SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #32

[minusfour]

So, the defence has a couple of witnesses left to go? Then will it go to closing arguments?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

So has anyone come up with any theories on how these murders were pulled off? AM has admitted he was there and in the golf cart. So now it makes sense that he drove both victims to the crime scene. It was a 6 seater golf cart? Anyone think this golf cart came into play? Explains the trajectory of the bullets? Was he sitting in the golf cart with both guns? Shoots PM while he’s standing in the feed room? MM runs and he circles her while shooting? Which also explains the different trajectories and entry wounds? Thoughts?

Or he says he's not going down to the kennels and then rides down there with the guns hidden in the cart and shoots his wife and son.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Thank you! I was beginning to think I am the only one who thought Waters did a great job. In addition, AM looked like a fool.
I have read here that jurors were crying during his testimony. There is a young YouTube reporter names “James” who also reported from the Depp trial. He works alone and does not work for a news organization. He has been to the trial every day. He said none of the jurors have cried one time. He also said all the jurors look bored and one even rolled his eyes. As far as the juror with the blanket over her head, jurors were all provided blankets because James said the courtroom was freezing.
I believe AM will be found guilty. It is possible there will be a hung jury but I don’t think so. Someone murdered a mother and her son and AM placed himself there with his own testimony.
As for his Southern accent, that’s just the way people in the South speak. I listened to him. I didn’t find his accent off putting. Those jurors have likely heard his voice before.

I agree with you and minor4th. For me, it all comes down to AM lying about being at the murder scene. He would have no reason to lie about that unless he KNEW they were dead before he left Moselle. He is revealed as a habitual criminal who lies to cover up his crimes.

 

[Luna20]

It was Alex's great grandfather, Randolph Murdaugh, Sr., who pulled his car to a stop while on top of the train tracks in 1940. The train pushed his car 900'. His son, Buster Murdaugh, Jr., sued the train company which propelled the family into power and wealth. This article is a nice source regarding how the M's law firm succeeded until Alex's demise brought it asunder.

FEB 16, 2022
Legal Revenge
Within a week of the fatal 1940 train crash, the 14th Circuit had a new Solicitor, Randolph “Buster” Murdaugh Jr., who would continue to grow the Murdaugh family legacy and fortune. He would start by taking legal revenge of sorts for his father's death.

Randolph Jr., as executor of his father’s will and estate, filed a summons and complaint against the Charleston and Western Carolina Railway Co.

From 1992 to 2002, PMPED filed four dozen personal injury cases against CSX, and from 1995 to 2002, CSX paid $18.8 million in verdicts and settlements..

Trouble with Trains: The crash – and lawsuit – that helped launch the Murdaugh dynasty

What was Alex doing during the train lawsuit era?

Murdaugh says he became an assistant solicitor around 1998. Waters asks if he got a badge. Murdaugh says yes. From 1998 to 2021, Murdaugh thinks he was involved in around five jury trials, all with his father.

Waters presents Murdaugh’s assistant solicitor badge and his grandfather’s assistant solicitor badge, which Murdaugh inherited when he died. Alex Murdaugh testifies in double-murder trial

This is very interesting, I wasn’t aware that it was suicide. They have had turmoil within the family for years.

 

[Luna20]

Alex Murdaugh admitting to being a liar was 'clever defense jiu-jitsu': Retired NYPD inspector Paul Mauro

Former NYPD inspector and attorney Paul Mauro breaks down how Alex Murdaugh's defense strategy of admitting to previously lying could be beneficial on "Sunday Night in America."

www.foxnews.com

Read the comments.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Body language experts, interrogators, and law enforcement personnel will be using AM's testimony for decades to teach people on how to spot when people are lying. I'm no expert but enjoy watching breakdowns by body language specialists and even I was picking up 100's of instances of deception during his time on the stand. His entire time on the stand was nothing but BS. It's so obvious.

There were lots of language "tells" too--the overuse of details, answering questions with questions, phrases like "I can't recall" and "I would never..."

 

[LaborDayRN]

I was very put off with MM's attitude when GS fell .It was no concern or sympathy in her voice at all . According to PM ex ,GS raised PM and gave him the love and attention that his mom didn't.

Welcome to WebSleuths!

