SIDEBAR #27- Arias/Alexander forum

[janx]

This is speculation, but I find myself wondering if the people at Estrella, in particular the sheriff, are completely sick and tired of the convicted murderer and the special attention she receives because of her notoriety. They didn't want to give her any rights not afforded to any other convicted murderer trying to represent him/herself, but in doing that, they wound up with the convicted murderer's getting an even longer stay at the jail! No doubt they are banging their collective heads against a wall somewhere.

 

[RR0004]

MC Superior Court ‏@courtpio 47s

Judge Sherry Stephens granted the motion to continue #JodiArias trial. Jury selection begins on 9/29/2014. Next hearing is 9/4/2014 at 8:30.

I don't know how much more JS I'll be able to bear. Six years it's taken for Travis and his family to receive justice. SIX YEARS!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Well good grief. I am depressed. This phase will never start and likely never end. JSS isn't a person who keeps her word. And before you jump on me for saying that, be clear that's my own opinion. At this point, I won't believe another word that comes from her mouth. Sad. A judge!

:seeya: I totally agree, CII !


BBM: And may I add: I NEVER liked her ...

:moo: :moo: and :moo:

 

[YESorNO]

"PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona judge on Wednesday granted Jodi Arias' motion to delay the start of her planned Sept. 8 penalty phase retrial.

Arias briefly addressed the judge Wednesday morning before the courtroom was closed to the media and public. The judge then granted Arias' request, setting a new retrial date for Sept. 29.

Defense lawyers and prosecutors declined comment.

Arias, who is now serving as her own attorney, argued that she needed more time to interview an expert witness she plans to call during the retrial..."

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-delays-...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[AZlawyer]

A short minute entry was just posted explaining that the hearing on Friday was moved to today because the witness (presumably the expert witness who appeared by phone) was unavailable on Friday.

ETA: Still waiting for the more important minute entry.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

This is not looking like a good day. I wonder what Juan Martinez thinks of this delay.

:seeya: Hi Tuba,

Agree ... not a good day and definitely NOT a good day for Travis and his Family


But on the other hand, Mr. Martinez is a tough one, and no doubt he is tired of the B . . . S . . . from JA !

But JM will hang in there !

:juanettes: :juanettes:

 

[Kensie]

:seeya: Hi Tuba,

Agree ... not a good day and definitely NOT a good day for Travis and his Family


But on the other hand, Mr. Martinez is a tough one, and no doubt he is tired of the B . . . S . . . from JA !

But JM will hang in there !

:juanettes: :juanettes:

Is there anyone that is not sick of the JA B.....S stunts? LOL!

 

[YESorNO]

A short minute entry was just posted explaining that the hearing on Friday was moved to today because the witness (presumably the expert witness who appeared by phone) was unavailable on Friday.

ETA: Still waiting for the more important minute entry.

Michael K. Jeanes, Clerk of Court
*** Electronically Filed ***
08/20/2014 8:00 AM
MINUTE ENTRY
Courtroom SCT-5C

08/19/2014

MINUTE ENTRY

Courtroom SCT-5C
Based on request by Defense because their witness is not available,
IT IS ORDERED vacating Evidentiary Hearing on 8/22/14 and resetting same on 8/20/14
at 8:30 a.m. in this division.


http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082014/m6444718.pdf

 

[RR0004]

"PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona judge on Wednesday granted Jodi Arias' motion to delay the start of her planned Sept. 8 penalty phase retrial.

Arias briefly addressed the judge Wednesday morning before the courtroom was closed to the media and public. The judge then granted Arias' request, setting a new retrial date for Sept. 29.

Defense lawyers and prosecutors declined comment.

Arias, who is now serving as her own attorney, argued that she needed more time to interview an expert witness she plans to call during the retrial..."

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-delays-...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Though I understand that legally it's her "right" to have more time to interview a witness, but FPS...she had 2 weeks before jury selection...and we all know how long she'll drag that out. I find it really hard to fathom she needs weeks upon weeks to interview an expert!!! My goodness, she is making such a mockery of our legal system.

