SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #13

[Antimony]

If AM were to die (even suicide) before a court conviction, He could not be found guilty of anything.
Even if he confessed, his death would stop his day in court before the judge to plead for mercy or anything.
If he were to die, The Family name would not be officially stained.

 

[Antimony]

AM is at the age where he would believe his handsomeness, wit, sports skill, personality, social status and perceived wealth would make him the ultimate Chick Magnet. Because he is so smart and clever, His loving wife would never know or even suspect his dalliances.
A friend of mine once told me that his wife was too stupid to suspect he had a mistress. 6 months later his wife had everything he owned, half his salary, the kids
and the house. Her longtime boyfriend with a corvette move in right after the divorce.
I still can't figure how he spent that much money in so short a time and still owed much money on Edisto, Moselle and more. Mistresses are expensive but they rarely kill the golden goose.

 

[Kudzuu]

The indictments state that Alex Murdaugh killed Maggie and Paul “with malice aforethought” (see attached indictments), which means premeditation.

https://www.scag.gov/media/aqmgde04/murdaugh-indictments-7-14-2022.pdf

I read on this thread that SC doesn't have premeditation. It is called something a bit different. Seems like SC has a very different system than most of us are familiar with. At any rate it looks like he killed them both. I feel for Maggie's friend she was texting.

 

[stmarysmead]

i lost patience with this case for awhile and certainly am not as up-to-date as many of you faithful followers. So please correct me when necessary. And that might be often….

Wasn’t Paul’s phone found at the scene near his body? But yet the killer only took time to toss Maggie’s in the street near the property. Yet it’s Paul’s phone that had crucial evidence.

So why did AM take the time to discard just Maggie’s phone? Odd. And why in the street nearby? There are so many places to lose a phone forever on that property…why in front of the house on the road?

If PM was filmimg whike his parents were arguing or talking…then AM knew PM had a phone too. But while he’s tossing phones, he just cares about one.

Unless MM‘s phone was thrown in the street before the murders.

I remember long ago we speculated on here that MM was in the car with her killer and someone grabbed the phone from her and threw it from the car.

Could it be possible that they did head out in Maggie‘s car earlier to go to the hospital…and the fight started in the car.…so they turned around? She tried to call someone and he grabbed the phone from her while still in the car. When she saw Paul at kennel…she jumped out and he went after her…leaving the car running.

So many odd things.

 

[sunshineray]

i lost patience with this case for awhile and certainly am not as up-to-date as many of you faithful followers. So please correct me when necessary. And that might be often….

Wasn’t Paul’s phone found at the scene near his body? But yet the killer only took time to toss Maggie’s in the street near the property. Yet it’s Paul’s phone that had crucial evidence.

So why did AM take the time to discard just Maggie’s phone? Odd. And why in the street nearby? There are so many places to lose a phone forever on that property…why in front of the house on the road?

If PM was filmimg whike his parents were arguing or talking…then AM knew PM had a phone too. But while he’s tossing phones, he just cares about one.

Unless MM‘s phone was thrown in the street before the murders.

I remember long ago we speculated on here that MM was in the car with her killer and someone grabbed the phone from her and threw it from the car.

Could it be possible that they did head out in Maggie‘s car earlier to go to the hospital…and the fight started in the car.…so they turned around? She tried to call someone and he grabbed the phone from her while still in the car. When she saw Paul at kennel…she jumped out and he went after her…leaving the car running.

So many odd things.

PM might having been taking a video of his frien's recuperating dog and caught MM and AM confrontation? Maybe hearing the shots so close, seeing his Mom running/possibly screaming made him drop his phone and his body fell on top of it, hiding it from AM's view?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

To me the interview was one of the most incriminating things initially. It was what they said and how they said it.

What: they had a great marriage and the family had no enemies. The family had to know the marriage wasn’t “great”. And I don’t know of any attorney who could say emphatically they have no enemies since the very nature of litigation involves a winner and a loser. Plus we now know the boating accident produced enemies and litigation was pending at the time of the murders. Makes for a big credibility check.

