Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

[Blueeyedbrowngirl]

BBM

How many voices could there be? According to Pak, it was just him, Shannan and Brewer, plus the 911 operator. Are there more?

Unfortunately we don’t know. Attorney Ray can’t discuss the contents of the recording but he confirmed that at least three voices are on it.

 

[Deleted member 96356]

Thanks @Blueeyedbrowngirl

I'll be surprised if there are more voices than Shannon, Brewer, Pak and the 911 operator. Imo Shannan's death and potential murder was very tragic, yet likely a separate incident from LISK per se. But it's poetic justice that LISK's spree was brought to light by the disappearance of a Craigslist escort, the very type of person he/they preyed on.

I wish we could hear recordings of Shannan's singing voice so she could be remembered for her talent. People say she sang beautifully.

 

[WINDSOR]

As far as I know, there have been no 'leaks' or any other information made available regarding the contents of the 23 minute 911 call. We know John Ray has a copy, and probably does not want to be the source of any unofficial releases.

However I have to believe there have been other people who have heard the tapes, and might have commented off the record.
Has anybody heard anything?

 

[DEB-Z]

Thankfully the tapes still exist because A LOT could’ve happened to them over the past ten years.

Does anyone know about the State Police 911 calls placed by SG; have they been turned in

I just started watching the doc. and was struck by Shanon's 911 call where she said "their trying to kill me"? So, I guess I agree with the 'profiler' Peter. She was not a product of 'LISK'.

i disagree, due to close vicinity of the other bodies to this gated community; I feel it is a MALE SNUFF/SEX/KILL GROUP would not be surprised if photos and videos exist of all of the victims being killed by this “powerful/influential” group of men;
they probably set, controlled, and influenced the investigation, media, medical examiner, etc... MOO

 

[Gilgo Case]

I feel it is a MALE SNUFF/SEX/KILL GROUP would not be surprised if photos and videos exist of all of the victims being killed by this “powerful/influential” group of men;

Can you provide any evidence to support this theory? Can you give any examples of other groups of powerful men that make snuff films?

 

[burntsnoop]

New John Ray press conference re: Shannan Gilbert 911 tapes- News 12 Long Island on Facebook Watch

 

[WINDSOR]

New John Ray press conference re: Shannan Gilbert 911 tapes- News 12 Long Island on Facebook Watch

Great news. Novemeber 19 is the next big date in this case, when John Ray asks Judge Berland to make the tapes and the transcripts public.

Reading between the lines when John Ray implies that Burke and Spotta have some sort of involvement. Ray also specifically names, Pak, Brewer and Hackett.
To name these individuals publically must have some significance.

Now there are some sleuthers who belive John Ray has no credibility, however he is the one who has put the time and money into this case like no one else.

 

[hawkshaw]

Breland is a Hack. Listen to the 18 minute of tape of Ray being interviewed. As he said it is all bout delay, delay, and more delay.

 

[burntsnoop]

Great news. Novemeber 19 is the next big date in this case, when John Ray asks Judge Berland to make the tapes and the transcripts public.

Reading between the lines when John Ray implies that Burke and Spotta have some sort of involvement. Ray also specifically names, Pak, Brewer and Hackett.
To name these individuals publically must have some significance.

Now there are some sleuthers who belive John Ray has no credibility, however he is the one who has put the time and money into this case like no one else.

Yes I agree with that sentiment.

I also agree about Ray- as I'll always go with his info, as he's put the most time into this case and has a table full of evidence, right behind him.

Breland is a Hack. Listen to the 18 minute of tape of Ray being interviewed. As he said it is all bout delay, delay, and more delay.

As usual, I agree with Hawkshaw here. My first gut reaction was that SCPD will do their continued work of delaying this again & again.

 

[Sallyla]

As usual, I agree with Hawkshaw here. My first gut reaction was that SCPD will do their continued work of delaying this again & again.

I agree too and I think this speech was an extremely pointed address to Hart.

I think Ray has given this speech because he knows that despite Hart doing a very good spin to the media behind the scenes nothing much is being done.

This is a gauntlet thrown down for Hart, demanding her actions match her words.

