Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #6

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If the killer had been forthcoming with her attorneys perhaps the three gas cans would have been attempted to be explained away by her attorneys but again, her being her worst enemy, she probably withheld that info from them thinking no one could be smart enough to put two and two together. Nurmi appeared to be genuinely surprised about the three gas cans. Probably another reason he disliked her so much at the end. Wilmott, however, truly seemed to believe the killer's nonsense, right up to the end.
Regarding the AG investigation I am surprised we never heard anything about that. I thought their investigation had something to do with the names of the jurors being released and posed online at JAII, or MDLR being tied to the killer's finances by sneaking out her art to be sold. MDLR's salary was another drain on the good taxpayers of Arizona. That woman did nothing in that trial. Nothing! Except pass notes to the killer's family & friends, and tweet nasty things out during the trial. I wonder if she still has that position.

That 'specialist' title for her job description is a joke.. You don't need to peruse through any law literature to have come up with "JA is an artist, locks of love" and the such.

She should have been reprimanded for her daughter's facebook connection to Juror 17's new brilliant husband... if I have that right. As her husband seemed to be linked to JA's sister as well. They all incredulously tampered with the jury.
 
That 'specialist' title for her job description is a joke.. You don't need to peruse through any law literature to have come up with "JA is an artist, locks of love" and the such.

She should have been reprimanded for her daughter's facebook connection to Juror 17's new brilliant husband... if I have that right. As her husband seemed to be linked to JA's sister as well. They all incredulously tampered with the jury.

MDLR's role was a mystery, and remains so when trying to match her actions to her title. By examining her actions alone, it may be possible to connect them in the end to her title in a roundabout and indirect way.

Her role in the courtroom seemed to be that of Jodi's 'buddy' ; drawing to her side like a magnet at every opportunity, whispering, smiling, joking; presenting to the public the image of friend, there to lend support, implying an understanding and insight into a positive side to Jodi's character not obvious to anyone else and not necessarily presented as evidence at the trial, or if it was, as the demonstration of a concrete example of same.

That's the only sense I can connect her behavior to her title: as a conveyor of the message "Hey, if I can like her, so can you."

Manipulative and staged, but they say a stage is an appropriate metaphor for a courtroom.
 
Juror 17 IMO indeed had an agenda all her own, agreed, b_lab. I never understood why she was allowed on that jury. As far as MDLR and J17's family connection, more proof of how unethical MDLR is.
What gets my goat now is if you follow Nurmi's tweets, he is now an HLN contributor which is so ironic as he and Wilmott cried fowl regarding the media preventing the killer from getting a fair trial, and Nurmi now contracts with HLN, of all media sources. HLN covered that trial day in and day out. What a hypocrite he is! He benefitted (sp?) greatly from the trial - his salary, his book, and now media (Daily News too).
Wonder how Wilmott's practice is, and if she too talks out of both sides of her mouth.
The list of the juror's names being posted on JAII was never investigated thoroughly. That was terrible.
And, while I'm at it, who stole Demarte's laptop from her home? That was another shady occurrence.
Too many coincidences to be ignored...
 
**I may have posted my comment twice,if so my apologies. Wonky phone and Internet connection.
 
Poor assumption on my part then. I just find it difficult to believe, in an initial analysis, that any thinking being would find merit in supporting the likes of JA, given the objective facts.


Washington, like Nurmi, believed the State shouldn't have asked for the DP, and that JM played dirty to make 's case DP- eligible.

I think her support for the was more about detesting JM and being vehemently anti-DP as it was about believing or liking the .
 
AZL replied on this one too. Answer-tough luck, DT and . Yes, the 400 pages were DT work product, but nothing in those pages violated attorney-client privilege or raised any other legal problem for the State at trial or on appeal.


I still don’t understand why the DT (Victoria Washington era, iirc) handed those papers to JM, since they sure weren’t under any legal obligation whatsoever to do so. I’m sure JM knew what he was looking at the second he opened the file, and equally sure he would never have read past the first page had possession of that file been the slightest bit questionable.

The DT screwed up. Or…..providence intervened. Or both. :)

I am not as familiar with VW's handling of the case as some of the other players but wonder if there is any reason to consider it might have been an intentional mistake, as in, she wanted potential consequences of JM having info he should not have had so she intentionally passed on the info "by accident."

As I said, I do not know enough about VW to know if this is a reasonable what if.
 
Washington, like Nurmi, believed the State shouldn't have asked for the DP, and that JM played dirty to make 's case DP- eligible.

I think her support for the was more about detesting JM and being vehemently anti-DP as it was about believing or liking the .

Couldn't agree more. None of the DT believed Jodi at all, ever.
 
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Stumbled upon this when I was reading back through, trying to figure out when and why the DT interviews were turned over to JM. (Victoria Washington didn't turn them over to JM, Maria Shaffer or her second chair did, which is an odd thing, but a tell for later).