How: the interaction between the 2 brothers was very contrived. At one point one of them pats the other one on the shoulder and the other one tries to appear tearful. There was no traumatic laden communication or any shock about a double murder. They were too calm and too quick to do a live televised interview. It was obvious they wanted to quickly control the narrative. Everyone went along with whatever they said in the past so they would make a statement and no one would question them. They underestimated how the public would react.

I think the brothers were probably told to do the GMA interview by the PR people that AM and/or PMPED hired immediately after the murders, who also wrote statements for AM and the firm, and later set up the reward with a deadline. The PR firm probably contacted the network to setup the interview and coached the siblings on behavior and language. MOO. MOO.

 

[Misy]

Let’s take June 7 timeline. AM called 911 a little after 10. Coroner said TOD approx 9:30. MM texted her friend about the suspicious meeting at Moselle to meet AM to go see his dad at the hospital. She arrived at Moselle at 7-7:30? AM visited his dad and then mom and then came home. Why would MM wait for him for so long…she could have gone to the hospital herself. Well I can try to speculate all day. But my point is what kind of alibi does AM have? None. Or am I missing something?

 

[FeelMyHeat]

Let’s take June 7 timeline. AM called 911 a little after 10. Coroner said TOD approx 9:30. MM texted her friend about the suspicious meeting at Moselle to meet AM to go see his dad at the hospital. She arrived at Moselle at 7-7:30? AM visited his dad and then mom and then came home. Why would MM wait for him for so long…she could have gone to the hospital herself. Well I can try to speculate all day. But my point is what kind of alibi does AM have? None. Or am I missing something?

nope, spot on, not missing anything that I can see...


MOO

 

[clearskies1]

i lost patience with this case for awhile and certainly am not as up-to-date as many of you faithful followers. So please correct me when necessary. And that might be often….

Wasn’t Paul’s phone found at the scene near his body? But yet the killer only took time to toss Maggie’s in the street near the property. Yet it’s Paul’s phone that had crucial evidence.

So why did AM take the time to discard just Maggie’s phone? Odd. And why in the street nearby? There are so many places to lose a phone forever on that property…why in front of the house on the road?

If PM was filmimg whike his parents were arguing or talking…then AM knew PM had a phone too. But while he’s tossing phones, he just cares about one.

Unless MM‘s phone was thrown in the street before the murders.

I remember long ago we speculated on here that MM was in the car with her killer and someone grabbed the phone from her and threw it from the car.

Could it be possible that they did head out in Maggie‘s car earlier to go to the hospital…and the fight started in the car.…so they turned around? She tried to call someone and he grabbed the phone from her while still in the car. When she saw Paul at kennel…she jumped out and he went after her…leaving the car running.

So many odd things.

I've been thinking about the phone tossing as well. Maybe AM didn't see Paul using his phone, and AM might have only been concerned about getting rid of her phone because of possible texts on it about their plan to meet at Moselle that night. It's also possible that her phone was in her car -- away from any blood -- whereas Paul's may have been bloodied or on his person, and AM didn't want to get blood on himself trying to retrieve it. JMO and total speculation.

 

[Rosiebones]

Let’s take June 7 timeline. AM called 911 a little after 10. Coroner said TOD approx 9:30. MM texted her friend about the suspicious meeting at Moselle to meet AM to go see his dad at the hospital. She arrived at Moselle at 7-7:30? AM visited his dad and then mom and then came home. Why would MM wait for him for so long…she could have gone to the hospital herself. Well I can try to speculate all day. But my point is what kind of alibi does AM have? None. Or am I missing something?

It seems to me that the caregiver at his mothers home is the key to his alibi for that night. If she says AM was there when he says he was and LE believes her, then he has an airtight alibi. But, it seems that LE doesn't believe her. Hence, the indictments.

 

[Shadow@light]

It seems to me that the caregiver at his mothers home is the key to his alibi for that night. If she says AM was there when he says he was and LE believes her, then he has an airtight alibi. But, it seems that LE doesn't believe her. Hence, the indictments.

