Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

[geevee]

"Who knows why she didn't call Darryl about the gas cans the gas cans and steal her gfather's gun on the 27th instead of the 28th. My guess is she took that day to plan out his murder, start to finish." ~Hope4More

I think she was lining up the funds first, to be sure she could carry out the plan.

Simply astonishing amount of work you've done and ability to put it all together, Hope. I think you've nailed what was going on, all of her deceptions, and unbelievable lengths she went to to torture him for not bending to her will while Travis was trying to keep an even keel and placate her while she did her best to destroy everything in his world. And you know, regardless of all of her breathy, hormonal-soaked "I love him"s in her lying journal, I think he was a means to an end from the beginning and she always hated him more than she ever even liked him (if she ever did). Her jealousy of everything he became and attained, and all of his friends just oozed from her every pore.

I try to keep my feelings out of all of this (where she is concerned) but I'm so glad she didn't get the death penalty, at some point she'll develop a conscience and it'll eat her alive for years and years to come, this I do believe, karma just has that way.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Vinnie Politan must have those hardwires too Hope. Rumor has it that he will have the great and powerful Oz, errr umm, Juan on soon. Keeping my ears perked for the date.



http://www.vinniepolitan.com/jodi-arias-should-die-001/

 

[samspace070]

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Handy when you want to capture something before things get deleted or changed.

Thank you Pocket, I really needed that information. Very handy:tyou::tyou:

 

[Nymeria]

[/B]

She hadn't been arrested yet but everyone had been tossing her name about, that is a weird thing for CL to post to her.

I am so out of the loop. Who is "CL"?

TIA

 

[RickshawFan]

I am so out of the loop. Who is "CL"?

TIA

Chaitanya....

 

[RickshawFan]

I've been dipping into Whittemore's stuff on Amazon. She's a fabulous writer..... She decimates Nurmi and describes Jodi on the stand. She's super snarky. One snark after another. Excellent. There are, I think, 3 volumes.

 

[Hope4More]

Her journal entry for May 26th, written after LE phone interviews. (Taken from Juror 13’s site).


Her lies to cover up what actually happened are pathetically obvious, but that’s not what caught my eye when I reread this last week.

What I find most interesting is her lie about having phone sex with Travis after the whole confrontation ended, as well as her indirect allusion to something that was on the May 10 sex tape, the Red Riding Hood fantasy. She even repeats mention of phone sex and of the tied to the tree fantasy, IMO, because she wants to make sure LE connects the dots she’s manufactured, before and after the murder.

I also believe she is sick enough to have lied about having phone sex on the 26th at least in part because she felt tremendous satisfaction about playing with and tormenting Travis on the 26th with her multiple step reveal about the sex tape- phone sex.


5/26/08: Ok, so we finally cracked. I called and left Travis a voicemail and he called back. He was acting very angry at first. He said check your email so I did, but there wasn’t anything from him. So I called back and said I couldn’t find an email, & he said he sent it on Facebook.

So I checked my Facebook and there was a really, long, ridiculous email from him, just being his classic rude. We also chatted on gmail, more rude. He accused me again of slashing his tires, which of course is not true.

He was mad that I got into his Facebook account, which I would understand otherwise, except he gave me the password before. duh! But I haven’t logged into it in almost a week since he told me he doesn’t want to do that anymore.

So again, it was just one of his cycles. I’ve somehow managed to become his whipping-girl, and we’re both addicted to it. It’s the same pattern as always, he gets pissed, goes off on me, feels bad, we “make-up”, things are mellow for a few days, then the cycle begins again.

I’ve learned that it’s better to just let it run its course. Yes Travis you’re right, Travis, whatever you say, Travis. As long as I’m not too patronizing he goes right through it and then ends up being apologetic & sweet – talking afterward,

and we end up having make-up sex, or in this case, phone sex.

We’re crazy, being addicted to this cycle. We’ve explored about 90% of all of our fantasies. We’ve yet to pull over on the freeway and do it on the hood of the car in the middle of the day. I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

We haven’t done the mile-high yet, and probably never will, and we’ve yet to act out the Little Red Riding Hood spin in the woods, which as of last night is now still scheduled to happen.