 

[rahod1]

Yes, that is what I have been thinking. How did Alex not hear seven gunshots?

Simple way to solve this. Take the jury out to his house and fire those weapons.

 

[ch_13]

I don't think any of the four of them had friends. They had transactional "friends," so AM and MM could yuk it up dressed up all fancy at the governor's mansion, or they could be throwing back beers at a pig roast under a giant rented tent in their backyard. PM and BM had a boat to entertain with. And I think MM was realizing that there was no reason for her to be home all day since both kids were in college, and she really didn't have any girlfriends to hang out with outside events or parties. Not one of these four has had anyone come forward to say "I'll really miss getting coffee with MM on Wednesdays for our book club" or anything like that.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Both Chris Wilson and Mark Bell testified that their wives were close to Maggie and their kids were close to Paul and Buster. I have no reason to believe they were lying.

There are many people who just don't feel a need to spill their guts to the media. Frankly, I'm the same way. If someone close to me was ever murdered (or was a murderer) I would never give an interview to tell the world how I felt about it. I would of course testify in court, and I'd probably talk to others in my social circle. But I'd sooner tear out my hair than choose to appear on Nancy Grace.


Edit - Just to clarify, I'm not talking about missing person cases or other instances where publicity is required in order to get justice.

 

[Luna20]

So, the defence has a couple of witnesses left to go? Then will it go to closing arguments?

It was said here that there may be some rebuttals before closing.

 

[DeDee]

YTer has made a video of the sounds in the background of AMs 911 call. YTer claims since you cannot hear the dogs barking in the beginning, because AM did not want the phone call to drop; hence, he was not by the kennels and likely was still inside or standing aside his vehicle.

When does the dog barking begin? The 911 call is at about the 1:29 minute mark before I can detect the dogs barking.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Alex Murdaugh admitting to being a liar was 'clever defense jiu-jitsu': Retired NYPD inspector Paul Mauro

Former NYPD inspector and attorney Paul Mauro breaks down how Alex Murdaugh's defense strategy of admitting to previously lying could be beneficial on "Sunday Night in America."

www.foxnews.com

Read the comments.

There's a ton of comments. I read through lot's of them. Is there any comment in particular you'd like to point out? Maybe the posters initials?

 

[Seattle1]

Alex Murdaugh admitting to being a liar was 'clever defense jiu-jitsu': Retired NYPD inspector Paul Mauro

Former NYPD inspector and attorney Paul Mauro breaks down how Alex Murdaugh's defense strategy of admitting to previously lying could be beneficial on "Sunday Night in America."

www.foxnews.com

Read the comments.

Listened to the video at the quoted link and an interesting bit from the guest about the jury instructions for SC.

The guest states Judge Newman will provide the jurors with written instructions and pursuant to SC Law, he will write in the instructions that the jurors may consider AM's suicide attempt as a sign of guilt.

I learn something every day.

 

[Pruddennce]

What did he gain from killing them? I’ve wondered that too. If he had insurance on either of them then I could get a financial motive to get him out of the hot water he knew was coming. But apparently he didn’t - by the way am I the only one that thinks that not having insurance at least on Maggie is odd? But i digress….back to possible motive…

I also found it odd that he killed Maggie and Paul but did not seem to attempt to get Buster out there that day. So is it possible that Maggie had enough of the drugs and began to suspect issues with the finances and Paul (the little detective) was supporting her decision to put her foot down? Or that when he said “when Maggie asked me to leave” before correcting himself to say when she asked me to go to the kennel that she really had asked him to leave and that he knew he would lose everything? Or perhaps they threatened to bring his family and his law partners in on what they knew? Buster didn’t seem to be as involved in the “caught you with drugs again” thing as Maggie & Paul - is that why he wasn’t included?

<modsnip>

I believe it was taking his dad to the doctor. I was curious if he told them weeks ahead, days, that day? Did Alex know he would not be there that day? I would think this makes the perfect day to commit a crime like this because he could plant things as he needed them ahead of time and no worries the groundskeeper comes in and moves things or changes them. He had the entire morning before he left for work at noon to do what he needed to do and nobody was there until 4 or so I forget the guys name, but he came to take care of the dogs or clean the kennels out. He testified. So I think whatever Alex staged was not going to be around the kennels that day, but there was plenty of places to put guns or have things set up for his perfect crime.