In Nurmi's epic motion to dismiss the DP because JM was bad, Nurmi lists a number of TA's emails he claimed were exculpatory. The Hughes' emails are on the list and others, but there is also one we've never seen, and with the exception of the mention here, don't remember ever hearing about.

Listed: a long and threatening email sent to Travis by someone with the email address of "youdontknowme1234@yahoo.com"

Sent on JUNE 29, 2007.

Remember what else happened on that date? Yep. The date said she broke it off with Travis.

I'm thinking that email might not have been exculpatory after all. And I wonder just what she threatened Travis with or about that early on.
 
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Washington, like Nurmi, believed the State shouldn't have asked for the DP, and that JM played dirty to make 's case DP- eligible.

I think her support for the was more about detesting JM and being vehemently anti-DP as it was about believing or liking the .

In the end, the jurors made the DP eligible.
 
Shaffer turning over the interviews...

What is odd, in a nutshell. The interviews were conducted from Oct 2008 through April 26, 2009. A capital case mitigation discovery master (Judge Donahoe) was appointed on December 7, 2008.


On March 25, 2009, Donahue set a deadline for mitigation discovery--disclosure of mitigation -related materials was to occur by November 30, 2009.


On May 22, 2009, requested Shaffer be replaced.


On June 19, 2009, Shaffer and co-counsel accessed TA's computer in LE custody, deleting thousands of files.


On August 10, 2009, Shaffer and co-counsel Gregory P. withdrew.


On August 18, 2009, Victoria Washington (first chair) and Nurmi were assigned as counsel.


JM said he received the interview summaries from 's "first attorneys" as part of discovery, "months before" June 2010.


Just seems odd, given the deadline for mitigation discovery was months after Shaffer withdrew. FWIW, she apparently didn't like or trust or believe the .
 
Washington, like Nurmi, believed the State shouldn't have asked for the DP, and that JM played dirty to make 's case DP- eligible.

I think her support for the was more about detesting JM and being vehemently anti-DP as it was about believing or liking the .



Sorry to repost my own post, but I may have given Victoria Washington way too much credit. I'd forgotten that she had in fact fiercely supported the , and seems to have believed 's claim of self defense.

During trial she said she was waiting until appeals were filed to come out with the truth. Haven't heard a peep yet.
 
I didn't know the killer requested and received a new attorney back in 2009. Thanks for that tidbit H4M. I wonder why.
 
Wifi working again. Longer …about interviews (plugged in dates to part of one of my original case timelines).


From JM’s book: The DT interviews were conducted between October 23, 2008 and April 26, 2009 by (Schaffer’s investigator) and were provided to JM by the ’s “first defense team months earlier as part of the discovery process.”

The interviews were sent to JM in summary form “so I couldn’t read the actual text of the discussions.”(JM, pg. 123)


Nurmi (from Y/N’s notes on Nurmi’s book): ’s previous attorney collected the info, and documented it as “memorandums” written by Gwen (Fehnel), ’s first mitigation specialist.

Nurmi: I wouldn’t have turned the interviews over, too damaging; they were turned over before I came on as counsel in August 2009.


JM said in his book the summaries were turned over during routine discovery, but defendant mitigation discovery wasn’t due before Nurmi came on in August 2009.


TIMELINE:

September 19, 2008. Maria Schaffer, public defender, appointed, Gregory P is second chair. Mitigation specialist: Gwen Fehnel

October 14, 2008. JM discloses witness and evidence list

October 23, 2008. First interview by Schaffer’s investigator conducted.

November 6, 2008. State files amended notice of intent to seek the DP

December 7, 2008. Judge Gary Donahoe is appointed Capital Case Mitigation Discovery Master

Jan 12, 2009- Donahoe orders an ex parte (State excluded) status review conference to be held on Feb. 18, 2009. Schaffer, Gregory P, and Fehnel are to attend, and are to provide a “detailed report regarding the status of the mitigation investigation.”


February 18, 2009. The DT and Fehnel attend ex parte mitigation conference with Donahoe.

March 5, 2009. Ex parte mitigation status conferences discontinued “because of expressed concerns about possible violations of victim’s rights.”

March 25, 2009 Disclosure deadline for mitigation related discovery is set: to be turned over on or before November 30, 2009

April 26, 2009. Last interview by Schaffer’s investigator conducted

May 22, 2009 requests that Schaffer be replaced. (Nurmi said in his book that prior counsel didn’t like or believe the ; guess the antipathy was mutual)

June 19, 2009 Schaffer and Parzch access TA’s computer in LE custody, “thousands” of files are deleted

August 7, 2009 CHRONIS hearing; Flores’ testimony shot came first.

August 10, 2009 Schaffer and Gregory P. withdraw

August 18, 2009 Victoria Washington (first chair) and Nurmi appointed. Theresa Price replaces Fehnel as mitigation specialist. still going with the ninjas lie

Dec. 16, 2009 Samuels hired before this date

December 2009 through June 2010. DT repeatedly demands State disclose “electronic correspondence “ (texts and emails).