If SCPD or the courts refuse release I think that he will go over their heads, release to the general public and ask them to be the judge if he should be punished for doing so.

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Hart has responded with a refusal, obviously she believes whatever is on that tape is too inflammatory to release and she’s banking on being able to hide it forever.


She can’t, she won’t. When that tape is released it’ll be clear that SCPD covered up her killing. Ray won’t be prosecuted but SCPD will be burning down.

 

[hawkshaw]

I wonder if anyone remembers the first excuse the cops used for not releasing the 911 Tape? They said it was against the law to do so by citing some local law. After realizing the nonsense of saying that they resorted to the old 'active investigation' excuse.
funny thing about it is the liars may have got the idea right off of this Blog?

 

[eagleyeseymour]

I wonder if anyone remembers the first excuse the cops used for not releasing the 911 Tape? They said it was against the law to do so by citing some local law. After realizing the nonsense of saying that they resorted to the old 'active investigation' excuse.
funny thing about it is the liars may have got the idea right off of this Blog?

SCPD just can't get their ducks in a row. As Ray said in his presser, they are taking inconsistent positions on the case to avoid disclosure. Will Berland let them continue to move the goalposts? I'm not counting on him...

Ray won't live forever, he's no spring chicken. He also stated the SCPD has done everything to ensure the case goes cold, which IMO, it essentially has though I'm not using any formal criteria to define 'cold'. Ray mentioned witnesses dying, etc. I wonder how much time he's got himself and if the tapes would ever be 'leaked' provided he is aware of and approaching his own mortality.

I'd bet that whomever is responsible for the killings, whether that be a lone individual or conspirator(s) has at some point visited this forum. They may have even contributed and presented information they've presented as factual to confuse the public and get those interested in this case entertaining other possibilities. I'm 99.9% certain that those behind the killings would take an interest in the speculation regarding these crimes, perhaps do a little recon to ensure they stay a step ahead.

Hart seemed to be the savior, but it's clear she is just a "yes" woman. Disappointing to say the least.

 

[GrayShadow]

SCPD just can't get their ducks in a row. As Ray said in his presser, they are taking inconsistent positions on the case to avoid disclosure. Will Berland let them continue to move the goalposts? I'm not counting on him...

Ray won't live forever, he's no spring chicken. He also stated the SCPD has done everything to ensure the case goes cold, which IMO, it essentially has though I'm not using any formal criteria to define 'cold'. Ray mentioned witnesses dying, etc. I wonder how much time he's got himself and if the tapes would ever be 'leaked' provided he is aware of and approaching his own mortality.

I'd bet that whomever is responsible for the killings, whether that be a lone individual or conspirator(s) has at some point visited this forum. They may have even contributed and presented information they've presented as factual to confuse the public and get those interested in this case entertaining other possibilities. I'm 99.9% certain that those behind the killings would take an interest in the speculation regarding these crimes, perhaps do a little recon to ensure they stay a step ahead.

Hart seemed to be the savior, but it's clear she is just a "yes" woman. Disappointing to say the least.

Until ‘the several’ were ‘cast out’ or otherwise departed the establishment of influences in law enforcement and prosecution, there was little hope in Suffolk. It is still entirely possible that ‘old guard’ still remain in place. New leadership requires (indeterminate) time to understand, identify and determine whether those ‘old guard’ allegiances are to principles or persons. Until that is determined, and the new leadership is comfortable, leadership need keep much close to the vest.

Historically, there has been too, too much convergence/coalescence between political alignment, law enforcement and prosecution. Pseudo-nepotism might also be considered as well. New leadership need be cautious of any action(s) in order to secure “clean” and “pure” investigation in these regards (cases) going forward regardless of what has(not) taken place previously.

That said, with new personnel in the positions of District Attorney, Police Commissioner and Police Chief, they deserve some time to overcome years (decades?) of graft, corruption, deceit, coverup and protectionism previously held by individuals in those roles.

Consider DA Tim Sini re-engaging the FBI and Geraldine Hart’s acquiescence on the 911 tapes. They are reaching out for untainted investigation and attempting to be transparent to the public without compromising evidence needed to prosecute the case(s) - especially if there are law enforcement, prosecutorial or political entities are complicit.