A thought has crossed my mind regarding AM alibi, Paul phone recorded Alex with Maggie around 7-8pm. Care giver states he, AM was with her around the time which was Maggie and Paul's deaths he arrived back at the house /cabin his son and wife just passed away. It was raining that night which could affected body reading,I thought that. However I admit I don't know a lot about gun, but it was stated buckshot was used then executed to the head. IMO I think AM buckshot Maggie and Paul (Possible restraints were used,if M and P were wearing sneckers tie the laces or tie ankle swith something, but I think being buckshot due to the wounds they would be unable to move. AM just left them to die while he drove to his Mother's house, on his return(caregiver remember the quiz show but not the precise time Alex left the house time) he found them still alive/he could have planned it that way, shot them the second time wait for some time before calling for help saying he just found them. IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

A thought has crossed my mind regarding AM alibi, Paul phone recorded Alex with Maggie around 7-8pm. Care giver states he, AM was with her around the time which was Maggie and Paul's deaths he arrived back at the house /cabin his son and wife just passed away. It was raining that night which could affected body reading,I thought that. However I admit I don't know a lot about gun, but it was stated buckshot was used then executed to the head. IMO I think AM buckshot Maggie and Paul (Possible restraints were used,if M and P were wearing sneckers tie the laces or tie ankle swith something, but I think being buckshot due to the wounds they would be unable to move. AM just left them to die while he drove to his Mother's house, on his return(caregiver remember the quiz show but not the precise time Alex left the house time) he found them still alive/he could have planned it that way, shot them the second time wait for some time before calling for help saying he just found them. IMO

According to the 911 call, Murdaugh told the dispatcher his “wife and child have been shot badly” and that neither of them were moving. “I’ve been up to it now,” Murdaugh said. “It’s bad.”

Alex Murdaugh Charged With Murdering Wife And Son

The disgraced South Carolina attorney is also being prosecuted on charges of fraud, money laundering and plotting his own murder.

www.forbes.com

I found this statement odd. I have been with hubby deer hunting. After the deer has been shot depending on where the bullet enters depends on the reaction of the deer. Heart/lung shot the deer will probably run 50-75 yards then collapse, been told to just lay low till they fall out. Told to wait 20 minutes before approaching.

Thinking of that and knowing the M men are hunters I believe that they know that as well.

Jmo

 

[rescuemom]

it’s quite stunning to think that the failure to see that PM had the discipline, parenting, supervision, Psychological help he needed…would one day mean that he would bring down the entire Murdaugh ‘empire.’

If he’d brought Mallory and his friends home that night…as they were begging him to do…all the past would have remained buried and he and his Mother might still be alive.

Maybe not. If MM was wanting to divorce AM the past would surface IMO in some fashion. Also, IMO, an audit of marital assets would drive AM over the edge more so than anything else. If it is true that she was seeking a divorce I wonder what atty would take on the case. Could she find an atty who would represent her that she could trust.

 

[MerryB]

Let’s take June 7 timeline. AM called 911 a little after 10. Coroner said TOD approx 9:30. MM texted her friend about the suspicious meeting at Moselle to meet AM to go see his dad at the hospital. She arrived at Moselle at 7-7:30? AM visited his dad and then mom and then came home. Why would MM wait for him for so long…she could have gone to the hospital herself. Well I can try to speculate all day. But my point is what kind of alibi does AM have? None. Or am I missing something?

I think Maggie and Paul were probably killed closer to the time they arrived at Moselle and were out by the kennels. MOO

Let’s take June 7 timeline. AM called 911 a little after 10. Coroner said TOD approx 9:30. MM texted her friend about the suspicious meeting at Moselle to meet AM to go see his dad at the hospital. She arrived at Moselle at 7-7:30? AM visited his dad and then mom and then came home. Why would MM wait for him for so long…she could have gone to the hospital herself. Well I can try to speculate all day. But my point is what kind of alibi does AM have? None. Or am I missing something?

