Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

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PickleChris said:
I'm surprised they didn't mention a helicopter or catapult theory as to how her body got in there.

Has anyone actually visited the location and looked at these 'trails' from OB (not OP) into the area she was found? Really spent some time looking at these? Google maps can only do so much and all the footage I've seen doesn't explore all paths to her final resting place.
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SG's family attorney recreated the route from the John's house all the way through were each item was found and then ultimately to where her body was found. Its marsh..not a briar patch. I watched it and he did it with absolute ease. No way she last her pants, etc and drowned or succumbed to the elements from that stuff.

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That's tidal area. You can't compare his walk through conditions and the night SG went missing because we don't know them.
 
hipmomx2 said:
SG's family attorney recreated the route from the John's house all the way through were each item was found and then ultimately to where her body was found. Its marsh..not a briar patch. I watched it and he did it with absolute ease. No way she last her pants, etc and drowned or succumbed to the elements from that stuff.

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It is a lot easier to negotiate brush in the daytime than at night.

Was it pitch black when he did this, and was he in a drug induced paranoid state in the process of entering an OD condition?

If not, then you can't draw any conclusions from his walk.
 
Tugela said:
It is a lot easier to negotiate brush in the daytime than at night.

Was it pitch black when he did this, and was he in a drug induced paranoid state in the process of entering an OD condition?

If not, then you can't draw any conclusions from his walk.
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How do you know she was in a "drug induced" state or "ODing" on anything? I'm sorry, did I miss a tox report? He did, in fact do this walk under the same weather, etc conditions. The only difference was he did this in the daytime. Which is understandable. Let me also add, he had a female accompany him.
I also think there is a difference between "brush" and "marsh."
 
hipmomx2 said:
How do you know she was in a "drug induced" state or "ODing" on anything? I'm sorry, did I miss a tox report? He did, in fact do this walk under the same weather, etc conditions. The only difference was he did this in the daytime. Which is understandable. Let me also add, he had a female accompany him.
I also think there is a difference between "brush" and "marsh."
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There's some huge differences there. A daylight stroll through there with at least two other people is not even close to the nearly pitch black trip SG took through there. They could see the path they wanted to take to get to where they wanted, SG couldn't even see her next footfall while heading towards the only glowing source of light she could see. The moon was barely into the first quarter and so close to setting that it was way low on the western horizon making that area as close to blacked out as possible. Everyone who saw and heard her said she was panicked, disturbed etc., whether it was drugs or her mind, and it's very possible between panic, exhaustion and the elements, she died. The way the timeline doesn't really leave a moment for anyone else to have gotten in there and be involved makes what's very possible very probable.
 
mcme said:
There's some huge differences there. A daylight stroll through there with at least two other people is not even close to the nearly pitch black trip SG took through there. They could see the path they wanted to take to get to where they wanted, SG couldn't even see her next footfall while heading towards the only glowing source of light she could see. The moon was barely into the first quarter and so close to setting that it was way low on the western horizon making that area as close to blacked out as possible. Everyone who saw and heard her said she was panicked, disturbed etc., whether it was drugs or her mind, and it's very possible between panic, exhaustion and the elements, she died. The way the timeline doesn't really leave a moment for anyone else to have gotten in there and be involved makes what's very possible very probable.
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While I agree that its POSSIBLE, I have to respectfully disagree that it was PROBABLE. It's POSSIBLE that a meteorite could fall and hit me between the eyes but PROBABLE...nah. I don't mean that in a smart alec way. I used that example bc IMO the chances that she happened to be an escort who called 911 saying someone was trying to kill her and is never heard from again, and is then found dead among several other escorts who were murdered...is as about as probable as my meteorite example.

Your earlier statement saying "Was he in a drug induced paranoid state in the process of entering an OD condition" does not suggest that it was POSSIBLE she intoxicated. It sounds as if you are certain of it and it's rumors, speculation and innuendos like that, that makes fact and fiction blend together.

"Panicked and disturbed" Absolutely positively probable. How, who and what led to her being in that state is nothing but guesswork.
 