January 11, 2010. Samuels administers MMPI (looking for PTSD), fills in the answer sheet. Still claiming ninjas

April 11, 2010. DT receives forged letters emailed by “Bob White”

June 1, 2010. DT discloses forged pedo letters to JM.

June 21, 2010. Dr. Samuels (initial) report completed. He continued visiting through December, when she went pro per to try to get forged pedo letters admitted

June 22, 2010. DT files a “notice of intent” indicating it will argue self-defense and domestic violence.

June 30, 2010. State turns over TA’s texts.

October 22, 2010. State turns over approx. 8,000 emails to DT

October 26, 2010. 1st plea offer-- for second degree murder.

December 2010. 2nd plea offer, this time with threats about “collateral damage” if case goes forward

July 7, 2011: 3rd and last plea offer, this time with extended and explicit threats about marriages being destroyed, TA’s reputation destroyed, etc. if the State goes forward with trial.

Dec. 16, 2011 Victoria Washington withdraws
 
Wifi working again. Longer …about interviews (plugged in dates to part of one of my original case timelines).


From JM’s book: The DT interviews were conducted between October 23, 2008 and April 26, 2009 by (Schaffer’s investigator) and were provided to JM by the ’s “first defense team months earlier as part of the discovery process.”

The interviews were sent to JM in summary form “so I couldn’t read the actual text of the discussions.”(JM, pg. 123)


Nurmi (from Y/N’s notes on Nurmi’s book): ’s previous attorney collected the info, and documented it as “memorandums” written by Gwen (Fehnel), ’s first mitigation specialist.

Nurmi: I wouldn’t have turned the interviews over, too damaging; they were turned over before I came on as counsel in August 2009.


JM said in his book the summaries were turned over during routine discovery, but defendant mitigation discovery wasn’t due before Nurmi came on in August 2009.


TIMELINE:

September 19, 2008. Maria Schaffer, public defender, appointed, Gregory P is second chair. Mitigation specialist: Gwen Fehnel

October 14, 2008. JM discloses witness and evidence list

October 23, 2008. First interview by Schaffer’s investigator conducted.

November 6, 2008. State files amended notice of intent to seek the DP

December 7, 2008. Judge Gary Donahoe is appointed Capital Case Mitigation Discovery Master

Jan 12, 2009- Donahoe orders an ex parte (State excluded) status review conference to be held on Feb. 18, 2009. Schaffer, Gregory P, and Fehnel are to attend, and are to provide a “detailed report regarding the status of the mitigation investigation.”


February 18, 2009. The DT and Fehnel attend ex parte mitigation conference with Donahoe.

March 5, 2009. Ex parte mitigation status conferences discontinued “because of expressed concerns about possible violations of victim’s rights.”

March 25, 2009 Disclosure deadline for mitigation related discovery is set: to be turned over on or before November 30, 2009

April 26, 2009. Last interview by Schaffer’s investigator conducted

May 22, 2009 requests that Schaffer be replaced. (Nurmi said in his book that prior counsel didn’t like or believe the ; guess the antipathy was mutual)

June 19, 2009 Schaffer and Parzch access TA’s computer in LE custody, “thousands” of files are deleted

August 7, 2009 CHRONIS hearing; Flores’ testimony shot came first.

August 10, 2009 Schaffer and Gregory P. withdraw

August 18, 2009 Victoria Washington (first chair) and Nurmi appointed. Theresa Price replaces Fehnel as mitigation specialist. still going with the ninjas lie

Dec. 16, 2009 Samuels hired before this date

December 2009 through June 2010. DT repeatedly demands State disclose “electronic correspondence “ (texts and emails).

January 11, 2010. Samuels administers MMPI (looking for PTSD), fills in the answer sheet. Still claiming ninjas

April 11, 2010. DT receives forged letters emailed by “Bob White”

June 1, 2010. DT discloses forged pedo letters to JM.

June 21, 2010. Dr. Samuels (initial) report completed. He continued visiting through December, when she went pro per to try to get forged pedo letters admitted

June 22, 2010. DT files a “notice of intent” indicating it will argue self-defense and domestic violence.

June 30, 2010. State turns over TA’s texts.

October 22, 2010. State turns over approx. 8,000 emails to DT

October 26, 2010. 1st plea offer-- for second degree murder.

December 2010. 2nd plea offer, this time with threats about “collateral damage” if case goes forward

July 7, 2011: 3rd and last plea offer, this time with extended and explicit threats about marriages being destroyed, TA’s reputation destroyed, etc. if the State goes forward with trial.

Dec. 16, 2011 Victoria Washington withdraws

Thanks for this very clear timeline!

So interesting to me to see how JA stepped up the manipulation efforts at every turn...

And again, I know many won't agree, but she probably could have gotten off with 2nd degree if it weren't for her self-defeating, egotistical ways.

If she had just admitted to things upfront, claiming some kind of heat-of-passion (and possibly admitting to mental illness), she would have done herself a world of good. But thankfully, she was too self-absorbed to see the bigger picture. Justice has been served!
 
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