Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2

[waltson]

Why would the drifter, someone JB obviously also didn't know for a long time, want to be JB's accomplice in a murder?

Whoa dude you have nothing to indicate JB didn't know the drifter for very long. In fact I'd bet the drifter is local and even grew up with JB. Weren't they both 48 years old?

 

[Peter Brendt]

No. 75 is dodderer. With or without a cane.

But well, an alcoholized drifter or JB, maybe also drugged and/or alcoholized is soo much more dangerous. And since we know, Coletti didn't see anyone but MP following SG, we know, whatever she believed would follow her, it wasn't there ... so ... what do you call haunted by someone or something that isn't there?

No. A well built man committed to "hurt" her. Your drifter or "an outraged persona trying to save his somewhat above the ground dignity, before it is stained by surfacing of his unwelcome behaviors."

Wow, and all of that without the faintest shred of even circumstantial evidence. Be happy, he isn't a member here. For that kind of baseless slander you could be sued to hell and back.

Like you said on your radio talk. Coletti seems like he first tried to handle the matter at the door. Shannan may have never been offered to get inside. I don’t judge Coletti, it is understandable, even wise.

Admittedly, I thought that for a long time. But listen closely what he said in 48 Hours.

What MP tells on the A&E show is exactly what I excerpted.
John Ray, he has nice porcelain teeth.

Everybody seems like ordered to add more mud in the water. Take the letter of the retired detective for example. Supposedly it is aimed to clear air. He uses the phrase "male voices". If I intended to clear the air, I would say something like "Two men, possibly JB and MP – Both have distinct speech features." But he says "male voices" what does that mean now?

It means "male voices" of which he can't tell for sure, whom they did belong to.

She may have over assessed the danger. Maybe she saw a serious beating coming and assessed it as an intent to kill.

Except, that she wasn't beaten. As you said, Coletti didn't see her roughed up. And seriously, seeing a beating coming which isn't coming, then seeing a murder coming that isn't coming, runnig at an early morning into a marsh ... regardless how you wriggle, but that adds all up to the same picture.

The interesting angle here is the call of CPH to mom Mari. Actually that is the only thing that makes me believe a freak accident.

CPH was perhaps requested to check Shannan with her mom, using a plausible (or one may find poorly thought) excuse. That means Shannan literally went missing FOR EVERYONE.

Oh, yeah, the one legged doc who hunts girls in marshes ... yeah right. No idea whether it was some kind of attention *advertiser censored* behavior coming through or whether he was involved as doc in any form and went for a panic driven attempt to cover up. But no way, this guy would hunt down a girl in that kind of terrain.

Like I said many times, without the actual 911 call (audio, transcription is still open to tricks) all we can do is to speculate and surmise a course of events took place in the weirdest night of 2010, which led to the results we have.

We know about the existence of the call and it's duration. That we don't know the content or at least not exactly, doesn't mean, we can feel free to ignore the call and it's duration entirely. 18 minutes, at least, she was on the phone with the police and two or maybe three hypotheical killers allegedly sat on the sofa the fingers up their noses and waited for her to be done, every minute aware of the danger, she could describe them or remember where the hell she was. Yeah, that makes perfectly sense ... not!

She's bipolar (Fact with what weight?). Drugs, (if involved) she's not doing it for the first time. Running for her life. That's definitely new.

a.) the disorder raises her susceptibility for such drug effects depending on the specific drugs and the amount of alcohol between factor ten and maybe factor 30. There are different studies about the subject.

b.) running for her life is a new one? How do you know that?

LISK
2SKs in a narrow stripe is plausible. 2SKs plus a murderer is as plausible as that. 2SKs and the unluckiest girl of the world, still plausible.

In my mind JB has got nothing to do with LISK. I agree with you on that, at least until I hear the 911 audio.

Well, technically, some other areas in thier history would have been happy to have only two and some garden variety murders and accidents. Given the population size of the wider area, two is a surprising small number.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Whoa dude you have nothing to indicate JB didn't know the drifter for very long. In fact I'd bet the drifter is local and even grew up with JB. Weren't they both 48 years old?

I don't know about their exact ages, but the drifter'S mom lived in a southern state, JB is a NY plant. So chances, they grew up together are VERY slim. And I think, I remember something was in the drifter thread about from where he came ... how high you said, you want to bet?

 

[Emre E]

b.) running for her life is a new one? How do you know that?

Dormer would say that, probably MP would support or vice versa.

 

[fred&edna]

While there are statements that SG wasn't always faithful about taking her bi-polar meds, is there evidence/examples of her "freaking out" when she was off the meds? (IMO, if MP said she freaked out in the past... his words don't count!)

 

[waltson]

I don't know about their exact ages, but the drifter'S mom lived in a southern state, JB is a NY plant. So chances, they grew up together are VERY slim. And I think, I remember something was in the drifter thread about from where he came ... how high you said, you want to bet?

Actually Peter, the drifter's mom lived in Massapequa and the drifter had gone to Georgia

 

[Justiceforever]

Wasnt the driver convicted of sex trafficing?If so it means he was much more than just a driver. Do we know of Any connection between him and any of the other girls that were found dead?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Dormer would say that, probably MP would support or vice versa.

Two "would" in one sentence doesn't make a fact.