I still have my doubts. I know I’m not seeing anyone, but I don’t want to sabotage any future possibilities. I’m not superstitious, but somehow it seems obvious that the only way we are going to move on is if we discontinue sexual contact.

I cracked and called. He called back. We fought, then made up. I still care so much for him. He’s a great guy and he’s always been there for me. (&#8230

Anyway, we chatted for close to 2 hours last night – or actually, this morning early. I let him get it out of his system until he couldn’t help it anymore. We called each other and talked until it was light out.

It actually wasn’t really talking. Well, dirty talk, I guess you could say.

I’m just as naughty as he is, more in fact. I often feel guilty but it is the guiltiest pleasure I’ve known since I discovered Valrohna Chocolate.

Anyway, I have the perfect spot in the woods for us up Greenhorn. It’s been about 7.5 years since I’ve been there, but it’s secluded and perfect for getting down. He has a video camera now. I can’t believe we’re still planning this. Part of me is overcome w/anticipation, and part of me is reserved and wanting to step up and be a good girl. But he’s very persuasive – in a good way.

Anyway, enough about him for now, he won’t be here for several weeks at this point. I started working at Casa Ramos as a bartender. It’s not a job I’m proud to tell people about, but what can I do?

 

[knt]

I'm glad you're still posting Hope. I was going through withdrawals.

 

[Hope4More]

I'm glad you're still posting Hope. I was going through withdrawals.

LOL. Really, all I was saying is that I'm done piecing multi-sourced timelines together or trying to figure out the big picture of why and when.

I have literally dozens of little-piece docs I wrote from the bottom of that rabbit hole yet to post, and I'm never shy about offering opinions, so I think y'all are stuck with me, for better or worse.

What I'm still working on is how to succinctly summarize what felt like the big aha moment to me, which wasn't about May 26 or May 10 or May 13 or any specific date at all, really, more an insight into why she raged and how she rationalized her rage enough to feel justified in killing Travis AND feeling morally superior to him.

 

[Hope4More]

I've been dipping into Whittemore's stuff on Amazon. She's a fabulous writer..... She decimates Nurmi and describes Jodi on the stand. She's super snarky. One snark after another. Excellent. There are, I think, 3 volumes.

I loved her books. She writes well, did the work of repeatedly listening to and then analyzing literally every word the killer uttered on the stand, is top-notch snarky, and has a really good understanding of how JM handled --and mastered---the .

I'm hoping she pipes up after she's read JM's book, which I am absolutely sure she won't be able to resist.

 

[Hope4More]

Some pieces of the why-puzzle…. I’ve left spaces for editorial comments to come…sometime.



Excerpt from the ’s letter to her victim’s family, July 28, 2008, T’s birthday:

(The indirectly refers to the incident at convention when Travis helped Clancy down the stairs, which resulted in the confronting Clancy in the bathroom and telling her to keep her hands off Travis, that he belonged to her. She refers to that incident as justification for her suspicion that Travis was cheating on her, which led to her reluctant snooping of his texts in June 2007).


I decided we should just be friends on June 29, 2007. That was a very difficult decision because I loved him very much. It was especially difficult because he begged me to marry him that day.

He said things would be different. Up to that point a proposal was expected anytime, but once the trust is gone, it is hopeless.


I’m not perfect either. I violated his trust by reading text messages that perhaps should have remained private. My justification was I had the right to know, I’m not saying it was OK.


Fast forward to July 2007/ (Travis persuaded me to move to Mesa, and I gave in).



I used to wonder what it would have been like if I (had) accepted his proposal. But I don’t think things would have changed. Here’s why: about a month before I moved back to CA, March 2008, we decided to have a come clean conversation about everything, everything, everything.



He confessed that (he’d been dating Lisa the whole time I was living there. (We’d spoken 4x about dating , he brought up each time, always to say he wasn’t). I never had any reason not to believe him because (he didn’t have any reason to hide the fact).

I’m not the type to have an emotional breakdown over something like that the way Deanna has in the past. In fact, I would have been happy for him.


