Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #2

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Those nude pictures bothered me from the beginning. I think Jodi took the nudes of herself by remote and she creeped up on Travis n got his pic over his shoulder. He looks asleep in the first picture and angry in the second. I think the flash woke him up and he attempted to toss the KY at her. Even Juan asked one of the witnesses if the KY being blurry was the result of the KY being in motion. I believe he woke up and told her to get out. Then he deleted the photos, thinking the monster left but she came back probably thru the window while he was taking a shower. Then she crept into the bathroom and started taking photos until he saw her and demanded she leave again but she pulled the knife and forced him to sit down for that eriee pic then stabbed him and proceeded to finish him off. I don't believe they ever had sex that day. When she got there she snooped around his office and stole the money then and got on his computer and snooped some more.

These are near exactly my thoughts also, samspace. I think it's so evident from the pic of him lobbing the KY at her that there was no sex, he had been asleep and she staged it to look like they had just finished in the pics she was taking, and he did not want her there. Also, the nudes had to have been deleted before the shower pics were taken, as those files (nudes) were overwritten (by the shower pics) and only recoverable from the unallocated space. If anyone can stomach looking at her nudes again, notice you never see her left hand in any of the pics (that would be because, IMO, as a lefty she's using that hand to snap the remote to take the pics). Anyways, thumbs up on your conception, it's what I believe as well.
 
I totally agree Rickshaw Fan, I would love to know how much money she had in that safe. She told Det. Flores it was more than the money in her purse (which was $240.00) She was very concerned about that money. She told the Det that Travis kept all his money in his wallet. Why did she volunteer that information? He had money in that house and she stole it IMO. One more thing on direct examination she told Nurmi that Sky told her if she had met Travis sooner he probably would have paid for her breast implants like he did for Deanna. I missed that the first time around. I don't believe Deanna had breast implants. CMJA just wanted to embarrass Deanna.

IMO Skye is way too prim to be discussing breast implants with anyone, and "sooner" doesn't have any relevance. What difference would sooner or later have made?

Do Mormons generally get breast implants? It seems to me not a Mormon-ish thing to do at all.

As for Deanna...she seems to deal with whatever comes her way in life. I can't imagine she'd be a candidate for implants. Plus, she felt guilty (as did Travis) about sexual activity; it seems very unlikely that she would enhance a sexual organ, especially if it might ever mean not being able to nurture a child.
 
You were always my favorite. :blushing:



Awwwwh.... Hope you know the admiration is mutual....:)


For you, then-

Signed up to BK and have started reading. First impression, about the denial of killer' s motion to disqualify.

SMACK DOWN! Whoa. The AG kinda went on and on in opposition, quoting this and that. The denial? A one sentence NO!!!!, saying there was nothing in Cattani's article that warranted the COA's disqualification, all done, that was that.

Heh!
 
Ok. On the motion to reconsider.

The premise of the motion was that the US Supreme Court indicated willingness to hear a case that considered whether the bias of a single judge on a panel of judges was enough to violate the due process rights of a defendant, whether or not that single judge's vote/opinion was determinative.

The original problem remains. Cattani has already recused himself. There is no factual basis for accusing any other COA judge of bias. The only grounds her attys even try to assert is the article written by Cattani might have been read by other COA judges and have influenced their opinion. ("Judge Catanni ...represents the COA whether he intends to do so or not.")

AZ law expressly forbids drawing that inference. Fail. And a very definite second round of insult lobbed at the COA.
 
Ok. On the motion to reconsider.

The premise of the motion was that the US Supreme Court indicated willingness to hear a case that considered whether the bias of a single judge on a panel of judges was enough to violate the due process rights of a defendant, whether or not that single judge's vote/opinion was determinative.

The original problem remains. Cattani has already recused himself. There is no factual basis for accusing any other COA judge of bias. The only grounds her attys even try to assert is the article written by Cattani might have been read by other COA judges and have influenced their opinion. ("Judge Catanni ...represents the COA whether he intends to do so or not.")

AZ law expressly forbids drawing that inference. Fail. And a very definite second round of insult lobbed at the COA.

too funny pissing off the COA hearing your case. How big are your balls. Arias and Fanz are so busy looking at SM they will never get to the appeal issues.