I gotta say after all this time the Drifter or whoever was ACTUALLY in Joe Brewer's house that night is still most likely the Serial Killer. When you look at manorville...it looks like the SK was killing Girls and there Drivers/Pimps. I think Shannan knew that they/he planned to kill both Shannan and Pak. Shannan saw something in the house and she knew Pak would no longer be able to protect her. The Drifter AC connection makes him the best suspect. It is a closed room mystery. So who the **** is the drifter?
 
hipmomx2 said:
....the chances that she happened to be an escort who called 911 saying someone was trying to kill her and is never heard from again, and is then found dead among several other escorts who were murdered...

Your earlier statement saying "Was he in a drug induced paranoid state in the process of entering an OD condition" does not suggest that it was POSSIBLE she intoxicated. It sounds as if you are certain of it and it's rumors, speculation and innuendos like that, that makes fact and fiction blend together.

"Panicked and disturbed" Absolutely positively probable. How, who and what led to her being in that state is nothing but guesswork.
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With regard to the first paragraph quoted, the word coincidence is in the dictionary for a reason.

As to the second, maybe you're confusing someone else's post for mine?
I used panicked and disturbed because I don't know if she was high. I will say that because she did have a history of using drugs and was up at five in the morning from the previous night I believe she was probably high.
 
She probably was high. And I'm sure that played a role.

My only thing is that even people drunk or high typically need a reason to freak out. How many time have you seen someone on drugs at a party or at a bar jump up and start screaming they are trying to kill me?
I wouldn't be shocked if her being on drugs intensified her reaction. It could even explain why she ran from Pak. But I still think something had to of triggered her. Something had to of put the thought into her head that she was going to be murdered.
 
I think the call from Hackett was intended to draw suspicion away from whoever was in the house that night. We want answers!
 
mcme said:
With regard to the first paragraph quoted, the word coincidence is in the dictionary for a reason.

As to the second, maybe you're confusing someone else's post for mine?
I used panicked and disturbed because I don't know if she was high. I will say that because she did have a history of using drugs and was up at five in the morning from the previous night I believe she was probably high.
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"Probably high" is an *opinion*, an opinion that I actually share but I wouldn't go as far as to say it as if it were fact.
A "coincidence" www.dictionary.com "noun
1. a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by mere chance:"
I would hardly call the repeated happenings in this case a "coincidence" and I certainly wouldn't say they happened "by mere chance."
I haven't confused anything. I just think that there are aspects of this case that are absolute, undeniable fact and there are things that people presume and confuse with fact because people state things as if they are fact, rather than making it clear it's only opinion (such as your statements about her being close to overdosing)

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My point is that I never said she was in a drug induced paranoid state and entering a OD state. And the coincidence I'm referring to is that SG, a prostitute, went and set herself up to die right near where a bunch of prostitutes who were murdered were dumped.
I hope that's clearer now.
 
Tugela said:
It is a lot easier to negotiate brush in the daytime than at night.

Was it pitch black when he did this, and was he in a drug induced paranoid state in the process of entering an OD condition?

If not, then you can't draw any conclusions from his walk.
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Are you serious? That statement by you doesn't imply that?
 
MCME
I'm not going to debate this, it's not productive. We can agree to absolutely disagree. Take care.
 
I have read that some prostitutes, the "pros" try not to get wasted while they are working since it is dangerous and unattractive to their customers. Therefore I do not assume that she was high. I don't think we know one way or the other. I discount anything Pak has to say on the matter and I do not trust what LE has said. Too bad we can't hear the tape.
 
Redbird said:
I have read that some prostitutes, the "pros" try not to get wasted while they are working since it is dangerous and unattractive to their customers. Therefore I do not assume that she was high. I don't think we know one way or the other. I discount anything Pak has to say on the matter and I do not trust what LE has said. Too bad we can't hear the tape.
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Agreed. I'll just put this out there, while in college I worked at a strip club. The first couple of weeks I'd DRINK. Then I realized, I can make way more money if I'm sober enough to portray whatever gets you to take your wallet out. I also realized that 95% of the other dancers only worked sober as well.
 
mcme said:
My point is that I never said she was in a drug induced paranoid state and entering a OD state. And the coincidence I'm referring to is that SG, a prostitute, went and set herself up to die right near where a bunch of prostitutes who were murdered were dumped.
I hope that's clearer now.
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I owe you an apology. I did confuse your post with someone else's. My mistake.
 
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