SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #16

[eileenhawkeye]

I think the violence possibility feels more real to me in this case, than even Dylan or Kyron's. Some of people seem very ready to "take justice into their own hands" if LE "messes it up".

Yep, I feel like the tension in this case is different than in Kyron and Dylan's case. It seems that vigilante justice is being much more encouraged in this case, than it was in the other cases.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO as far as vigilante justice goes, as long as LE continues to make forward progress in this case I do not feel any harm will come to anyone. I don't know what to think if the case stalls. JMO
And while I can understand why some may feel that some are not in control of their emotions and tempers I'm of the opinion that given all the circumstances, some have shown tremendous restraint.
I've given this a lot of thought. While I do not agree with everything the E family does, pertaining to this case, they are doing a fantastic job keeping Heather's name in the press and keeping her relevant. Not an easy task in a missing persons case. Doing this IS what will bring Heather home and ultimately bring justice to whoever made this happen. I am not walking in the E family shoes so it's not important what my or anyone else's thoughts are regarding their actions. Kudos to them for doing everything to keep Heather's name out there. I hate this saying but there's no such thing as bad publicity. Heather's case continues to be discussed daily as we almost reach the two month mark of her going missing thanks to her family.
All JMo

I was not thinking of the family...more the replies from some of the "followers" when he makes his emotional posts. I think he should try to speak out more to the media...somehow speaking out on FB seems to result only in stirring up the same people over and over JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Yep, I feel like the tension in this case is different than in Kyron and Dylan's case. It seems that vigilante justice is being much more encouraged in this case, than it was in the other cases.

And it got pretty bad in those cases...

 

[Ghostwheel]

I think the violence possibility feels more real to me in this case, than even Dylan or Kyron's. Some of people seem very ready to "take justice into their own hands" if LE "messes it up".

Maybe so, but I don't see that here on any MSM reports. I probably am not reading in the right places. I just remember the gun threats back at the height of the SM wars with Dylan. LE wasn't whiney about it, they handled it with class and I don't think arrested anyone, but I could be wrong on that. In any case, I think "excessive vigilante or mob mentality" is in the eye of the beholder, just like every other opinion. JMO.

 

[hockeymom4]

Maybe so, but I don't see that here on any MSM reports. I probably am not reading in the right places. I just remember the gun threats back at the height of the SM wars with Dylan. LE wasn't whiney about it, they handled it with class and I don't think arrested anyone, but I could be wrong on that. In any case, I think "excessive vigilante or mob mentality" is in the eye of the beholder, just like every other opinion. JMO.

There were a few of his writings posted on MSM and they were posted here. You are exactly right, everyone is going to view it differently. For me, I have a zero tolerance for it. I was just reading about Kyron and they had a picture of the people in front of his step-mothers. I have a lot to say about that in many directions. But, I feel no different about that case than this case. Just like I felt no different about when someone in my personal life was getting away with something, I felt they should have been charged with. I just had faith that justice would prevail.

 

[cujenn81]

LE wont tell the public they feel strongly that OMM isnt involved even though the situation seems to be a very dangerous one. Yet, also, no arrest. So, could it be that they have obtained enough info from records to indicate a murder was planned but not enough info to point to just one subject? It couldnt be that simple could it?

Interesting! I've never thought of this simple reasoning before now, but you bring up a great question that could very well be the issue. That's why two heads are better than one!


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[Snowyowl]

I think the violence possibility feels more real to me in this case, than even Dylan or Kyron's. Some of people seem very ready to "take justice into their own hands" if LE "messes it up".

It certainly seems like their track record isn't very good when it comes to missing persons. Maybe it's time for them to get with the 21st century?? This world isn't like Sgt. Joe Friday & Dragnet. Imagine if they actually had web pages constantly updated? Imagine if they asked for public INPUT instead of hiding away w/no press?
This isn't a backwater town,MB is a resort area-a magnet for anything & everything.If people get wind of safety issues they won't feel safe vacationing in MB. No matter how much $$$ is thrown into advertising you can't escape reality. I think their handling of guilty/not guilty,presser/no presser,POI/no POI really questions their ability to serve and protect. They've almost let the pitchfork mob take over. I hope they can keep control of an explosive situation. Not good. :moo:

 

[TAKE]

It end to turn up to parties late, so forgive me if I'm covering old ground.

I was mulling over the reason(s) why HE might've been upset about SM leaving his wife or his saying that he was goi g to leave his wife. I imagined the convo in my head and in my opinion only, I suppose it could've went something like maybe SM called HE to discuss this date and how if she loved him, she could move on to another relationship so easily. HE may love SM but realises that due to his marriage, a relationship deeper than what they had may not be possible. She explains this, he rebuts over and over, it's a 'round in circles type convo. Then SM gives in (out of frustration) and declares that fine, he will leave his wife, he will just leave his wife, home, kids, etc if that's what HE really wants!

Then boom! HE has exactly what she wanted, but goodness, not HOW she wanted it. Here's the part where you might have to be a female to "get it"....

Have you ever wanted a man to do something. But to do it because he wants to do it, not just because you wanted him to do it?

The often no win situation of being a woman can result in not just getting what you wanted, but also getting it how you wanted it (think botched marriage proposal, you got the ring, but not how you dreamed you'd get the ring).

Could this have resulted in a very tired, upset HE saying you just don't get it, hanging up and a series of hang ups from there?