So the shock came not in the fact that he had lied again to another girlfriend, but that this time I was the “other girl.” I felt very ashamed.


My first thought was for Lisa, I should tell her everything. But they had long since broken up and Travis had taken a decided interest in Mimi Hall.

Besides, telling Lisa would have (destroyed my friendship with Travis) and it would have caused a lot of unnecessary drama and pain.


But when it was my turn to come clean, his attitude changed 180 degrees.

All hell seemed to break loose. He lost his temper completely and flew into a rage. He began punching himself in the head so hard that he injured his neck and back and could barely turn his head from side to side.

I was afraid to go near him, but I wanted him to stop. Travis never hit me in the face, but he bruised other parts of my body. (&#8230

That only happened twice. The second time was on a Tuesday in early April 2008 (Tempe business meeting, 2 guys joked about T hitting me ).

By putting several hundred miles between us any further opportunities for abuse (not to mention immoral conduct on both our parts) would be prevented. But even when I moved away, he didn’t let up.



Her journal, May 22 (written after LE phone interviews).


…..And Travis said he’s still certain he wants to marry Mimi, although they’re not yet dating.

It’s not fair to her either, in my opinion. We hadn’t talked about her in so long, I didn’t realize he was still in pursuit.
I wouldn’t dare lecture him over it though.

The first thing that almost popped out of my mouth was, “then why the hell are we still messing around if that’s the case?!?”

But I kept it shut. For 2 reasons.

1. It would be like the pot calling the kettle black (as I’ve had my eye on some wonderfuls myself)

2. I honestly don’t think Travis can be monogomous. I’m certain he wasn’t w/me.

Although I don’t dwell on it anymore, but my certainty was further solidified when his pattern of behavior continued w/his next girlfriend, Lisa Andrews.


When he finally admitted that they had been dating, I felt so guilty. I almost wanted to tell her, it seemed only fair, but by then had already broken up and he had moved onto Mimi.

Besides, not only would telling her destroy our friendship (mine & his), but it would cause a lot of unnecessary drama and pain.

And just because Travis acted like a schmuck when it came to how he treated his previous girlfriends, doesn’t mean he’s capable of learning how to be better.

It’s just that I’ve yet to see evidence of it. But perhaps it will be different w/Mimi. One things for sure, I wouldn’t want to be the “other girl” in that relationship. I couldn’t handle the guilt.




4/3 Email, JA to TA:

I know I’m making the right decision… I used to be so spiritual. I’m not myself… Don’t think I don’t enjoy making love to you. I have enjoyed making love to the man I love but it wasn't under the right circumstances. We’ve both stretched it farther than it should have naturally gone but intact it remains. This time away from each other will help us both. That is my prayer and that is what I sincerely believe.

 

[Niner]

LOL. Really, all I was saying is that I'm done piecing multi-sourced timelines together or trying to figure out the big picture of why and when.

I have literally dozens of little-piece docs I wrote from the bottom of that rabbit hole yet to post, and I'm never shy about offering opinions, so I think y'all are stuck with me, for better or worse.

What I'm still working on is how to succinctly summarize what felt like the big aha moment to me, which wasn't about May 26 or May 10 or May 13 or any specific date at all, really, more an insight into why she raged and how she rationalized her rage enough to feel justified in killing Travis AND feeling morally superior to him.

Love your analysis of all this Hope4More - sure makes me understand MORE about "what" was going on at that time - THANKS to your postings!
:wave:

 

[ParrotGal]

Her journal entry for May 26th, written after LE phone interviews. (Taken from Juror 13’s site).


Her lies to cover up what actually happened are pathetically obvious, but that’s not what caught my eye when I reread this last week.

What I find most interesting is her lie about having phone sex with Travis after the whole confrontation ended, as well as her indirect allusion to something that was on the May 10 sex tape, the Red Riding Hood fantasy. She even repeats mention of phone sex and of the tied to the tree fantasy, IMO, because she wants to make sure LE connects the dots she’s manufactured, before and after the murder.

I also believe she is sick enough to have lied about having phone sex on the 26th at least in part because she felt tremendous satisfaction about playing with and tormenting Travis on the 26th with her multiple step reveal about the sex tape- phone sex.


