entered in NCIC and listed as missing.

NIC # M141740921

 

[imamaze]

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We have a detailed, formal Terms of Service (TOS) posted separately, and that TOS is what you will be held to as a member here. It's long and detailed because it has to be in the world we live in, and you are expected to read it, understand it and abide by it. However, we can sum it up as follows:

1) Be a decent human being;
2) Treat your fellow posters as the decent human beings they are;
3) Keep in mind that whatever you post will likely live on forever, so think before you press "Submit Reply".
4) It's a big world. People will disagree with you. You will disagree with them. This can be done with respect, and that's what we expect.



And... No rumor, discuss only what we know thru main stream media and law enforcement. Heather's social media sites are allowed,

but you can not discuss any posts other than hers.

The Find Heather Facebook page is not allowed here and no discussion about it.

You can speculate but no out and out rumor, you can not for example say Heather may have been meeting someone because of drugs, or money etc. Not allowed.

 

[Dee10]

It is actually quite common to name a POI first. I thought there were several even on here that named POI first. No? The ones that come to mind for me are Drew Petterson and Scott Petterson, that everyone would know. I know several others that are local.

My understanding is LE doesn't not normally do this until after their unnamed POI quits co-operating or gets a lawyer and maybe not even until there is an arrest. This makes sense to me as they don't want to tip their hand, keep the person unsuspecting so they can build a case, maybe get a confession and so they don't get a lawyer.

 

[hockeymom4]

My understanding is LE doesn't not normally do this until after their unnamed POI quits co-operating or gets a lawyer and maybe not even until there is an arrest. This makes sense to me as they don't want to tip their hand, keep the person unsuspecting so they can build a case, maybe get a confession and so they don't get a lawyer.

The purpose of my post is that many times a POI is named before an arrest is made. I agree with you the reason why they name the POI. There are many reasons why one is named. This is not my opinion, but rather a fact. I even gave some examples. Sometimes one is named, but it can take much time for an arrest to actually be made.