JMO
 
Those nude pictures bothered me from the beginning. I think Jodi took the nudes of herself by remote and she creeped up on Travis n got his pic over his shoulder. He looks asleep in the first picture and angry in the second. I think the flash woke him up and he attempted to toss the KY at her. Even Juan asked one of the witnesses if the KY being blurry was the result of the KY being in motion. I believe he woke up and told her to get out. Then he deleted the photos, thinking the monster left but she came back probably thru the window while he was taking a shower. Then she crept into the bathroom and started taking photos until he saw her and demanded she leave again but she pulled the knife and forced him to sit down for that eriee pic then stabbed him and proceeded to finish him off. I don't believe they ever had sex that day. When she got there she snooped around his office and stole the money then and got on his computer and snooped some more.

Hope not... one of the things I learned from the book the Hughes put out, was that Travis was embarrassed the only time he did cheat on an ex... I always thought it was weird he'd be talking about doing right and finding a wife after the mess with Arias and then all of the sudden he goes back on his word when he's about to take Mimi on this trip to Cancun?? JA seemed to be losing all effect on him. He was standing up to her for once, why sleep with someone you believe is a sociopath? That's a nail in any 'relationship.' He's not the type to bed a viper.
 
I totally agree Rickshaw Fan, I would love to know how much money she had in that safe. She told Det. Flores it was more than the money in her purse (which was $240.00) She was very concerned about that money. She told the Det that Travis kept all his money in his wallet. Why did she volunteer that information? He had money in that house and she stole it IMO. One more thing on direct examination she told Nurmi that Sky told her if she had met Travis sooner he probably would have paid for her breast implants like he did for Deanna. I missed that the first time around. I don't believe Deanna had breast implants. CMJA just wanted to embarrass Deanna.

God, JA is such low class trash. So glad that Travis' best friend never faltered, I'm sure the strength from their friendship was primarily the reason she was so brave. I know how I'd be in the face of someone like JA if anyone tried to besmirch the 'ol BFF. Say something about me, I might think you're some random nut, say something about my best friend after you put him/her in the grave... your trial, your lawyers, and your pity party is f$$$$d.
 
Ok. On the motion to reconsider.

The premise of the motion was that the US Supreme Court indicated willingness to hear a case that considered whether the bias of a single judge on a panel of judges was enough to violate the due process rights of a defendant, whether or not that single judge's vote/opinion was determinative.

The original problem remains. Cattani has already recused himself. There is no factual basis for accusing any other COA judge of bias. The only grounds her attys even try to assert is the article written by Cattani might have been read by other COA judges and have influenced their opinion. ("Judge Catanni ...represents the COA whether he intends to do so or not.")

AZ law expressly forbids drawing that inference. Fail. And a very definite second round of insult lobbed at the COA.

BBM

That cracks me up considering the way they are gloating and celebrating over in Jodi-land. They are convinced she will win a new trial on Appeals and be found NG. :giggle:
 
Those nude pictures bothered me from the beginning. I think Jodi took the nudes of herself by remote and she creeped up on Travis n got his pic over his shoulder. He looks asleep in the first picture and angry in the second. I think the flash woke him up and he attempted to toss the KY at her. Even Juan asked one of the witnesses if the KY being blurry was the result of the KY being in motion. I believe he woke up and told her to get out. Then he deleted the photos, thinking the monster left but she came back probably thru the window while he was taking a shower. Then she crept into the bathroom and started taking photos until he saw her and demanded she leave again but she pulled the knife and forced him to sit down for that eriee pic then stabbed him and proceeded to finish him off. I don't believe they ever had sex that day. When she got there she snooped around his office and stole the money then and got on his computer and snooped some more.

These are near exactly my thoughts also, samspace. I think it's so evident from the pic of him lobbing the KY at her that there was no sex, he had been asleep and she staged it to look like they had just finished in the pics she was taking, and he did not want her there. Also, the nudes had to have been deleted before the shower pics were taken, as those files (nudes) were overwritten (by the shower pics) and only recoverable from the unallocated space. If anyone can stomach looking at her nudes again, notice you never see her left hand in any of the pics (that would be because, IMO, as a lefty she's using that hand to snap the remote to take the pics). Anyways, thumbs up on your conception, it's what I believe as well.

I had never seen the sequence spelled out before like this, and it has never made sense to me. Yes! Finally! Now I can see it in my mind's eye.

JA was delighted (smirk) that in the interrogation Flores assumed she and TA had sex, perhaps because she wanted it to look that way and she'd succeeded in doing so. The photos were set up for blackmail, and it makes sense TA would be the deleter. JA smirked at Flores' assumption (real or a trick) that the photos showed evidence of vigorous sex activity with TA even though it potentially put her at the scene of the crime. It was like the evidence of sex was the most important goal, since that was her whole intent on taking the photos. I'm sure she also thought she could keep her alibi going by explaining away details like the timer on the camera, knowing that, in fact, the photos had been taken on a different occasion.