These cases are convoluted, complex, and frankly, contaminated by earlier leadership. Unraveling the mess inherited by current leadership will still take patience, time and caution not to further damage a prosecutorial case.

Just my opinion.

 

[hawkshaw]

Until ‘the several’ were ‘cast out’ or otherwise departed the establishment of influences in law enforcement and prosecution, there was little hope in Suffolk. It is still entirely possible that ‘old guard’ still remain in place. New leadership requires (indeterminate) time to understand, identify and determine whether those ‘old guard’ allegiances are to principles or persons. Until that is determined, and the new leadership is comfortable, leadership need keep much close to the vest.

Historically, there has been too, too much convergence/coalescence between political alignment, law enforcement and prosecution. Pseudo-nepotism might also be considered as well. New leadership need be cautious of any action(s) in order to secure “clean” and “pure” investigation in these regards (cases) going forward regardless of what has(not) taken place previously.

That said, with new personnel in the positions of District Attorney, Police Commissioner and Police Chief, they deserve some time to overcome years (decades?) of graft, corruption, deceit, coverup and protectionism previously held by individuals in those roles.

Consider DA Tim Sini re-engaging the FBI and Geraldine Hart’s acquiescence on the 911 tapes. They are reaching out for untainted investigation and attempting to be transparent to the public without compromising evidence needed to prosecute the case(s) - especially if there are law enforcement, prosecutorial or political entities are complicit.

These cases are convoluted, complex, and frankly, contaminated by earlier leadership. Unraveling the mess inherited by current leadership will still take patience, time and caution not to further damage a prosecutorial case.

Just my opinion.

GS - You have a clear understanding of how and why things work - or in this case why they don't work. I put you somewhere in the 70+ age area. Yes, it is a long process that takes years to understand and fix the problems. My experience takes me back to Pre-Knapp. These people in place now are not prepared to be able to fix those problems

 

[fred&edna]

Despite the fact I thought Ray's legal argument to release the tape was "spot on", I was honestly shocked it was actually released. But how many years passed between Judge Berland's ruling to the time Detective P delivered the tape to Ray? (And, wasn't it interesting it was Det. P who delivered them, ha!). I wonder how long Commissioner Hart will make us wait, yet again??

 

[eagleyeseymour]

Until ‘the several’ were ‘cast out’ or otherwise departed the establishment of influences in law enforcement and prosecution, there was little hope in Suffolk. It is still entirely possible that ‘old guard’ still remain in place. New leadership requires (indeterminate) time to understand, identify and determine whether those ‘old guard’ allegiances are to principles or persons. Until that is determined, and the new leadership is comfortable, leadership need keep much close to the vest.

Historically, there has been too, too much convergence/coalescence between political alignment, law enforcement and prosecution. Pseudo-nepotism might also be considered as well. New leadership need be cautious of any action(s) in order to secure “clean” and “pure” investigation in these regards (cases) going forward regardless of what has(not) taken place previously.

That said, with new personnel in the positions of District Attorney, Police Commissioner and Police Chief, they deserve some time to overcome years (decades?) of graft, corruption, deceit, coverup and protectionism previously held by individuals in those roles.

Consider DA Tim Sini re-engaging the FBI and Geraldine Hart’s acquiescence on the 911 tapes. They are reaching out for untainted investigation and attempting to be transparent to the public without compromising evidence needed to prosecute the case(s) - especially if there are law enforcement, prosecutorial or political entities are complicit.

These cases are convoluted, complex, and frankly, contaminated by earlier leadership. Unraveling the mess inherited by current leadership will still take patience, time and caution not to further damage a prosecutorial case.

Just my opinion.

All valid points. My main criticism of Hart is in response to Ray's statements about open communication with her regarding the testimony he has from Oak Beach residents and key witnesses, along with the many devices Gilbert owned and used, including the one recovered from the scene.

