Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

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He was camping out inside the house all night before he murdered them! :rolleyes: (At least, the family believes it! WTH?! :bang:)
No kidding!! And surprise ~ perp wakes up just as CC leaves the house and there's his big opportunity! :rolleyes: MOO
 
Oh...wait...the perp did stay in the house all night! Duh!

I guess if this is the story Chris is telling...he is being honest. He was supposedly there until 5:43 am.
 
Were there any reports of Sheri being sexually assaulted? That is the only reason I can think of someone hiding out til Chris left. This story just seems preposterous to me although stranger things have happened!
 
Were there any reports of Sheri being sexually assaulted? That is the only reason I can think of someone hiding out til Chris left. This story just seems preposterous to me although stranger things have happened!
No mention of a sexual assault. However, it wouldn't surprise me since it could be that they were supposedly separating or had already separated. If Sheri had denied him sex, it could have triggered the rage, imo.
 
Were there any reports of Sheri being sexually assaulted? That is the only reason I can think of someone hiding out til Chris left. This story just seems preposterous to me although stranger things have happened!

NO and that sticks out to me.If you are sending letters targeting a family then kill them usually there is a sexual assault of the mother.
 
I respectfully disagree, Stella. In this day in age of forced confessions by LE and other issues I would want an attorney present even if I knew I was innocent. Google the Joshua Kezer case. Perfect example of small town justice rotten to the core.

Again, I am not defending CC's actions, but yes...I would want an attorney present immediately.

I agree that confessions are coerced at times but my study of history tells me that although it does continue to happen, it was in the past, especially in cases of people of color or people with mental disabilities, that forced confessions were more common.
The point is, although a person may need to be concerned about that as an investigation unfolds, and possibly lawyer up when ater considerable time has passed and it looks like the investigation is no longer concentrating on all possibilities, but instead, concentrating on one, innocent person while ignoring other leads, at the beginning of a crime, hours, even days after, especially a crime of this level of horror, the survivors do not think about their own rights or lawyers or anything of that nature.
I've stated this before, as have others here, that in my own experience with death, the first reaction is one of trauma, shock, grief, terror. Not anything else that may be happening in the larger world. The fact of the death narrows one's field of vision until the only thing that exists is ones agony and thoughts of the dear one who is gone.
And, in cases of crime, when it involves the murders of a person's own family - children or wives - crime victims like Mark Klaas and John Walsh repeatedly state that these feelings of terror and agony preclude any thought of lawyering up, in those beginning stages especially, and that instead, a desire to aid LE by whatever means necessary, including allowing intense personal scrutiny through giving whatever evidence LE desires, doing lie detector tests, etc, is about the only response an INNOCENT person has to an investigation.
A great example is the case featured last night on 20/20 of little Mikelle Biggs, an 11 year old who went missing ten years ago. Her father was heavily scrutinized, for a year. He was the main focus for a while of LE's investigation. Instead of shutting down and lawyering up, he gave them EVERYTHING they wanted - repeated, lengthy interviews which may have amounted to interrogations, lie detector tests, voice stress tests, psychological analyses, etc. He became enraged that the focus was on him and he was enraged about the loss of his child but he states he never thought of getting a lawyer. He only thought of doing whatever it took to clear himself in LE's eyes so they could find his child.
Mikelle's father was eventually cleared and LE now has a prime suspect in a very brutal killer who in prison for a different crime. But the important thing is that people in these situations of intense scrutiny do not think of themselves first, they think of their murdered loved ones. I'm not sure why that is hard to understand.
To me, the opposite is what is hard to understand. Remember, it was not a year, months, weeks or even days before Chris retained a lawyer, it was HOURS. Who the heck even thinks of such a thing at such a time, especially when it is obvious that scrutiny of family is necessary to rule them out so others can be considered? All I would be thinking is "Catch the *advertiser censored*. What do you need, LE?"
 
Oh...wait...the perp did stay in the house all night! Duh!

I guess if this is the story Chris is telling...he is being honest. He was supposedly there until 5:43 am.
Good point! Yes, I believe the perp was there all night too. ;)
 
That's what I was thinking. Woe be unto me if I ever turned down the preacher's son for whatever reason. It would surely end up in an all night 'knock down drag out' and it wouldn't stop til I finally relented. Then I'd be in the classroom the next day with no sleep, puffy eyes and 20 1st graders who needed me! It was easier to just submit. It is one of many ways that a sociopath controlls their victim. And he had his share of 'ahem' extra curricular activities too.

