Search Warrant Sought Items From Anthony Home Dec. 20th

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Above is the post I originally responded to. Cindy did not require a search warrant, did not refuse to give LE what they asked for, and was cooperative at the time Caylee was reported missing.

Ya, she tried to clean the car up, and the stinky things inside it, as a favour to LE. Having been married to a cop, Cindy would have known they would get a warrant if she didn't provide the items voluntarily, and it appears she deliberately did not give them Caylee's own hairbrush, and had joked that she should have given them the dog's toothbrush. Her behaviour re the brush caused LE to have to waste time going back and getting a warrant go get the brush. Doesn't sound that co-operative to me.
 
Exactly, it doesn't gel with George's statement which is why I believe George was telling the truth. His statement hurts Casey's case, it doesn't help.

I doubt that was deliberate on his part! He didn't remember the date or the time, so I find it odd that he remembers the clothes. Maybe that's what she was wearing on the 9th as he originally said.
 
LOL!!!!! That quote is from August!!! Nice try.

Since then they've asked for immunity!!!

That was the time in question.

"Since then" their lawyer has stated that HE intended to ask for immunity. He specifically said that the A's had not. If you're going to rely on his statements to make an assertion then you should use his WHOLE statement.
 
The discussion was about the items given to LE at the start of the case, including the hairbrush and the pants. It was questioned whether the A's were cooperative at THAT time. Obviously, they were.

Chilly, with all due respect, when someone is cooperating with someone else, shouldn't they cooperate to the fullest extent with no hidden meaning or agenda? Shouldn't they cooperate purely without contamination? It it my very honest opinion, given the fact that CA is a nurse & GA is an ex cop, they both know the smell of a dead corpse and should have called LE before even leaving the tow yard. To make matters worse, even if it seems superficial, GA contaminated evidence by throwing the trash from the trunk directly into the trash can. CA contaminated evidence (& probably rendered useless) by picking up the gray slacks & washing them b/c they smelled like the car. She also found a knife in the car & took it in the house to wash it. Heck, GA contaminated evidence just by getting into the car & driving it home, knowing it smelled "like a damn dead body's been in the car". Those are CA's words quoted, not mine. So if they knew what the smell was, heck even suspected what the smell was, and given their backgrounds, how could that be seen as cooperating? CA informed that her email was hacked and that was the result of the message regarding the wrong hairbrush. Sure, the A's might have cooperated with some things but definitely not all. Of course this is JMHO and I honestly do not believe they cooperated to the fullest extent, be it willingly, honestly and purely for the sake of little Caylee. In my opinion, they must have suspected all along otherwise they would have called law enforcement right away. Thanks for reading.
 
That was the time in question.

"Since then" their lawyer has stated that HE intended to ask for immunity. He specifically said that the A's had not. If you're going to rely on his statements to make an assertion then you should use his WHOLE statement.

He acts for the As....he is their agent...if he asks, it is on their behalf, no matter what he tries to convince the general public of.
 
Search Warrant - December 20th

I'm curious about a number of items listed on this search warrant. OCSO wanted "the original clothing George Anthony last saw Caylee Anthony wearing on June 16th (pink colored top, blue jean skirt or skort, white shoes, small child's backpack with monkey design and white rimmed sunglasses)..."

Why would they be seeking this specific clothing on December 20th and not prior? GA told them the clothes Caylee was supposed to be wearing a long time ago. They waited until last month to get those clothes? :waitasec:
Ha! I always thought that that was what KC meant when/if she said "They haven't even found her clothes yet.." That the clothes GA reported her missing in were right there in the home! :crazy:
 
