Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[SuziQ]

Thanks to the poster who posted the docs.

See what I mean about needing to read the originals? The press leaves out much.

O/T Phil Spector received 19 years to life.

 

[milopedes]

This may have already been discussed, but I am wondering how telling the painted messages on the wall were?

Could the philandering CC been suspicious of his own wife cheating? Or was he merely keeping tabs on her because he was ultra-controlling?

Were the kids part of his original plan? All the messages seem directed at SC, and someone mentioned earlier that rigor mortis was only noted in the wife and not the kids.

 

[SuziQ]

I've been thinking about the loan docs not having a notary stamp. I'm wondering if those haven't been posted online to protect the notary's identity?

 

[impatientredhead]

I see your point and I somewhat agree with what you wrote. Would CC have committed this crime had he merely been miserable as a husband and father, without someone else waiting for him? It is impossible to say at this juncture. I personally think the fact he had MM waiting on him, and his strong desire to fill whatever "hole" or "void" he felt in his life, placed a bit of urgency into this for him.

So, I don't think you can say she didn't truly have anything to do with this. She may not have helped plan it, and she may not have wanted it to happen, but ultimately - much like JMM being connected in a minute way - she is linked to this crime.

She is definitely linked, no question about that. I don't feel for her for the guilt she should feel, for the fear she most likely feels, for her life being thrown out there for inspection. She made choices and she will live the ramifications of them.

I am just not willing to go to the "if it wasn't for her he wouldn't have done it".

The pdf says they started the affair in November. The letters begin in January? Is that correct or did they predate that? Seems to me that he already had a plan in mind and possibly pursued a relationship with another woman because in his mind he had already resolved the marriage issue. He just hadn't killed her yet but was ready to start his new single life.

 

[KALI]

"He discussed the interview he had with the investigators concerning the death of his family. He told her, he did not commit the murders and had an alibi," an affidavit states.

Lintz contacted authorities after getting the email, the documents state.

In the end, this whole thing disgusts me to no end.

Where do these types of people come from? CC is a on so many levels. First, to cheat on his wife. Second, to murder his wife rather than simply divorce her. And worst of all in my mind, he had to kill his two children!?! And this woman, who was supposedly a family friend and friend of SC, what is her problem? Someone else pointed it out - she didn't come forward, the police found her!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I understand that point of view, I do.
I just don't personally think it truly had anything to do with *her*.
I don't believe he really planned to marry her. He is a liar and a manipulator, that is what she wanted to hear. That he loved her and that they would be together. He was getting something from her, sex, ego stroking, whatever it was.

And to me if it wasn't from *her*, it would have just been someone or something else. I don't personally believe a man becomes a family butchering lunatic because of an affair. That train was already in motion because Chris didn't want his wife and kids. He didn't want them before the affair, he didn't want them during it, and if the mistress got hit by a bus he still wouldn't have wanted them or had the cajones to deal with his life and his choices.

A normal man wouldn't murder his family over an affair. Chris is not normal. He is a cold blooded killer who plotted to take out his entire family without so much as a pang of guilt for at least 5 months. I would have to assume he began fantasizing about it before he set the plan into motion. This would probably coincide with hooking up with his mistress.

Yes, I agree he was getting his ego stroked among other things with Lintz. I agree he is a liar and manipulator. He is very self-serving and it appears he is turning out to be quite the Sociopath. Since he would not have real emotions in the relationships with either women, he would turn this into his wants, desires, and needs. He wanted the "not a stripper but so dayum close" because she fulfilled a sexual fantasy for him. IMO, Chris probably equates sex with love. I believe he did intend on marrying Lintz only because of his desire to prevent her from being with anyone else. He is selfish. He could not start his new, exciting, and sexually charged marriage with children or an exwife to hinder him. One motive for murder. Then we move onto the money...Chris doesn't share. It is all about him and what is HIS.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I don't know IL law, but here an uncontested divorce with children takes at least 6 months and requires both parents take parenting classes during that time. A contested divorce with children can drag out for years.

There is no indication at all either one filed for a divorce. I have a feeling the June 14th date was the 6 month mark he made up from when he claimed to have filed.