5/26/08: Ok, so we finally cracked. I called and left Travis a voicemail and he called back. He was acting very angry at first. He said check your email so I did, but there wasn’t anything from him. So I called back and said I couldn’t find an email, & he said he sent it on Facebook.

So I checked my Facebook and there was a really, long, ridiculous email from him, just being his classic rude. We also chatted on gmail, more rude. He accused me again of slashing his tires, which of course is not true.

He was mad that I got into his Facebook account, which I would understand otherwise, except he gave me the password before. duh! But I haven’t logged into it in almost a week since he told me he doesn’t want to do that anymore.

So again, it was just one of his cycles. I’ve somehow managed to become his whipping-girl, and we’re both addicted to it. It’s the same pattern as always, he gets pissed, goes off on me, feels bad, we “make-up”, things are mellow for a few days, then the cycle begins again.

I’ve learned that it’s better to just let it run its course. Yes Travis you’re right, Travis, whatever you say, Travis. As long as I’m not too patronizing he goes right through it and then ends up being apologetic & sweet – talking afterward,

and we end up having make-up sex, or in this case, phone sex.

We’re crazy, being addicted to this cycle. We’ve explored about 90% of all of our fantasies. We’ve yet to pull over on the freeway and do it on the hood of the car in the middle of the day. I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

We haven’t done the mile-high yet, and probably never will, and we’ve yet to act out the Little Red Riding Hood spin in the woods, which as of last night is now still scheduled to happen.

I still have my doubts. I know I’m not seeing anyone, but I don’t want to sabotage any future possibilities. I’m not superstitious, but somehow it seems obvious that the only way we are going to move on is if we discontinue sexual contact.

I cracked and called. He called back. We fought, then made up. I still care so much for him. He’s a great guy and he’s always been there for me. (&#8230

Anyway, we chatted for close to 2 hours last night – or actually, this morning early. I let him get it out of his system until he couldn’t help it anymore. We called each other and talked until it was light out.

It actually wasn’t really talking. Well, dirty talk, I guess you could say.

I’m just as naughty as he is, more in fact. I often feel guilty but it is the guiltiest pleasure I’ve known since I discovered Valrohna Chocolate.

Anyway, I have the perfect spot in the woods for us up Greenhorn. It’s been about 7.5 years since I’ve been there, but it’s secluded and perfect for getting down. He has a video camera now. I can’t believe we’re still planning this. Part of me is overcome w/anticipation, and part of me is reserved and wanting to step up and be a good girl. But he’s very persuasive – in a good way.

Anyway, enough about him for now, he won’t be here for several weeks at this point. I started working at Casa Ramos as a bartender. It’s not a job I’m proud to tell people about, but what can I do?

EVERY SINGLE TIME I read or hear about this "sharing passwords" mess it makes me crazy! NOBODY does that... It is "rediculous" ... UUUUGGGGHHHH... What an idiotic, outrageous lie. It's just one lie among soooo many, but dang it annoys me!

 

[Hope4More]

EVERY SINGLE TIME I read or hear about this "sharing passwords" mess it makes me crazy! NOBODY does that... It is "rediculous" ... UUUUGGGGHHHH... What an idiotic, outrageous lie. It's just one lie among soooo many, but dang it annoys me!

She told the same kind of idiotic outrageous and ridiculous lies to Travis on a near daily basis, even about the most insignificant of things.

One example, which had me gritting my teeth and growling just reading it: Travis was throwing a cookie party later on (she was not invited) and was out of the house doing PPL, and the was in his house doing whatever creepy things she did when he wasn't there.

She texted him that he needed flour to make the cookies. He told her- no, there's plenty there. She said, no, you don't have any. He said, yes, I definitely do. She said, No, Travis, you don't, I looked everywhere and you just don't. Travis said, that's not right, because I just bought a 5 lb bag last week. She says, well you caught her but I'll go ahead and buy you some and you can pay me back. Good thing it's cheap.


Aaaarrrrgh!!!!! At one point after she moved, having caught her yet again, Travis told her (paraphrasing) how in the world can you expect me to believe that crazy lie? If you're going to lie to me, you can least not insult me too by telling such flat out unbelievable lies.