 

[Peter Brendt]

While there are statements that SG wasn't always faithful about taking her bi-polar meds, is there evidence/examples of her "freaking out" when she was off the meds? (IMO, if MP said she freaked out in the past... his words don't count!)

Mari Gilbert said, it, read the link
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

 

[Peter Brendt]

Actually Peter, the drifter's mom lived in Massapequa and the drifter had gone to Georgia

Then you should feel safe to bet high on JB and the drifter knew each other since childhood and grew up together. So what's your offer? Or was it only bragging?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Wasnt the driver convicted of sex trafficing?If so it means he was much more than just a driver. Do we know of Any connection between him and any of the other girls that were found dead?

He was actually charged with a conspiracy to misuse a passport.
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214
And I can't find a connection to the other girls. Maybe someone else can find one or conjecture one?

 

[Emre E]

Peter why do you think SCPD is holding the 911 audio? Please do not say that is in their power. Because this is not the answer to "Why" this is the answer to "How"

 

[Just K]

I need to catch up on yesterday's MANY posts but, before I forget,

Were Shannan's pants:
INSIDE OUT
OUTSIDE OUT
One Leg turned Inside Out
Bunched up
or Strewn

Was there silt in the pockets?

The answers to these questions makes a HUGE difference, at least to me, re: whether she discarded her own pants, someone pulled her by her legs, or someone planted/placed the pants there without SG ever necessarily having been there...

 

[fred&edna]

Mari Gilbert said, it, read the link
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

I was actually looking for a history of "freak out" due to missing medication, not just a history of neglecting to take the meds. But, I suppose it doesn't matter.

BTW... In one of your previous posts you mentioned something about the Gilberts' attorney and you used the word "lying". I know you were responding to another post so maybe you didn't mean to imply that you thought he was actually lying... but, is that what you think? I'm just asking for clarification.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Peter why do you think SCPD is holding the 911 audio? Please do not say that is in their power. Because this is not the answer to "Why" this is the answer to "How"

Because the hold back everything they can. Since the beginning of the case, they only admitted to/released, what reporters had found out otherwise. The only exception from that rule were the sketches of JD6 and the Asian male and in those two cases, they didn't give vitals as far as they had them, which basically makes it impossible to identify them.
The problem is, that is an extreme form of "by the book" thinking. It's not bad intention, cover up or something. They have learned in seminars and training, to hold back details to figure out eventual SCs. But since they have neither the experience nor the training to deal with such a serial killer case, they just hold back everything. They are just unable to make differences. Well, at least, that is what I assume.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I need to catch up on yesterday's MANY posts but, before I forget,

Were Shannan's pants:
INSIDE OUT
OUTSIDE OUT
One Leg turned Inside Out
Bunched up
or Strewn

Was there silt in the pockets?

The answers to these questions makes a HUGE difference, at least to me, re: whether she discarded her own pants, someone pulled her by her legs, or someone planted/placed the pants there without SG ever necessarily having been there...

Unfortunately, this is also one of the many details, SCPD keeps secret.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I was actually looking for a history of "freak out" due to missing medication, not just a history of neglecting to take the meds. But, I suppose it doesn't matter.

BTW... In one of your previous posts you mentioned something about the Gilberts' attorney and you used the word "lying". I know you were responding to another post so maybe you didn't mean to imply that you thought he was actually lying... but, is that what you think? I'm just asking for clarification.

Since you didn't quote or link, which of the many, I can only assume, you refer to one of the posts between Emre E and me. I wrote there, a little bit sarcastic, that Michael Pak made also a cell phone tower lying to point out a logic mistake. In the same mail, but another subject in those posts also John Ray was mentioned.
No, I don't think, John Ray intentionally lies. I think, he has simply not enough knowledge about that kind of case to create a good lie and he didn't do his research into other cases. So he is just repeating tids and bits from internet and media and since they fit his publicity strategy, uses those, he finds at the "foul play faction" without actually understanding the logical problems with that theory.

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

Not quite. The controversy lies in the mention and later reference to drug rehab in conversations that CPH had with the Gilberts. The controversy does not lie in somebody's field notes accurately writing about those conversations.

My guess is that Shannan had never been to drug rehab (just a guess). Next question: Why is CPH talking about drug rehab with the Gilberts in any conversations? In the field notes, he implies that Mari mentioned past drug rehab first.

Does the later refererent betray yet another CPH lie in an attempt to weasel outta a relevant connection?

Who first mentioned drug rehab? Why?

There is something about the doc mentioning the drug rehab that sends chills up my spine-can't tell you why but my instincts tell me that there are answers clues in this direction.

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

So then you believe that it was purely a coincidence that she was afraid for her lifein an environment where clearly there was a serial killer at work. It's possible for sure...but it's also possible, would you agree, that perhaps she was indeed in the company of the killer? And while drugs may have played a part in her confusion, legitimate fear may have came into play also?

I believe Shannan was in the company of the killer that night and it's about damn time LE starts trying to get to the bottom of that fact.

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

Would anybody give credit to the two.

Shannan was shown snuff. That can be real terrorizing without getting physical.

Shannan was holding a gun she somehow captured. Shannan in a way does not fit the pattern of other girls. She had her share of violence with her bf. Maybe she fought back fiercely and got a gun (which was present there). That is why two guys are calmly listening when she's on the phone and trying to talk her out of it.

I also believe that Shannan was shown snuff and that is what terrorized her. Perhaps it was snuff of the other victims.