I agree.IMO he had no intention of divorcing because he would lose his 100k a year position with JMM.Lets face it that salary is probably why TL wanted him in the first place.

 

[milopedes]

She is definitely linked, no question about that. I don't feel for her for the guilt she should feel, for the fear she most likely feels, for her life being thrown out there for inspection. She made choices and she will live the ramifications of them.

I am just not willing to go to the "if it wasn't for her he wouldn't have done it".

The pdf says they started the affair in November. The letters begin in January? Is that correct or did they predate that? Seems to me that he already had a plan in mind and possibly pursued a relationship with another woman because in his mind he had already resolved the marriage issue. He just hadn't killed her yet but was ready to start his new single life.

See, that's exactly why I think you can say "if it wasn't for her . . .". Are you telling me that he was miserable and planning this for years, but never acted on it? I think she was the catayst. The affair starts in November, and by December, he has it all mapped out in his head. I think the presence of MM had a lot to do with it. Otherwise, he would have done it already.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I've been thinking about the loan docs not having a notary stamp. I'm wondering if those haven't been posted online to protect the notary's identity?

This is what I have surmised, Suzi. She will be a witness in both trials.

 

[mikeysmommom]

A normal man wouldn't murder his family over an affair. Chris is not normal. He is a cold blooded killer who plotted to take out his entire family without so much as a pang of guilt for at least 5 months. I would have to assume he began fantasizing about it before he set the plan into motion. This would probably coincide with hooking up with his mistress.

Yes, I agree he was getting his ego stroked among other things with Lintz. I agree he is a liar and manipulator. He is very self-serving and it appears he is turning out to be quite the Sociopath. Since he would not have real emotions in the relationships with either women, he would turn this into his wants, desires, and needs. He wanted the "not a stripper but so dayum close" because she fulfilled a sexual fantasy for him. IMO, Chris probably equates sex with love. I believe he did intend on marrying Lintz only because of his desire to prevent her from being with anyone else. He is selfish. He could not start his new, exciting, and sexually charged marriage with children or an exwife to hinder him. One motive for murder. Then we move onto the money...Chris doesn't share. It is all about him and what is HIS.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Texas Mist]

"He discussed the interview he had with the investigators concerning the death of his family. He told her, he did not commit the murders and had an alibi," an affidavit states.

Lintz contacted authorities after getting the email, the documents state.

this was after LE had already spoken with her...and CC contacted her using a *new* yahoo email account.

wonder why he had to be so sneaky & use a diff account?

ETA -- the PDFs explain it better than the online article, IMO

 

[FWNana]

Thanks FWNana.

I've thought about this some more & depending on the Dish DVR, it's possible he could have copied some surveillance files (or whatever) there but doubtful that he could have used it as part of his surveillance system...I mean, why would he when the one that would have been in the box was a 4-channel network DVR, right?

True. I'm just curious where he placed the other 2 cameras, if at all.

It's actually fairly sophisticated feature-wise for the price (if indeed he was using the one in the empty box) & could also be built on a Linux/Unix engine with an embedded web server (much like network switches, routers, etc) to support remote connection via any web browser (including one on a Blackberry!)...the Windows setup software could just be because this was for 'Personal' protection (home use) and makes it easy for security neophytes.

The more I read up on it, the more I thought about buying one...my b/f had mentioned a couple weeks ago that he wanted to install surveillance cameras (long story about why) at home.

I'm going to have to go back to the SW and read the description before I can even comment on this. Really don't know how I could have overlooked it. Could it be because I haven't slept in 32 hours?

If I do, I'll let y'all know how it works out. LOL

Please do! I always need to know what the competition is offerring. LOL! Seriously, in general, the type of surveillance DVRs sold for residential properties are very seldom my competitors. We cater to LE, border patrol, casino's, universities, etc. that require CMS. But I am always interested in checking out the features so I can stay competitive.

 

[Stella5]

"He discussed the interview he had with the investigators concerning the death of his family. He told her, he did not commit the murders and had an alibi," an affidavit states.

Lintz contacted authorities after getting the email, the documents state.

