SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #32

[303gmf]

Really good article that connects dots.

The Corrupt World Behind the Murdaugh Murders

In isolated, poor regions of South Carolina, coming from an élite family offered a feeling of impunity. Did this license lead Alex Murdaugh to commit fraud after fraud—and then kill his wife and son?

www.newyorker.com

That’s a great read!

 

[sunshineray]

^^bbm

I had the same reaction to AM's testimony and his seeming to be carrying a torch for Russell Laffitte and concluded AM must fear that RL might be considering cooperating with the federal prosecutor-- especially after RL was convicted on all charges in mid-November.

RL's not been sentenced yet and as of today, his sentencing date is not on the docket.

Also, there was some strange activity between the jurors during deliberations and alternates replaced jurors which the defense argues should have resulted in a hung jury, and deliberations halted.

See the link below for more details surrounding RL's conviction posted in the previous thread.

SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #31

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11782643/Drone-footage-reveals-Murdaughs-brother-son-removing-guns-three-months-murders.html

www.websleuths.com

I think he sounded scared of the Laffittes and was in damage control mode when talking about them...maybe too many things known that can still come to light? Just my take on it, by AM's demeanor.

 

[Recidivist]

I’m watching his first interview by LE and he tells a crazy story about a worker of his named CB Rowe. I’ve missed information about Mr. Rowe. But I’ve seen that name. Who is he?

He is the person whose DNA was found under Maggie's fingernails.

 

[minor4th]

Referring to this I believe:
Alex Murdaugh charged in money laundering and drug scheme

That makes a lot more sense than the malarkey that he spent all that money on drugs for his personal use.

 

[Halo_1128]

Possible. Rich and entitled. What a shame.

I was very put off with MM's attitude when GS fell .It was no concern or sympathy in her voice at all . According to PM ex ,GS raised PM and gave him the love and attention that his mom didn't.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

He is the person whose DNA was found under Maggie's fingernails.

He was their groundskeeper keeper, not confirmed it was his DNA

it recently came to light that cell phone records show he was nowhere near the vicinity of Moselle around the time Maggie and Paul were shot to death, which essentially clears him of all suspicion. Plus, although there have been rumors suggesting the DNA recovered from underneath Maggie’s fingernails during her autopsy was his, they remain without any backing to this day.

Who is C.B. Rowe? What Was The Groundskeeper's Testimony?

With Netflix’s ‘Murdaugh Murders: A Southern Scandal’ revisiting the haunting tale of power and cover-ups involving the titular family, we get a true insight into the dark side of human nature. After all, these Hampton County, South Carolina natives were once deemed the most prominent in the...

thecinemaholic.com

 

[Seattle1]

I’m watching his first interview by LE and he tells a crazy story about a worker of his named CB Rowe. I’ve missed information about Mr. Rowe. But I’ve seen that name. Who is he?

CB Rowe was the caretaker AM hired that ruined the sunflowers that PM was going to have to replant. AM told investigators he wanted to terminate him but he couldn't because he didn't have anybody else to clean the kennels. On the date of the murders, he took the day off to take his father to the doctor.
AM first told investigators he was suspicious because he told PM some weird tale about being offered a job as a sniper for the government. A day later, AM told investigators he wasn't suspicious and it couldn't be him.

Just smoke and mirrors by AM trying to deflect the investigation. MOO

 

[otto]

I am not sure that he did not hate his wife and son hated that Paul was the reason he was going to be exposed, hated that Maggie was putting pressure on him about the pills and money. I think AM definitely fits the saying don’t judge a book by its cover. On the outside he appears caring, why he was able to steal from so many for over a decade. I put zero stock, have zero confidence in how AM appears to be. Unfortunately, there’s a way too long of a list of family annihilators who appeared loving family men, John List, Chris Watts, Christian Lango to name a few. MOO

What if Paul knew something extra about the death of Stephen Smith, and Maggie knew something extra about the death of Gloria Satterfield. They would be liabilities when Alex's financial fraud was investigated, and their deaths eliminated the witness while eliciting a poor me distraction.