I am not from a law enforcement background, however, if there is truth to his claim that this evidence was offered to Hart and she said it would be picked up by SCPD , followed by months of silence and no follow up, it paints a picture of an agency with questionable motivation and interest in moving the case forward.

I respect your position and you make some very strong points, I'm curious what your perspective in, in particular, on the evidence being left on the table?

 

[GrayShadow]

GS - You have a clear understanding of how and why things work - or in this case why they don't work. I put you somewhere in the 70+ age area. Yes, it is a long process that takes years to understand and fix the problems. My experience takes me back to Pre-Knapp. These people in place now are not prepared to be able to fix those problems

Hawk – Correct. Knapp identified some specifics that could/should take place to mitigate that corruption situation. Mitigations can be established in short order, basically flip of the switch. Change in culture is not simply implementation of mitigation. Culture change requires time. How long it takes to purge corruption is significantly dependent upon how deep and extensive it is – certainly years, likely decades and even more likely generations. I fully acknowledge Knapp did not ‘solve’ that problem. As not a (near) resident I don’t know if things improved, regressed or changed at all. Maybe leadership has simply been very successful to insure issues do not reach national news media to share dirty laundry across the country.

I cannot characterize current Suffolk leadership’s preparation or abilities. The most this current leadership can do is begin mitigations and they don’t even have a Knapp-like commission to cite as justification or to back them up. To whatever extent “clean up” is taking place, it is coming entirely from within the corrupt environment itself similar to what existed pre/post Knapp. Extended time and ongoing leadership’s active support will be necessary for the culture to come clean. Best intent and direction today could very well be subverted by future leadership. It is a bit like a family intervention, requiring a lot of agreement within the family that something must be done about the family member and then following through.

The necessary follow through rendered Knapp unsuccessful. That likely had as much, if not more, to do with politics’ influence on LE. Suffolk will suffer similarly.

 

[GrayShadow]

All valid points. My main criticism of Hart is in response to Ray's statements about open communication with her regarding the testimony he has from Oak Beach residents and key witnesses, along with the many devices Gilbert owned and used, including the one recovered from the scene.

I am not from a law enforcement background, however, if there is truth to his claim that this evidence was offered to Hart and she said it would be picked up by SCPD , followed by months of silence and no follow up, it paints a picture of an agency with questionable motivation and interest in moving the case forward.

I respect your position and you make some very strong points, I'm curious what your perspective in, in particular, on the evidence being left on the table?

Eagle – While I have great empathy for the Gilbert family, I have conflicted thoughts about JR. Reading back and watching videos, he variously comes across (at least to me) to be sometimes sincere in the family’s interests while other times a bit blustery and self-promoting. Frankly, I don’t know how much veracity or value to place in his reported ‘evidence’.

Other than the court order stipulating JR cannot release the 911 tapes (or their transcripts), I am not aware of any other court orders, that specifically, prevent him from releasing some/all of his ‘evidence’ to the media. Perhaps with even just a tidbit, verifiable by the media, would at least cause LE to show more interest in what he professes to have. JR’s assertion that CH stated the evidence would be picked up but has not taken place is disturbing and certainly negative PR. We don’t know the veracity of that very statement. It might very well have been “if/when we need it, we’ll’ be in touch”. A stretch, I acknowledge. Just because JR claims to have the smoking gun(s) does not mean it is explosive or unknown to LE.

On the other hand, depending on the depth and extent of Suffolk corruption, it presently may not be advantageous or even wise for JR’s information to be widely accessible or disseminated within LE. What leadership does not need is current LE doing anything to further taint investigations and reduce the odds of conviction(s). The SG case has very obviously been a fiasco from day one and so tainted it may very well never result in a conviction for numerous reasons.

At some point, if not already, criminal justice courses will use the SG case as a prime example for every incorrect, improper, incompetent, deniable, incomprehensible, overlooked, mishandling and utterly ignorant approach to law enforcement investigation and prosecution of a case. It could likely play a part in the teaching of civics and ethics courses as well. It is a travesty and shameful black eye for law enforcement everywhere.

 

[hawkshaw]

I can sum up both of your post replies with one word: Brilliant

 

[hawkshaw]

You sound a lot like someone I know