Chilly, with all due respect, when someone is cooperating with someone else, shouldn't they cooperate to the fullest extent with no hidden meaning or agenda? Shouldn't they cooperate purely without contamination? It it my very honest opinion, given the fact that CA is a nurse & GA is an ex cop, they both know the smell of a dead corpse and should have called LE before even leaving the tow yard. To make matters worse, even if it seems superficial, GA contaminated evidence by throwing the trash from the trunk directly into the trash can. CA contaminated evidence (& probably rendered useless) by picking up the gray slacks & washing them b/c they smelled like the car. She also found a knife in the car & took it in the house to wash it. Heck, GA contaminated evidence just by getting into the car & driving it home, knowing it smelled "like a damn dead body's been in the car". Those are CA's words quoted, not mine. So if they knew what the smell was, heck even suspected what the smell was, and given their backgrounds, how could that be seen as cooperating? CA informed that her email was hacked and that was the result of the message regarding the wrong hairbrush. Sure, the A's might have cooperated with some things but definitely not all. Of course this is JMHO and I honestly do not believe they cooperated to the fullest extent, be it willingly, honestly and purely for the sake of little Caylee. In my opinion, they must have suspected all along otherwise they would have called law enforcement right away. Thanks for reading.

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Ha! I always thought that that was what KC meant when/if she said "They haven't even found her clothes yet.." That the clothes GA reported her missing in were right there in the home! :crazy:

Yep and double wow! LE needs to show they did a better job in collecting their linking evidence than the delayed search warrant requests, especially the one requesting Caylee's clothes. I can see how GA could say skirt and KC could say shorts b/c maybe it was a denim skort? Who knows. Either way, LE should have followed up on KC's, as well as GA's statements. If they obtained a search warrant to search the yard, why didn't they include Caylee's clothes in that search? If anything, it could have maybe proven she was in those clothes (if they weren't in the house). Maybe they still aren't in the house & they've been disposed of, who knows, but the facts show that maybe LE wasn't as thorough as we initially thought they were.
 
Chilly, with all due respect, when someone is cooperating with someone else, shouldn't they cooperate to the fullest extent with no hidden meaning or agenda? Shouldn't they cooperate purely without contamination? It it my very honest opinion, given the fact that CA is a nurse & GA is an ex cop, they both know the smell of a dead corpse and should have called LE before even leaving the tow yard. To make matters worse, even if it seems superficial, GA contaminated evidence by throwing the trash from the trunk directly into the trash can. CA contaminated evidence (& probably rendered useless) by picking up the gray slacks & washing them b/c they smelled like the car. She also found a knife in the car & took it in the house to wash it. Heck, GA contaminated evidence just by getting into the car & driving it home, knowing it smelled "like a damn dead body's been in the car". Those are CA's words quoted, not mine. So if they knew what the smell was, heck even suspected what the smell was, and given their backgrounds, how could that be seen as cooperating? CA informed that her email was hacked and that was the result of the message regarding the wrong hairbrush. Sure, the A's might have cooperated with some things but definitely not all. Of course this is JMHO and I honestly do not believe they cooperated to the fullest extent, be it willingly, honestly and purely for the sake of little Caylee. In my opinion, they must have suspected all along otherwise they would have called law enforcement right away. Thanks for reading.

Well said!!! not to mention handing over all c.c. statements, as asked for.
 
In George's interview with LE, which was at that same time, George told LE that he had warned Cindy that they could be arrested because of their lack of cooperation. You may feel they were cooperating, but George obvious didn't feel that he or Cindy were.

ETA: Also, Cindy said on national TV the day of/day before bond hearing, also that timeframe, that the As would not cooperate. Yuri M testified about this at the bond hearing.

Yes, BeanE, this is true. I read this also in official docs & transcripts. Thanks for refreshing our memories.:blowkiss:
 