She contacted LE only after they conducted 2 interviews with her and probably subtely informed her she was being investigated as an accessory. At that point of course shes going to tell her everytime he calls, email, writes, texts, sends smoke signals, carrier pigeons, etc... She's in CYA mode big time. I doubt she knew he was planning to kill his entire family. But after she knew about the murders she did not contact LE, they found her.

 

[AfterSunset]

sorry I'm behind reading today but just saw where CC started seeing TL in November 2008. is that correct?
If so then I am seriously looking for something to clue me into the purchase of the red spray paint in July 2008. I guess I'm curious now expecially in light of hearing the affair was so recently started.

sorry if this has already been discussed...back to reading now...TIA

 

[Texas Mist]

Please do! I always need to know what the competition is offerring. LOL! Seriously, in general, the type of surveillance DVRs sold for residential properties are very seldom my competitors. We cater to LE, border patrol, casino's, universities, etc. that require CMS. But I am always interested in checking out the features so I can stay competitive.

here's a link to what was noted in the SW re: empty box

http://www.supercircuits.com/Recorders/DVQ2-U

 

[gitana1]

I disagree. It seems fairly evident that Miss Motive was a catalyst for Chris to rid himself of his family ties. While she may not have been involved in the crime or the cover up, I think we are seeing she was motive for him. He made plans to marry her. He gave her a timeline for his freedom. He also began putting his plan to murder his family into action two months into the relationship.

Would he have done this without Lintz? I don't necessarily think he would have taken the risk without the motive of a new life with her. This centers around Lintz and the affair. It isn't a coincidence, imo.

I agree with you, but, this guy is a killer. He had it in him to ruthlessly wipe out his wife and children. So, I think if it wasn't TL, it would have been someone or something else eventually. He was a snake waiting to strike. His affair with this person prompted these murders but I have no doubt that if she wasn't in the picture, it would eventually have been another woman or situation. Like SP, he really didn't want to be married or have children and like SP, he is a sociopath so murder rather than divorce was always an option for chris.

 

[FWNana]

OK, I lied -- I haven't left yet. You guys just keep on posting things that catch my attention and being a big mouth, I can't pull myself away. :crazy:

I agree with both of you.I did not think a divorce with children could be worked out that quickly either.It is very interesting that CC dad was the one to tell police about Tara.I will never give her credit IMO if she would have verified the supposed divorce with Sheri both would have known CC was a lying and just maybe Sheri and her 2 beautiful sons would have gotten away from that alive.I personally hope Sheri,Garette,and Gavin death haunt her forever.

What caught my attention was the earlier comment that RC mentioned TL. What did he know? When did he know it? Was CC also telling his parents he and SC were getting a divorce?

 

[waterlooinspector]

dunno either....and June 14th is a Sunday.

CC's & Sheri's wedding anniversary would have been in August so looks like he was planning to end 'something' before that significant date rolled around - again.

Maybe someone else here can help.

ETA: I looked at the docs & CC didn't call MM until that evening - not the a.m. as was rumored

ETA2 -- or not?? help - I'm confused now.

Fathers Day????....geez, what a sick, sick man....

 

[gitana1]

I understand that point of view, I do.
I just don't personally think it truly had anything to do with *her*.
I don't believe he really planned to marry her. He is a liar and a manipulator, that is what she wanted to hear. That he loved her and that they would be together. He was getting something from her, sex, ego stroking, whatever it was.

And to me if it wasn't from *her*, it would have just been someone or something else. I don't personally believe a man becomes a family butchering lunatic because of an affair. That train was already in motion because Chris didn't want his wife and kids. He didn't want them before the affair, he didn't want them during it, and if the mistress got hit by a bus he still wouldn't have wanted them or had the cajones to deal with his life and his choices.

I posted mine before reading yours. I think we are on the same wavelength here. I agree with you. This guy was a ticking time bomb.

 

[FWNana]

This may have already been discussed, but I am wondering how telling the painted messages on the wall were?

Could the philandering CC been suspicious of his own wife cheating? Or was he merely keeping tabs on her because he was ultra-controlling?

Were the kids part of his original plan? All the messages seem directed at SC, and someone mentioned earlier that rigor mortis was only noted in the wife and not the kids.

I may be wrong, but I thought someone on NG stated last night (or the night before) that one of the boys had some rigor mortis on his face. Can anyone clear that up for me?