....although Roger Dale Davis did testify he would sometimes see weapons left there, mostly in the golf cart or the side by side or truck and mostly during hunting season...which all had keys left in them for anyone to use......but weapons never left in the feed room. IMO AM had the weapons in the golf cart. if they saw them and asked why, he probably said some BS about why they were in the cart if he even had to since guns are the norm. he plays with the chicken, they are not on alert (as you hear in the video/audio), goes to the cart saying he's leaving, picks one up, aims and fires. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe this has been mentioned. This whole Alex Murdaugh Case is a 3 episode Netflix Documentary limited series.

I was watching it tonight and looked to see if there is a WS thread about it. I am glad to see that there is a thread about it and thought I'd mention the Netflix Documentary. It has a large amount of insider interviews.

 

[Pruddennce]

Or he says he's not going down to the kennels and then rides down there with the guns hidden in the cart and shoots his wife and son.

I dont think he needed to hide them. guns are the norm. he could have said anything to them as to why they were in the cart. he arrived and had a brief interaction with the chicken as heard on the audio. AM and PM were unaware what would happen next..I agree with you they were in the cart.

 

[Seattle1]

....although Roger Dale Davis did testify he would sometimes see weapons left there, mostly in the golf cart or the side by side or truck and mostly during hunting season...which all had keys left in them for anyone to use......but weapons never left in the feed room. IMO AM had the weapons in the golf cart. if they saw them and asked why, he probably said some BS about why they were in the cart. he plays with the chicken, they are not on alert (as you hear in the video/audio), goes to the cart saying he's leaving, picks one up, aims and fires. IMO

OP's scenario screams that it takes ice chips running in those veins to be AM.

Can't imagine being Buster and being invited to be alone with AM.

In the last jailhouse call when AM seems absolutely tone-deaf to Buster's silence when AM was trying to encourage Buster to return to Moselle to go hunting, and finally says he'll extend the invitation to Jim Griffin if it's alright with Buster, I gasped! Bloody unbelievable.

 

[minusfour]

Alex Murdaugh admitting to being a liar was 'clever defense jiu-jitsu': Retired NYPD inspector Paul Mauro

Former NYPD inspector and attorney Paul Mauro breaks down how Alex Murdaugh's defense strategy of admitting to previously lying could be beneficial on "Sunday Night in America."

www.foxnews.com

Read the comments.

The comments give well considered rebuttals to some important defence points. This trial seems quite polarizing.I started the trial convinced of AM's guilt, and have become even more sure as the trial has proceeded. I have seen exactly nothing that has given me any doubt, and much that has supported my position. I don't think the defence has been especially clever, and don't think JG should be representing AM, because of his earlier role after the murders. AM is fighting like a cornered rat, and I understand why he is, but the case seems hopelessly lost to me, even given some of the problems with the investigation.

Other's see the defence glass more half full. Given what they have to work with, (granted, it's pretty bad), they have spun their arguments well, or cleverly. I've read claims of the murders failing to reach the reasonable doubt threshold, speculations of a hung jury, or worse, a tainted one.

Whatever else he is, he's a confessed liar and thief. We've just seen convincing digital evidence. We've heard quite gripping direct and cross examination of his peers, that even they didn't recognise the monster that AM's charisma and manipulations hid. We've heard from Tony Satterfield, from Mark Tinsley. AM has sat through this trial, watching all those he has hurt, and still he thinks it is a good idea to testify.

 

[MaisieBella]

Does anyone have the animation video of AM shooting PM and MM (kennels) that I posted yesterday or day before handy?

They were regular size people and I think the color was blue.

TIA

Try this!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1629157802215362560

 

[Curious Me]

JMO, someone brought up that Paul could've been shot with AM sitting in the golf cart for the 5'2" height. Possible? Another thing is so many people don't believe all that money went towards AM being addicted that heavy to drugs. People see him as even more of a liar lying about his super unbelievable $ drug habit. He sounds rehearsed about drugs to me, I just don't buy the extent of his habit. There's something else not revealed. I wish Waters would on cross ask him lots of drug questions just to make AM add doubt in the jurors minds, and confirm that almost everything Alex says is a lie. MOO, the hidden truths must be even more damning.​