Chilly, with all due respect, when someone is cooperating with someone else, shouldn't they cooperate to the fullest extent with no hidden meaning or agenda? Shouldn't they cooperate purely without contamination? It it my very honest opinion, given the fact that CA is a nurse & GA is an ex cop, they both know the smell of a dead corpse and should have called LE before even leaving the tow yard. To make matters worse, even if it seems superficial, GA contaminated evidence by throwing the trash from the trunk directly into the trash can. CA contaminated evidence (& probably rendered useless) by picking up the gray slacks & washing them b/c they smelled like the car. She also found a knife in the car & took it in the house to wash it. Heck, GA contaminated evidence just by getting into the car & driving it home, knowing it smelled "like a damn dead body's been in the car". Those are CA's words quoted, not mine. So if they knew what the smell was, heck even suspected what the smell was, and given their backgrounds, how could that be seen as cooperating? CA informed that her email was hacked and that was the result of the message regarding the wrong hairbrush. Sure, the A's might have cooperated with some things but definitely not all. Of course this is JMHO and I honestly do not believe they cooperated to the fullest extent, be it willingly, honestly and purely for the sake of little Caylee. In my opinion, they must have suspected all along otherwise they would have called law enforcement right away. Thanks for reading.

I don't know about you, but if I got in my kid's car and it smelled bad the absolute last thing that would go through my mind is that they killed someone and hid the dead body in the trunk, especially when I didn't have any real reason to believe that anyone was dead or missing. I would, just like Cindy, start cleaning out the car in an attempt to find and remove the source of the odor. Sheesh, if having a stinky car was a crime, my sons would have a record as long as your arm. I only wish I could have had them arrested when their rooms stunk.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe that there was any evidence on those pants other than the decomp smell that permeated the entire car. People refuse to believe George's story about Casey wearing those particular pants on the day Caylee disappeared, yet they insist that, because Casey was wearing them that day, they must have contained evidence. For the life of me I can't figure that one out.

Someone posted a video to Cindy's explanation about the hair brush as well as the clothing and it makes perfect sense. I hope whoever it was reads this and will post the link again. The brush is such a non-issue anyway. LE asked Cindy for a brush with Caylee's hair and she gave them one voluntarily, along with many other items containing Caylee's DNA. She wasn't trying to hide anything or mislead anyone. Yuri knew up front that it was a brush used by both Casey and Caylee.

It was Simon B, not George, who threw the trash bag in the dumpster. That's what most people do with smelly trash. They don't save it in case they might learn later that a crime was committed and the trash might be considered evidence....although I'll try using that excuse next trash day and see how far it gets me.

Have the A's cooperated completely? Probably not, but I don't think the extent of their non-cooperation is nearly as great as some posters here like to believe it is. They have done nothing to hinder the prosecution in their case against Casey and have willingly provided much evidence and information that will be used against her.
 
LOL!!!!! That quote is from August!!! Nice try.

Since then they've asked for immunity!!!

That was the time in question.

"Since then" their lawyer has stated that HE intended to ask for immunity. He specifically said that the A's had not. If you're going to rely on his statements to make an assertion then you should use his WHOLE statement.

He acts for the As....he is their agent...if he asks, it is on their behalf, no matter what he tries to convince the general public of.

If I recall correctly, and I may well have missed something, BC claimed specifically that the A's were not themselves asking for immunity, but rather that he was intending to (as you say, in their behalf) as some sort of routine (?) precautionary measure.

Not being a lawyer I can't address the wisdom or logic of that, but if it's true, even if it's mistaken, then there is no reason to attribute suspicious motives to G & C.

If it's not true then there would be reason to discuss the A's motives for such a request. I would certainly entertain the possibility that BC was lying about this, but at present I have no cause to believe that he is.
 
I don't know about you, but if I got in my kid's car and it smelled bad the absolute last thing that would go through my mind is that they killed someone and hid the dead body in the trunk, especially when I didn't have any real reason to believe that anyone was dead or missing. I would, just like Cindy, start cleaning out the car in an attempt to find and remove the source of the odor. Sheesh, if having a stinky car was a crime, my sons would have a record as long as your arm. I only wish I could have had them arrested when their rooms stunk.


Have the A's cooperated completely? Probably not, but I don't think the extent of their non-cooperation is nearly as great as some posters here like to believe it is. They have done nothing to hinder the prosecution in their case against Casey and have willingly provided much evidence and information that will be used against her.