 

[Cardinal47]

We are now learning more and more from LE, the exchanges back and forth went from around 2 to 6 am and there are PMs as well (doesn't get much better then that) between the two. Their ducks are lining up and are now in a position to tighten the noose by further releasing info. of their choosing IMO.

Coming in late but after reading this post I am curious.

Is he the only one she was communicating with between 2 and 6?

 

[Dee10]

Coming in late but after reading this post I am curious.

Is he the only one she was communicating with between 2 and 6?

Possibly her friend MW, but the Chief is saying both HE & SM were back communicating by various means during the four hour period and LE has the PMs but they are not releasing them.

 

[Topcat]

Possibly her friend MW, but the Chief is saying both HE & SM were back communicating by various means during the four hour period and LE has the PMs but they are not releasing them.

do you mean her friend BW?

 

[ChristYTN]

Coming in late but after reading this post I am curious.

Is he the only one she was communicating with between 2 and 6?

I'm assuming that to be the case. I feel if he wasn't the majority of those said communications....they wouldn't have worded it the way they did.

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[Foxfire]

It is not my intention to turn HE's thread into a serial killer discussion. From known info there are no indicators that a predator/SK is related to HE's disappearance, imo.
Due to the many unsolved missing/murdered persons cases in Myrtle Beach/Horry county, combined with the similar victim profiles, tier 3 RSOs concentration, and multiple incidents of sexual assaults by police impersonators, etc. The possibility of an active sexual predator/SK, cannot be dismissed in the other cases, imo.

Imo, unless her remains are recovered, HE's case will be solved and prosecuted due to the cyber forensics information/evidence garnered in the investigation; cell phone activity and SM, as well as indictable statements made during HCPD interviews.

Interesting read by By Vernon J. Geberth, M.S., M.P.S.; Author of Practical Homicide Investigation(Homicide Investigator's Bible): Tactics, Procedures, and Forensic Techniques

CRIME SCENE STAGING AND ALTERATIONS
The CSI Effect on Criminal Investigations

By Vernon J. Geberth, M.S., M.P.S.
Former Commander of Bronx Homicide, New York City Police Department
http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/PIMag0707.htm

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It is not unreasonable to assume that someone might attempt to "Stage a Crime Scene" based on something they saw on one of the forensic shows. Furthermore, it is logical to presume that an offender who has viewed these various forensic programs will take precautions not to leave any trace evidence on the body or at the scene, which may identify him or link him to the crime. In some instances this is exactly what occurred.

 

[cluciano63]

I am not even considering a serial in this case, or least it is the bottom of my list. I think LE has a great deal to go on, but will remain unable to make an arrest,unless she is found.

 

[Motherof5]

I will answer even though many of others have said the same thing on many threads. He is not going to be worried about people who don't personally have any connection to the case, like people on WS or just reading the internet. I would think he would be worried about those personally connected to HE, those his family filed harassment reports against (before the pr became public), those who even were arrested for obstructing justice....those people knew or would have known, IMO, because they are in the family circle. I don't imagine he does feel safe, but he has to worry less around people who don't have a reason to want answers on a personal level.

I agree with you that he probably doesn't feel safe. IMO he could change that by following the example set by HE's date. The date cleared himself because he could. It seems only logical that SM would do the same if he could and then he wouldn't have to fear anyone or anything. JMO

 

[Rochestergirl]

I agree with you that he probably doesn't feel safe. IMO he could change that by following the example set by HE's date. The date cleared himself because he could. It seems only logical that SM would do the same if he could and then he wouldn't have to fear anyone or anything. JMO

IMO the problem for SM talking to HCPD for HEs date cleared him talking to them for SM will likely get him arrested.

 

[Wondergirl]

Is LE any closer to determining what happened to Heather than on the first day?

I feel they aren't.

This case is fading. Why?

Most local people who follow along in the news will assume it was a bf that did this, and that's that.

Obviously the lack of pressers is not helping her case. They really don't need the public, it seems.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

It might not be a "good" thing if TM and SM were cleared. What I mean by that is I think almost all the interest in this case revolves around them, the tension between the two families, the feeling that *something* is going to happen, etc. If LE were to announce that they are cleared, then the only other theories are that Heather either is a runaway, or was taken by a stranger. People are so invested in the TM/SM storyline and I don't think it will be the same if it's some random faceless nameless stranger. Even another suspect, I don't think will cause the same rage and fervor. So of course I think if LE can clear them, they should do so, but I do think public interest in the case will decrease dramatically if that were to happen. The interest in the case is very one-dimensional IMO.

 

[TedMac]

Yesterday, there were several posts about the DEA's involvement in the HE investigation. The MSM reported in one of its news releases that DEA was part of the Task Force and in a later release they were not mentioned. I thought it odd, so I called a DEA agent that I know and asked him about it. He is a few states away from South Carolina and had not heard of the HE disappearance investigation. He said that DEA does not normally get involved with missing persons unless drugs or gangs are involved. He pointed out that he didn't mean that if one of the parties (Victim or Perp) smoked a little weed, but only if a large quantity of drugs or some sort of organized crime gangs were involved. He said the reason they were probably part of the task force to begin with and not involved later, was they were initially asked to join the task force to see if drugs were a part of HE's disappearance and later withdrew after it was determined that neither drugs or gangs were involved. He also said they would still provide support to the task force if needed. Hope this helps.

 

[Motherof5]

IMO the problem for SM talking to HCPD for HEs date cleared him talking to them for SM will likely get him arrested.

Exactly my point.