It doesn't seem to have been suggested anywhere that if there was evidence of sexual activity on Travis (either in the photos or on the body) contemporaneous with the murder, that doesn't mean the sexual activity was with JA. After all, there's the DIY variety. It would especially have irked JA if he had found pleasure without her. She might well have crept up on him in the bed when she first drove in, seen he was enjoying himself, gone to fetch the camera, and taken the photos. The reality that got "cut and pasted" elsewhere in her narrative was that she came upon TA masturbating and he threw something at her (or pushed her into something (the child *advertiser censored* episode?); I forget what went with what, and it probably doesn't matter, 'cos she made up all the narratives from various pieces of events); so, he was in a DIY moment, and he threw the KY at her.

Presumably, if there had been another woman (or man, for that matter) involved in some fun with TA just previous to JA's arrival, s/he would have come forward as a witness. So, I'm guessing DIY is the most likely scenario if there was evidence on TA that there had been an erection and abrasions.

Plus, wasn't there a mention of a timeline for TA "shaving" (i.e. his privates)? If he had sex with JA it wouldn't make sense that he shaved afterwards. After he thought she'd left. It would make sense if he was preparing for an assignation with someone else. This little tidbit has always bothered me.

Did the photos of JA's gaping privates come after the photos of TA in sequence or before? She could have just been capitalizing on the moment, and now that she had the camera and the compromising photos of TA seemingly right after the sex act, took hers to up the blackmail potential.

Is there any evidence of when she had to have been in the house the murder day in order to make the facts fit? Even as late as the afternoon of? I suppose she would have wanted to arrive under cover of darkness, but actually she left and returned apparently in broad daylight.

It's interesting that now trial detail isn't so all in our faces, that new patterns and possibilities begin to emerge. Sometimes detail is the enemy of reality. I'm thinking the murder day's events are much simpler than they seem and this was on the order of a tiger stalking a human, no immediate provocation of any kind, no foreplay, but cunning and slaughter and single-mindedness. Out for blood and seeking out the big mess of a bloody kill. (She chose a knife, for goodness sake; the gun was feeble and it was backup). All the detail is Jodi manipulation and a distraction from the simplicity, brutality, and intent of what went down.


PS The Tiger by John Vaillant captures this quality about tigers, which are one of the few creatures that stalk humans "just because". I believe Vaillant's descriptions of a tiger attack gives a good illustration of what went down in TA's house that day, including the vocalizations of the perpetrator and the reaction of the victim.
 
Ok. On the motion to reconsider.

The premise of the motion was that the US Supreme Court indicated willingness to hear a case that considered whether the bias of a single judge on a panel of judges was enough to violate the due process rights of a defendant, whether or not that single judge's vote/opinion was determinative.

The original problem remains. Cattani has already recused himself. There is no factual basis for accusing any other COA judge of bias. The only grounds her attys even try to assert is the article written by Cattani might have been read by other COA judges and have influenced their opinion. ("Judge Catanni ...represents the COA whether he intends to do so or not.")

AZ law expressly forbids drawing that inference. Fail. And a very definite second round of insult lobbed at the COA.

One would think there should be method to this madness, could they possibly think putting the CoA on the defensive might aid with their appeal? Wouldn't you run screaming in terror from any attny who would suggest such? Well, I guess Arias just can't (heh heh) but my, what a lousy strategy.
 
P.S. Thanks for sharing your reading Hope, greatly appreciated. :loveyou:
 
Have begun reading the texts- there are 104 pages of them, from Dec 07- February 08.

They are actually really interesting for anyone who really knows this case. Lots of tidbits to infer about finances, relationships, and really a fuller glimpse into a day by day Travis.

About Jan 21. There isn't anything new there that JM could have used without muddying up the already complex narrative he wove , complete with traps for the killer on the stand.

I found it pretty funny, though (sad in another way) that in between his exchanges with the killer that evening ( I have headache, return the car yourself, etc) Deanna was teasing Travis about going on American Gladiator, and they were light- heartedly joking back and forth.
 
BBM

That cracks me up considering the way they are gloating and celebrating over in Jodi-land. They are convinced she will win a new trial on Appeals and be found NG. :giggle:

Well , we know they are delusional. Are they putting up Christmas decorations for her homecoming of this year too? :D

She isn't going to get a new trial. But after reading all 3 motions (disqualify, reconsider, sealed records) I'm pretty sure now what they're going for.

The common denominator of all 3, and of most of Nurmi's motions for mistrial, is that she was denied her federal constitutional right to due process (fair trial) because of the "exceptional" amount of publicity her case generated.