 

[keek]

Forgive me, for I struggle to be brief.

The central theme of AM's life is greed. He appears to be fine with draining people who have so little in the way of resources socially, physically, or financially if it benefits him in any small way.

Relationships are the currency of the poor. If your truck breaks down, you don't call a tow truck, you call a friend or neighbor to help you. If there is a tragedy, people rally around you and bring you food, or donate $ to help you out. Affluent people pay for all of the services that are typically provided by the friends and family of the poor. People living in poverty protect their relationships fiercely, and will give up many of their limited worldly items and $ to help a friend out.

AM can take advantage of the people around him because they are playing with two different sets of values and rules, and he seems to straddle the worlds of the advantaged and the disadvantaged. The poor people around him are operating under the assumption that you help a fella out whenever you can. He is operating under the principle that you always take the biggest slice of the cake that you can secure. It is a recipe for imbalance and predation.

AM loves to sidle up to someone with the 'ol "Hey Bo, can you do me a favor?" You can hear him working on Buster in this way in the jail calls. AM uses the kindness of others to get them to do what he wants, and he is not encumbered by the principles of fairness. He makes unreasonable requests, but he does it the folksy tone of the poor, and people feel obligated to help him out. He has really mastered how to get people to feel sorry for him in circumstances where he has no business requesting anything, and as I have said before, this is how he operates as a predator. His lies are almost always about garnering sympathy, and he knows how to tap the sympathy vein for $ and pity.

Anyone entering into a relationship with AM needs to ask themself, where am I being punctured, and what is he draining from me?

Relationships are his weapon. Does that make sense?

Make sense? THIS WAS FABULOUS and touched me beyond with your perfection and understanding of how it all works in life with the 'two separate levels of people. Oh i despise him for what he takes of those who only have themselves to offer which is everything.

 

[Mysticeilis]

IMO it was AM that declared these killings were related to the boat wreck implying there was no threat to the public.

There were not 300 guns. Counting the 18 guns in the gun cabinet + the 4 SLED took + the 2 that were missing that's 24. If some were other places, like in a gun safe, the bedroom, caretaker cabin, front porch rocker, etc there's no pictures of them so I can't count them. AM claims he had a handgun at Almeda and he kept one in his car so add 2 more. If there were other handguns they haven't been mentioned. My best guess is 30 guns max.

Where was that drone video of the guns being removed from the house and put into a pickup truck? How many guns did family members or friends remove then?

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

CB Rowe was the caretaker AM hired that ruined the sunflowers that PM was going to have to replant. AM told investigators he wanted to terminate him but he couldn't because he didn't have anybody else to clean the kennels. On the date of the murders, he took the day off to take his father to the doctor.
AM first told investigators he was suspicious because he told PM some weird tale about being offered a job as a sniper for the government. A day later, AM told investigators he wasn't suspicious and it couldn't be him.

Just smoke and mirrors by AM trying to deflect the investigation. MOO

I thought Roger Dale Davis was the kennel caretaker who came twice a day, was OCD about wrapping up the hose, took the stand, etc.

if CB Rowe mistakenly sprayed the sunflowers I wonder how he messed that up!

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Forgive me, for I struggle to be brief.

The central theme of AM's life is greed. He appears to be fine with draining people who have so little in the way of resources socially, physically, or financially if it benefits him in any small way.

Relationships are the currency of the poor. If your truck breaks down, you don't call a tow truck, you call a friend or neighbor to help you. If there is a tragedy, people rally around you and bring you food, or donate $ to help you out. Affluent people pay for all of the services that are typically provided by the friends and family of the poor. People living in poverty protect their relationships fiercely, and will give up many of their limited worldly items and $ to help a friend out.

AM can take advantage of the people around him because they are playing with two different sets of values and rules, and he seems to straddle the worlds of the advantaged and the disadvantaged. The poor people around him are operating under the assumption that you help a fella out whenever you can. He is operating under the principle that you always take the biggest slice of the cake that you can secure. It is a recipe for imbalance and predation.