 

[Bernina]

Am really glad I stopped watching Autumn the other day.
With 2 breach births with horses in my lifetime, I wouldn't have been able to watch.
Anytime you have "hooves up", you get a vet ASAP. That means it's coming out backwards. The largest area to pass the birth canal is the shoulders. When the baby is backwards, the contractions put pressure on the rib cage and the lungs, trying to pass the shoulder..........this causes the baby to suck amniotic fluid in and out of their lungs as the contractions start and stop, the birth sac acts like plastic wrap on it's nose and mouth. The baby basically suffocates.
In a normal hooves down, head between forelegs, the pressure from the contractions is on the upper legs and the neck/airway is protected by the bones from the forelegs and back of the neck. Once the shoulders pass, the baby just slips out.
Hooves up can also cause bruising hemorrhaging and/or tearing of the uterus and birth canal.
If the baby dies inside the mother, it starts the process of decomp. Bacteria from that passes through the umbilical cord into the mother's uterus and bloodstream. She may get peritonitis and septicemia. She might also become barren.

When I was last watching Autumn and posting, I saw movement on either side of her tail............this doesn't happen when the hooves are down and forward. That's when I had to turn it off. I don't know why the attendants didn't catch that. When the hooves presented, I don't know why they didn't have a vet there immediately to sedate and assist. Maybe they just allow nature to take it's course?

I hope they give her plenty of time to recover.

Now I'm debating on whether to get an ultra sound on this mare to see if everything's going the way it should. :gaah:

 

[grammieto5]

Well, are we really surprised this judge gave this criminal what she wanted. I believe there will be more delays, regardless of what this judge says. Criminals get all the justice, victims get nothing. Well it is called Criminal Justice system.

 

[YESorNO]

Is there anyone that is not sick of the JA B.....S stunts? LOL!

Her misguided supporters are cheering her on

I got this from Twitter:

 

[AZlawyer]

Though I understand that legally it's her "right" to have more time to interview a witness, but FPS...she had 2 weeks before jury selection...and we all know how long she'll drag that out. I find it really hard to fathom she needs weeks upon weeks to interview an expert!!! My goodness, she is making such a mockery of our legal system.

Based on her motion, it sounds like it's not a matter of her needing to interview the expert, but of the expert needing to evaluate her. If this is any kind of mental health evaluation, it will require a face-to-face meeting. I think it's the expert's schedule, not hers, that is causing the delay, together with the jail's apparent reluctance to follow whatever procedure was devised to keep the expert's identity under wraps.

 

[YESorNO]

Am really glad I stopped watching Autumn the other day.
With 2 breach births with horses in my lifetime, I wouldn't have been able to watch.
Anytime you have "hooves up", you get a vet ASAP. That means it's coming out backwards. The largest area to pass the birth canal is the shoulders. When the baby is backwards, the contractions put pressure on the rib cage and the lungs, trying to pass the shoulder..........this causes the baby to suck amniotic fluid in and out of their lungs as the contractions start and stop, the birth sac acts like plastic wrap on it's nose and mouth. The baby basically suffocates.
In a normal hooves down, head between forelegs, the pressure from the contractions is on the upper legs and the neck/airway is protected by the bones from the forelegs and back of the neck. Once the shoulders pass, the baby just slips out.
Hooves up can also cause bruising hemorrhaging and/or tearing of the uterus and birth canal.
If the baby dies inside the mother, it starts the process of decomp. Bacteria from that passes through the umbilical cord into the mother's uterus and bloodstream. She may get peritonitis and septicemia. She might also become barren.

When I was last watching Autumn and posting, I saw movement on either side of her tail............this doesn't happen when the hooves are down and forward. That's when I had to turn it off. I don't know why the attendants didn't catch that. When the hooves presented, I don't know why they didn't have a vet there immediately to sedate and assist. Maybe they just allow nature to take it's course?

I hope they give her plenty of time to recover.