JMM said Paul left Okatie around 6 PM which would have him arriving at Moselle around 7 PM. Paul had been asked by a friend to check on a dog that they were boarding in their kennels.
People Magazine reports that Maggie arrived at Moselle around 7 PM after texting a friend that something about her correspondence with her estranged husband felt “fishy.” She arrived at Moselle with the intention of following Alex in separate cars to visit her dying father-in-law. People reports that she pulled up alongside the kennels, left her car running, and walked over to speak with Paul. <modsnip - rumor>
FITS News reported that there is video on Paul’s phone that Paul took to send his friend of the dog that was sick/injured. They reported that the video itself was inconsequential (it doesn’t show an argument or murder) but was important because Maggie and Alex are speaking in the background and it is time-stamped. Alex had claimed that he had taken his father to the hospital earlier in the day, returned home and napped, then left to check on his mother in Varnville but had not seen Maggie or Paul. This video is important because it showed they were all together at the kennels before the murders.
Alex’s lawyers claim Alex left Moselle around 9 PM to head to Varnville, which is 20 minutes away. His mother’s caretaker has confirmed he did visit for about 20 minutes that night. That would put him there from roughly 9:20-9:40 PM and returning home around 10 PM. He then “discovered” the bodies and called 911.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think Maggie and Paul were probably killed closer to the time they arrived at Moselle and were out by the kennels. MOO

JMM said Paul left Okatie around 6 PM which would have him arriving at Moselle around 7 PM. Paul had been asked by a friend to check on a dog that they were boarding in their kennels.
People Magazine reports that Maggie arrived at Moselle around 7 PM after texting a friend that something about her correspondence with her estranged husband felt “fishy.” She arrived at Moselle with the intention of following Alex in separate cars to visit her dying father-in-law. People reports that she pulled up alongside the kennels, left her car running, and walked over to speak with Paul. <modsnip - rumor>
FITS News reported that there is video on Paul’s phone that Paul took to send his friend of the dog that was sick/injured. They reported that the video itself was inconsequential (it doesn’t show an argument or murder) but was important because Maggie and Alex are speaking in the background and it is time-stamped. Alex had claimed that he had taken his father to the hospital earlier in the day, returned home and napped, then left to check on his mother in Varnville but had not seen Maggie or Paul. This video is important because it showed they were all together at the kennels before the murders.
Alex’s lawyers claim Alex left Moselle around 9 PM to head to Varnville, which is 20 minutes away. His mother’s caretaker has confirmed he did visit for about 20 minutes that night. That would put him there from roughly 9:20-9:40 PM and returning home around 10 PM. He then “discovered” the bodies and called 911.

Surprised john didn’t mention Paul going there to tend to the dog during the abc interview. I wonder how Paul knew the dog needed looking at.

Jmo

 

[clearskies1]

Wonder if the data on PM's and MM's phones played a role in the coroner's estimated time of death of 9 to 9:30 pm.

 

[Elley Mae]

Wonder if the data on PM's and MM's phones played a role in the coroner's estimated time of death of 9 to 9:30 pm.

Iirc Paul’s phone was not unlocked at that time.

…

On Tuesday, June 15, SLED and the Colleton County Coroner's Office stated that the Murdaugh autopsies are complete and confirmed that both victims died from multiple gunshot wounds sometime between 9 and 9:30 p.m. on Monday, June 7. Their bodies were found outside the residence, relatively close to each other, on the ground near a dog kennel.

Murdaugh autopsy details, SLED timeline released in double homicide

Murdaugh autopsy details, SLED timeline released in high profile double homicide involving a prominent S.C. Lowcountry family.

www.blufftontoday.com

..

June 6, 2022

Video found on Paul Murdaugh’s now-unlocked phone shows Alex and Maggie talking by the dog kennels the evening of June 7, 2021, according to multiple sources.

“Mountain Of Evidence” Piling Up Against Alex Murdaugh, Sources Say

Latest in Murdaugh Murders: A “mountain of evidence“ implicates Alex Murdaugh in the murders of Maggie Murdaugh and Paul Murdaugh.

www.fitsnews.com

 

[Gypsy Road]

Y’all please forgive me, I’m still catching up and trying to read and learn everything I can about this case. Last night I watched the Murdaugh Mystery 3 part series on Discovery ID. Wow. Just wow. Speechless. I realize AM has finally been inducted for the murder of his wife and son, but I’m still trying to understand why he killed both, but mainly why Paul, his son? Were the guns used ever recovered from the crime scene? Could either of those guns been used by Paul?