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Were there any reports of Sheri being sexually assaulted? That is the only reason I can think of someone hiding out til Chris left. This story just seems preposterous to me although stranger things have happened!
Even at that, the wife could've been sexually assaulted after killing the husband and kids, so that's not even a good reason for him to be spared. What I haven't seen any explanation of, other than the words written downstairs, is what was this threat for? Gambling debt? Drug money? In other words, what was CC supposed to do to comply that led to the "or else" that got his family killed? :waitasec: MOO
 
Even at that, the wife could've been sexually assaulted after killing the husband and kids, so that's not even a good reason for him to be spared. What I haven't seen any explanation of, other than the words written downstairs, is what was this threat for? Gambling debt? Drug money? In other words, what was CC supposed to do to comply that led to the "or else" that got his family killed? :waitasec: MOO

Plus if LE thought there were credible threats(they seem very dismissive of the threats)Why wasn"t FBI called in? Or at the very least if threats were because of his employment JMM has many houses that are left empty you would think they would move the family to another house .IMO
 
Has anybody local seen a rush to resign from any other JMM employees?Who would keep working for her if your family might get wiped out by this JMM hater who is on the loose?
 
NO and that sticks out to me.If you are sending letters targeting a family then kill them usually there is a sexual assault of the mother.
The "letters" get me. Envelopes, stamps and paper ~ all possible DNA and fingerprints. Typewritten in a computer and printed out ~ easy to trace back to the computer and/or printer. Handwritten ~ can be compared with handwriting samples. I'm sure the message left in the basement has been analyzed also. DUMB! :rolleyes: MOO
 
Hello Panthera,

Your coat is looking extremely healthy these days ;)

The threats supposedly had something to do with Chris' work --

Hmmm V8 moment -- so, just how would that sound? And of course, that kinda rules out it sounding like it came from a jealous exhusband.

You wrote:
>>I'd really like to know what he felt was so important for the phone calls?<<

You know, something struck me on this.

A. When he left the house there was a slight shadow of doubt that one of his family members was still alive and might have picked up the phone?
i.e. in that case he might have to skidaddle or go back and finish some things before trying the next flop on the wall welfare check.

B. He was calling to see if his hitman had finished and gotten out of there?

Not that I necessarily believe either of the above AND fully leave the gang to beat both of the above up and get that nicely off the plate :)

W
 
Plus if LE thought there were credible threats(they seem very dismissive of the threats)Why wasn"t FBI called in? Or at the very least if threats were because of his employment JMM has many houses that are left empty you would think they would move the family to another house .IMO
Exactly! And if the threats were due to his employment with JMM, why him? Why not further up the ladder, even JM herself? :waitasec: MOO
 
The "letters" get me. Envelopes, stamps and paper ~ all possible DNA and fingerprints. Typewritten in a computer and printed out ~ easy to trace back to the computer and/or printer. Handwritten ~ can be compared with handwriting samples. I'm sure the message left in the basement has been analyzed also. DUMB! :rolleyes: MOO

I am starting to wonder if that box of books were true crime cases and instead of reading them just flipped some pages and took bits and pieces from the other family killers:rolleyes: but IMO He should have read them cause he would have found out they all got caught:eek:
 
Exactly! And if the threats were due to his employment with JMM, why him? Why not further up the ladder, even JM herself? :waitasec: MOO

You never know though, JM herself or other people who worked there could've received threats as well, they just aren't letting the media know about it.
 
What if SC found out about TL and CC hooking up and called JM directly? JM then confronted CC about it and began the process of being let go because of the morals clause. Meanwhile CC goes home, finds SC is leaving, they argue, kaos ensues, and we pick up the story with the call to LE.

That might explain why JM herself came to the scene so quickly. She might have known there was going to be a throwdown, but it became something even she wouldnt have expected to happen.

Just also seems he was forced to resign pretty (or more than likely face firing) pretty quickly. Unless the process was already started!
 
Whew! You had me worried there for a minute~ :blowkiss:

I thought the dark side had taken you. LOL

Oh you should know me better! I am over this case, I've made my mind up. . I don't have time to follow it closely due to work and other stuff, so I am just watching for an arrest!
 
The "letters" get me. Envelopes, stamps and paper ~ all possible DNA and fingerprints. Typewritten in a computer and printed out ~ easy to trace back to the computer and/or printer. Handwritten ~ can be compared with handwriting samples. I'm sure the message left in the basement has been analyzed also. DUMB! :rolleyes: MOO

Computer forensics is why the monster BTK was finally caught!
 
Hello Panthera,

Your coat is looking extremely healthy these days ;)

The threats supposedly had something to do with Chris' work --

Hmmm V8 moment -- so, just how would that sound? And of course, that kinda rules out it sounding like it came from a jealous exhusband.

You wrote:
>>I'd really like to know what he felt was so important for the phone calls?<<

You know, something struck me on this.

A. When he left the house there was a slight shadow of doubt that one of his family members were still alive and might have picked up the phone?
i.e. in that case he might have to skidaddle or go back and finish some things before trying the next flop on the wall welfare check.

B. He was calling to see if his hitman had finished and gotten out of there?

Not that I necessarily believe either of the above AND fully leave the gang to beat both of the above up and get that nicely off the plate :)

W
Thanks so much for your compliment! :blowkiss:

I'll agree with your theories about the phone calls, but what I had in mind was more like what he told or was going to tell LE as the reason why he repeatedly called them. Like has been said so many times, he wasn't that far away and if he was that worried, why not just go back home. Or better yet, if he believed the threats would be fulfilled why leave home in the first place and leave his family vulnerable? MOO
 
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