*Respectfully snipped and BOLDED by little me*

Respectfully CW... we are forgetting that GA admitted to LE that before he drove home in the Pontiac that he checked the trunk and thought "please don't let this be my Caylee" or something in that regard. So why would he even think such thing??? We are also forgetting that he and CA had an incling Caylee was missing or something wasn't right. CA had not spoken to Caylee in how long? They both KNEW something was amiss and they IMO let KC run the show..mistake BIG mistake. JMO.
 
If I recall correctly, and I may well have missed something, BC claimed specifically that the A's were not themselves asking for immunity, but rather that he was intending to (as you say, in their behalf) as some sort of routine (?) precautionary measure.

Not being a lawyer I can't address the wisdom or logic of that, but if it's true, even if it's mistaken, then there is no reason to attribute suspicious motives to G & C.

If it's not true then there would be reason to discuss the A's motives for such a request. I would certainly entertain the possibility that BC was lying about this, but at present I have no cause to believe that he is.

You cannot ask for immunity without your client's ok to do so....he wants people to believe differently. It is not a routine precautionary measure...I think anyone would be very hard pressed to find a case anywhere in the USA where something like this has happened before, where the grandparents of a murder victim demand immunity or refuse to co-operate with police investigating the murder.

I think the key words in your post are the ones I bolded....that's what he claims.
 
*Respectfully snipped and BOLDED by little me*

Respectfully CW... we are forgetting that GA admitted to LE that before he drove home in the Pontiac that he checked the trunk and thought "please don't let this be my Caylee" or something in that regard. So why would he even think such thing??? We are also forgetting that he and CA had an incling Caylee was missing or something wasn't right. CA had not spoken to Caylee in how long? They both KNEW something was amiss and they IMO let KC run the show..mistake BIG mistake. JMO.

When I was a child I thought monsters lived in my closet. At night I'd have to sneak out of bed and take a peek to prove to myself that they weren't really there. Of course I was ready to take off running if one of them reached out to grab me when I opened the door.

One look was all it took to convince me that my fears were silly and that the monsters existed nowhere but in my imagination. I think it was the same way for George when he looked in the trunk. He may even have laughed at himself for having such a ridiculous thought.
 
You cannot ask for immunity without your client's ok to do so....he wants people to believe differently. It is not a routine precautionary measure...I think anyone would be very hard pressed to find a case anywhere in the USA where something like this has happened before, where the grandparents of a murder victim demand immunity or refuse to co-operate with police investigating the murder.

I think the key words in your post are the ones I bolded....that's what he claims.

All good and valid points.

Question (not a trick one, honest, I really don't know). Has he asked for immunity, or is he just talking about it so far?
 
All good and valid points.

Question (not a trick one, honest, I really don't know). Has he asked for immunity, or is he just talking about it so far?

I don't know if the request has been made or not, but I've heard nothing about Cindy or George refusing to answer questions or talk to LE.
 
When I was a child I thought monsters lived in my closet. At night I'd have to sneak out of bed and take a peek to prove to myself that they weren't really there. Of course I was ready to take off running if one of them reached out to grab me when I opened the door.

One look was all it took to convince me that my fears were silly and that the monsters existed nowhere but in my imagination. I think it was the same way for George when he looked in the trunk. He may even have laughed at himself for having such a ridiculous thought.

I would assume being an ex homicide detective ..george would be well versed with the smell of decomposition.. it smells nothing like rotting garbage.
 
All good and valid points.

Question (not a trick one, honest, I really don't know). Has he asked for immunity, or is he just talking about it so far?

Within days of his starting in this case, he said he was going to the SA tomorrow or something like that to ask. He said the As wanted to give new statements without inconsistencies etc. I assumed he asked and they said no.
 
I would assume being an ex homicide detective ..george would be well versed with the smell of decomposition.. it smells nothing like rotting garbage.

Using that same logic, I would think the detectives who went to the Anthony home on the night of the 16th would have also recognized the smell and would have impounded the car on the spot, yet they didn't.
 

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