I have no idea why she did. Laziness? To add insult to injury? Because she was so arrogant she thought she could make anyone believe anything? Dunno.....

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Good read on a slow evening.




http://shrink4men.com/2011/02/08/stalking-part-i-what-is-stalking-and-can-men-be-stalked-by-women/

 

[pocketaccent]

She told the same kind of idiotic outrageous and ridiculous lies to Travis on a near daily basis, even about the most insignificant of things.

One example, which had me gritting my teeth and growling just reading it: Travis was throwing a cookie party later on (she was not invited) and was out of the house doing PPL, and the was in his house doing whatever creepy things she did when he wasn't there.

She texted him that he needed flour to make the cookies. He told her- no, there's plenty there. She said, no, you don't have any. He said, yes, I definitely do. She said, No, Travis, you don't, I looked everywhere and you just don't. Travis said, that's not right, because I just bought a 5 lb bag last week. She says, well you caught her but I'll go ahead and buy you some and you can pay me back. Good thing it's cheap.


Aaaarrrrgh!!!!! At one point after she moved, having caught her yet again, Travis told her (paraphrasing) how in the world can you expect me to believe that crazy lie? If you're going to lie to me, you can least not insult me too by telling such flat out unbelievable lies.

I have no idea why she did. Laziness? To add insult to injury? Because she was so arrogant she thought she could make anyone believe anything? Dunno.....

This article describes JA to a T.

https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying.html

"........................A compulsive liar will resort to telling lies, regardless of the situation. Again, everyone lies from time to time (see when lovers lie), but for a compulsive liar, telling lies is routine. It becomes a habit—a way of life.

Simply put, for a compulsive liar, lying becomes second nature.

Not only do compulsive liars bend the truth about issues large and small, they take comfort in it. Lying feels right to a compulsive liar. Telling the truth, on the other hand, is difficult and uncomfortable.

And like any behavior which provides comfort and an escape from discomfort (i.e., alcohol, drugs, sex), lying can become addictive and hard to stop. For the compulsive liar, lying feels safe and this fuels the desire to lie even more.

Making matters even more complicated, compulsive lying is often a symptom of a much larger personality disorder, which only makes the problem more difficult to resolve (see narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder).

Unfortunately, compulsive lying is hard for the person involved to see, but it hurts those who are around it. Compulsive lying, if not addressed, can easily ruin a relationship (for example, see why does he need to lie).

Compulsive lying can be dealt with through counseling or therapy. But, like any addictive behavior (and/or personality disorder), getting someone to admit they have a problem with lying is the difficult part. Sadly enough, getting someone to recognize that he or she has a problem usually requires hitting rock bottom first."

 

[Nymeria]

S

I’m not the type to have an emotional breakdown over something like that the way Deanna has in the past. In fact, I would have been happy for him.

*BBM*

No, she just kills people.

I love reading your edits and opinions Hope, but she (killer) literally makes my blood boil :steamed:.
Years down the road and her blather still makes me want to scream.
She could not resist trying to make herself look better than Deanna :banghead:. Amazing that she can't see that anyone with an ounce of intelligence could/would see right through her childish ploys.

 

[RickshawFan]

Her journal entry for May 26th, written after LE phone interviews. (Taken from Juror 13’s site).


Her lies to cover up what actually happened are pathetically obvious, but that’s not what caught my eye when I reread this last week.

What I find most interesting is her lie about having phone sex with Travis after the whole confrontation ended, as well as her indirect allusion to something that was on the May 10 sex tape, the Red Riding Hood fantasy. She even repeats mention of phone sex and of the tied to the tree fantasy, IMO, because she wants to make sure LE connects the dots she’s manufactured, before and after the murder.

I also believe she is sick enough to have lied about having phone sex on the 26th at least in part because she felt tremendous satisfaction about playing with and tormenting Travis on the 26th with her multiple step reveal about the sex tape- phone sex.