 

[clearskies1]

Iirc Paul’s phone was not unlocked at that time.

…

On Tuesday, June 15, SLED and the Colleton County Coroner's Office stated that the Murdaugh autopsies are complete and confirmed that both victims died from multiple gunshot wounds sometime between 9 and 9:30 p.m. on Monday, June 7. Their bodies were found outside the residence, relatively close to each other, on the ground near a dog kennel.

Murdaugh autopsy details, SLED timeline released in double homicide

Murdaugh autopsy details, SLED timeline released in high profile double homicide involving a prominent S.C. Lowcountry family.

www.blufftontoday.com

..

June 6, 2022

Video found on Paul Murdaugh’s now-unlocked phone shows Alex and Maggie talking by the dog kennels the evening of June 7, 2021, according to multiple sources.

“Mountain Of Evidence” Piling Up Against Alex Murdaugh, Sources Say

Latest in Murdaugh Murders: A “mountain of evidence“ implicates Alex Murdaugh in the murders of Maggie Murdaugh and Paul Murdaugh.

www.fitsnews.com

Thank you. Wonder how soon they got into Maggie's phone and what it showed.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Let’s take June 7 timeline. AM called 911 a little after 10. Coroner said TOD approx 9:30. MM texted her friend about the suspicious meeting at Moselle to meet AM to go see his dad at the hospital. She arrived at Moselle at 7-7:30? AM visited his dad and then mom and then came home. Why would MM wait for him for so long…she could have gone to the hospital herself. Well I can try to speculate all day. But my point is what kind of alibi does AM have? None. Or am I missing something?

I think one thing we are missing on that timeline is why would AM go to see his dad twice?

He stated he went to see his dad, came back to Moselle, took a nap, left to see his mom, came back to Moselle, called 911 at 10:07 pm. He lied about having seen MM and PM before leaving to see his mom at 9 pm. We know this by the audio PM captured on his phone.

We know MM arrived at Moselle at around 7 pm. PM ate supper with his uncle at 6 pm then headed to Moselle perhaps arriving around 7pm. Found dead at Moselle at 10:07 pm (according to AM's account).

TOD 9-9:30 pm. It was reported they had been dead an hour more or less.

MM's phone found beside road but PM's found with his body.

If you converge those timelines, then I think it was something along the lines that @stmarysmead stated up thread.

Except I think MM arrived at Moselle at 7 pm and AM talked her into letting him ride with her to the hospital because her vehicle was found by LE running in the driveway at 10pm.

There have been no statements about whether either of them knew PM was still there.

There have been no statements about the reason AM said she needed to talk to RM III which she did not deny that she did. She just tried to limit her contact with AM to a public place, the hospital. That indicates, to me anyway, she was wary of his motives for her coming to Moselle. I think he talked her into coming to Moselle by promising to be a good boy but she hedged her bets by asking PM to meet her there.

MOO I think they visited with RM III and then returned to Moselle at around 8:30-9 pm. I think AM behaved himself during that time and MM let her guard down. When they arrived back at Moselle she got out to check on the dogs (it has been stated that MM loved the dogs) and AM walked down to the kennels with her. But it is obvious by that running car she didn't plan to stay long and chitchat with AM. There is no evidence either of them knew PM was there. Indeed, he may even have left when they did and returned to video the injuries on the dog at his friend's request. He caught audio of them talking by the kennels.

I think that AM had those guns stored close to the kennels. Maybe they were always kept there close to the dogs. After all they used both guns and dogs to hunt and the dog food had to be stored somewhere close in a dry place. I can't see it well in the photos of the kennels but there looks to be a white shed attached to the kennels behind them or to the side of the kennels on the far right of the photos.

I think an argument occurred between her and AM or perhaps he just asked her to drop the audit and she said no. He got the shotgun and pointed it at her but PM intervened.

I think AM threw her phone out on the way to his mom's.

This is the only scenario I can think of that would fit the timelines stated.

JMO