Her attorneys know the COA won't disqualify itself judge by judge or as a whole, and they know they risk antagonizing judges by not once but twice questioning their ability to remain impartial. Why do it then? To lay down the claim of exceptional again....as in, this case generated so much publicity and divisiveness that even a sitting COA judge was drawn into the circus, before appeals were heard, and that he wrote an article about her to try to sway his colleagues on the bench.

As for wanting to see JM's book and claiming to be worried sealed info might be included? They know better on both counts of that as well. So why do it? Same reason. This case is so exceptional that even the prosecutor couldn't resist writing a tell- all book about a defendant he obviously despises, maybe even enough to umm...slide over some lines.

A large part of Nurmi's job was to lay the groundwork for a PC appeal. These attys know they're gonna lose at the state level. They're laying the groundwork for a federal appeal, IMO.
 
These are near exactly my thoughts also, samspace. I think it's so evident from the pic of him lobbing the KY at her that there was no sex, he had been asleep and she staged it to look like they had just finished in the pics she was taking, and he did not want her there. Also, the nudes had to have been deleted before the shower pics were taken, as those files (nudes) were overwritten (by the shower pics) and only recoverable from the unallocated space. If anyone can stomach looking at her nudes again, notice you never see her left hand in any of the pics (that would be because, IMO, as a lefty she's using that hand to snap the remote to take the pics). Anyways, thumbs up on your conception, it's what I believe as well.



Funny, you and I have said "no sex" that day for what seems like forever. Most disagreed with us though, lol.
 
As for wanting to see JM's book and claiming to be worried sealed info might be included? They know better on both counts of that as well. So why do it? Same reason. This case is so exceptional that even the prosecutor couldn't resist writing a tell- all book about a defendant he obviously despises, maybe even enough to umm...slide over some lines.

A large part of Nurmi's job was to lay the groundwork for a PC appeal. These attys know they're gonna lose at the state level. They're laying the groundwork for a federal appeal, IMO.

IMO, they wrote off this line of appeal a long time ago. Jodi wants to generate and spend money that can be used in a federal appeal. If she doesn't spend it soon, there's no point in having it, since she'll be so forgotten, she won't get any more. A federal appeal, I'm sure she thinks, will put her back in the public eye.

As for end-running JM's book: JA just wants to stick it in his eye by trying to not get it published. She can't write her own book, nor can her parents ('cos no one's interested in their angle), even though they declared bankruptcy so they could divert all the proceeds to themselves post-bankcruptcy. Without bankruptcy, the proceeds would have had to be diverted to pay off debt.

Besides which, she created the publicity by the egregiousness of the crime and her rediculous interviews with the media.....

IMO
 
Funny, you and I have said "no sex" that day for what seems like forever. Most disagreed with us though, lol.

I never thought they had sex that day. In fact, I think they had sex a lot less frequently than Jodi would have us believe. It might have been mostly confined to those days when they shared a hotel room and a few other instances like the time in the bathtub that she kept making sure everyone knew about, e.g. in the sex tape.
 
I never thought they had sex that day. In fact, I think they had sex a lot less frequently than Jodi would have us believe. It might have been mostly confined to those days when they shared a hotel room and a few other instances like the time in the bathtub that she kept making sure everyone knew about, e.g. in the sex tape.

I thought the same, he hardly ever wanted to meet up with her, especially in the beginning... anyone else remember the question someone asked Sky once? If JA was showing up in a trench coat at one point, uninvited? She was the one doing the bedding, Travis wasn't the one calling her for a good time.
 
I never thought they had sex that day. In fact, I think they had sex a lot less frequently than Jodi would have us believe. It might have been mostly confined to those days when they shared a hotel room and a few other instances like the time in the bathtub that she kept making sure everyone knew about, e.g. in the sex tape.


Related info from the texts BK has posted... In February 2008 TA and a woman (not going to post her name) had some very explicit exchanges about sex. This wasn't just flirting. SHE obviously wanted to have sex with him, and they were discussing what kind.

She told him she enjoyed full intercourse best, and that's what she wanted to have with him. He told her no, repeatedly, because she kept on telling him his unwillingness didn't make sense to her. From the available texts it doesn't look like they ever hooked up.

What TA also told her was that his unwillingness was based more on personal decision rather than religious objection/fear of consequence.

I don't think it's any coincidence at all that it was shortly afterwards that the killer went out of her way to offer up anything and everything she could think of sexually, and the bathtub thing? I'm pretty sure that was the first time for intercourse, and that TA despised himself for it.
 
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