5/26/08: Ok, so we finally cracked. I called and left Travis a voicemail and he called back. He was acting very angry at first. He said check your email so I did, but there wasn’t anything from him. So I called back and said I couldn’t find an email, & he said he sent it on Facebook.

So I checked my Facebook and there was a really, long, ridiculous email from him, just being his classic rude. We also chatted on gmail, more rude. He accused me again of slashing his tires, which of course is not true.

He was mad that I got into his Facebook account, which I would understand otherwise, except he gave me the password before. duh! But I haven’t logged into it in almost a week since he told me he doesn’t want to do that anymore.

So again, it was just one of his cycles. I’ve somehow managed to become his whipping-girl, and we’re both addicted to it. It’s the same pattern as always, he gets pissed, goes off on me, feels bad, we “make-up”, things are mellow for a few days, then the cycle begins again.

I’ve learned that it’s better to just let it run its course. Yes Travis you’re right, Travis, whatever you say, Travis. As long as I’m not too patronizing he goes right through it and then ends up being apologetic & sweet – talking afterward,

and we end up having make-up sex, or in this case, phone sex.

We’re crazy, being addicted to this cycle. We’ve explored about 90% of all of our fantasies. We’ve yet to pull over on the freeway and do it on the hood of the car in the middle of the day. I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

We haven’t done the mile-high yet, and probably never will, and we’ve yet to act out the Little Red Riding Hood spin in the woods, which as of last night is now still scheduled to happen.

I still have my doubts. I know I’m not seeing anyone, but I don’t want to sabotage any future possibilities. I’m not superstitious, but somehow it seems obvious that the only way we are going to move on is if we discontinue sexual contact.

I cracked and called. He called back. We fought, then made up. I still care so much for him. He’s a great guy and he’s always been there for me. (&#8230

Anyway, we chatted for close to 2 hours last night – or actually, this morning early. I let him get it out of his system until he couldn’t help it anymore. We called each other and talked until it was light out.

It actually wasn’t really talking. Well, dirty talk, I guess you could say.

I’m just as naughty as he is, more in fact. I often feel guilty but it is the guiltiest pleasure I’ve known since I discovered Valrohna Chocolate.

Anyway, I have the perfect spot in the woods for us up Greenhorn. It’s been about 7.5 years since I’ve been there, but it’s secluded and perfect for getting down. He has a video camera now. I can’t believe we’re still planning this. Part of me is overcome w/anticipation, and part of me is reserved and wanting to step up and be a good girl. But he’s very persuasive – in a good way.

Anyway, enough about him for now, he won’t be here for several weeks at this point. I started working at Casa Ramos as a bartender. It’s not a job I’m proud to tell people about, but what can I do?

Wow, how sick. I'd never read that before. No way they had phone sex that day/night. This is all manufactured. It basically forecasts her entire "defense". She's trying to write elaborations of the topics in the sex tape as though they had continued to develop in the weeks after.

All of this, by the way, has been written on a computer and copied by hand. Jodi can't write this way by hand, especially in her journals. These sentences are clearly thought through and heavily edited. She's careful with every word. They also flow from one paragraph to the next. By hand, Jodi, jumps all over the place and she's choppy.

 

[RickshawFan]

EVERY SINGLE TIME I read or hear about this "sharing passwords" mess it makes me crazy! NOBODY does that... It is "rediculous" ... UUUUGGGGHHHH... What an idiotic, outrageous lie. It's just one lie among soooo many, but dang it annoys me!

Besides, IIRC she told EF that they broke up because she got into TA's FB account. And he told his friends, like, all year that she had hacked his various accounts.

So, on the 26th, the big blowup with TA happened after she talked to LE? I didn't realize the latter. She manufactured all this after the murder when she was supposed to be crying... She must have been up all kinds of late nights.

 

[RickshawFan]

I loved her books. She writes well, did the work of repeatedly listening to and then analyzing literally every word the killer uttered on the stand, is top-notch snarky, and has a really good understanding of how JM handled --and mastered---the .

I'm hoping she pipes up after she's read JM's book, which I am absolutely sure she won't be able to resist.

Re. Whittemore. She picks out all kinds of details that I would never have noticed. She gets all Jodi's gestures and movements, not just her words.