AM loves to sidle up to someone with the 'ol "Hey Bo, can you do me a favor?" You can hear him working on Buster in this way in the jail calls. AM uses the kindness of others to get them to do what he wants, and he is not encumbered by the principles of fairness. He makes unreasonable requests, but he does it the folksy tone of the poor, and people feel obligated to help him out. He has really mastered how to get people to feel sorry for him in circumstances where he has no business requesting anything, and as I have said before, this is how he operates as a predator. His lies are almost always about garnering sympathy, and he knows how to tap the sympathy vein for $ and pity.

Anyone entering into a relationship with AM needs to ask themself, where am I being punctured, and what is he draining from me?

Relationships are his weapon. Does that make sense?

Great post, as MB testified “people were AM’s trade”, a master at manipulation moo

 

[Walela]

I’m watching his first interview by LE and he tells a crazy story about a worker of his named CB Rowe. I’ve missed information about Mr. Rowe. But I’ve seen that name. Who is he?

Claude "CB" Rowe was hired by AM to help maintain the grounds at Moselle. He once was a chemistry teacher at Thomas Heyward Academy (private school from where Paul graduated). I find it ironic that a chemistry teacher wouldn't know enough not to poison the sunflowers.
CB Rowe

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I've been thinking a lot about what the reason could be for two guns lately, too. I agree, to make it appear as though there were two shooters and ensuring plenty of rounds makes sense. But also, I see it as a backup plan. Say one gun jams after one victim had been shot. He couldn't just drop the gun and run leaving a witness behind. He had a job to carry out and wanted to make absolutely certain he succeeded. JMO.

Agree 100%

 

[Walela]

Where was that drone video of the guns being removed from the house and put into a pickup truck? How many guns did family members or friends remove then?

In this thread a few posts back I think. I hope you find it.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I've been thinking a lot about what the reason could be for two guns lately, too. I agree, to make it appear as though there were two shooters and ensuring plenty of rounds makes sense. But also, I see it as a backup plan. Say one gun jams after one victim had been shot. He couldn't just drop the gun and run leaving a witness behind. He had a job to carry out and wanted to make absolutely certain he succeeded. JMO.

So we know according to Maggie’s sister, Paul lured her back to Moselle that day. What have we heard of him making sure Paul would be there as well? Paul shared a place with Will Loving although Will did testify that Paul was often in various locations.

 

[otto]

I was very put off with MM's attitude when GS fell .It was no concern or sympathy in her voice at all . According to PM ex ,GS raised PM and gave him the love and attention that his mom didn't.

It sounded as urgent as don't forget to take the garbage on your way out. Maggie didn't know how old she was, guessed 57. She got it wrong by a year.

The prosperous, prominent family. I wonder when Gloria told Paul's girlfriend that she either has to accept it, or distance herself, suggested that she distance herself to protect herself. Paul was not going to stop drinking, and it sounds like he was abusive. Friends were concerned.

In the Netflix series, his former girlfriend reported that he woke her up one night telling her to be quiet and he punched her in the knee. That stood out for me, in the knee? Bruises where they are not seen? Where did Paul learn this as a 16-18 year old?

 

[Carolina Girl]

He is the person whose DNA was found under Maggie's fingernails.

I thought they said it was a few strands and there were probably 30 people in the courtroom with the same strands?

 

[Ray_of_hope]

So AM believes that an angry social media person committed the crime. Then why didn’t he call Buster first after the 911 call to check on him and warn him?
Because he knew he had done it.

 

[justtrish]

I thought they said it was a few strands and there were probably 30 people in the courtroom with the same strands?

Yes it was a few shared somethings.. (not sure if stands or alleles or whatever it is) and I feel like they probably had a match to him because he was one that was being compared to. If they compared anyone else with shared parts, they also would come up as a match for those shared bits, but that doesn't mean it's a DNA match. I wish I understood it all better, but it was my understanding it was so many many times likely not to be him even though they had the shared strands.