Now I'm debating on whether to get an ultra sound on this mare to see if everything's going the way it should. :gaah:

:therethere:

 

[RR0004]

Am really glad I stopped watching Autumn the other day.
With 2 breach births with horses in my lifetime, I wouldn't have been able to watch.
Anytime you have "hooves up", you get a vet ASAP. That means it's coming out backwards. The largest area to pass the birth canal is the shoulders. When the baby is backwards, the contractions put pressure on the rib cage and the lungs, trying to pass the shoulder..........this causes the baby to suck amniotic fluid in and out of their lungs as the contractions start and stop, the birth sac acts like plastic wrap on it's nose and mouth. The baby basically suffocates.
In a normal hooves down, head between forelegs, the pressure from the contractions is on the upper legs and the neck/airway is protected by the bones from the forelegs and back of the neck. Once the shoulders pass, the baby just slips out.
Hooves up can also cause bruising hemorrhaging and/or tearing of the uterus and birth canal.
If the baby dies inside the mother, it starts the process of decomp. Bacteria from that passes through the umbilical cord into the mother's uterus and bloodstream. She may get peritonitis and septicemia. She might also become barren.

When I was last watching Autumn and posting, I saw movement on either side of her tail............this doesn't happen when the hooves are down and forward. That's when I had to turn it off. I don't know why the attendants didn't catch that. When the hooves presented, I don't know why they didn't have a vet there immediately to sedate and assist. Maybe they just allow nature to take it's course?

I hope they give her plenty of time to recover.

Now I'm debating on whether to get an ultra sound on this mare to see if everything's going the way it should. :gaah:

Sorry to state the obvious...but this has been a G-d awful day on this thread. Life just isn't fair. It kinda s*cks right about now.

 

[RR0004]

Based on her motion, it sounds like it's not a matter of her needing to interview the expert, but of the expert needing to evaluate her. If this is any kind of mental health evaluation, it will require a face-to-face meeting. I think it's the expert's schedule, not hers, that is causing the delay, together with the jail's apparent reluctance to follow whatever procedure was devised to keep the expert's identity under wraps.

Thanks, I was just going to search for the motion 'cause none of this was making any sense. But, heck...just what we need- another expert!!

 

[Spellbound]

She received her delay- from 9/8 to 9/29 for jury selection.

Bummer :jail::stormingmad:

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http://www.greenvilleonline.com/sto...ivers-stillborn-calf-greenville-zoo/14326531/

An update on last night's stillbirth.
More information will be released at a news conference to be held at 3 p.m. today by the giraffe exhibit.
I'm pretty sure that is EST TIME (It is 2:38 here now, so about 20 minutes until the news conference-- don't know if I can find a link to it)

 

[LinTX]

Not shocked at the decision, but hoping JSS cleared up what is required in future for both JA and MCSO. One good thing (trying to be optimistic) is that JM might be able to better concentrate on his strategy with a little more breathing room between trials?
Now, I wonder what happened to that "D.R." witness that Nurmi was trying to allow to be deposed instead of testify. Wasn't that what was to be settled in today's hearing, and this expert/delay on Friday? Maybe that was Nurmi's idea and since JA is in charge, the issue was dropped?

 

[Spellbound]

Am really glad I stopped watching Autumn the other day.
With 2 breach births with horses in my lifetime, I wouldn't have been able to watch.
Anytime you have "hooves up", you get a vet ASAP. That means it's coming out backwards. The largest area to pass the birth canal is the shoulders. When the baby is backwards, the contractions put pressure on the rib cage and the lungs, trying to pass the shoulder..........this causes the baby to suck amniotic fluid in and out of their lungs as the contractions start and stop, the birth sac acts like plastic wrap on it's nose and mouth. The baby basically suffocates.
In a normal hooves down, head between forelegs, the pressure from the contractions is on the upper legs and the neck/airway is protected by the bones from the forelegs and back of the neck. Once the shoulders pass, the baby just slips out.
Hooves up can also cause bruising hemorrhaging and/or tearing of the uterus and birth canal.
If the baby dies inside the mother, it starts the process of decomp. Bacteria from that passes through the umbilical cord into the mother's uterus and bloodstream. She may get peritonitis and septicemia. She might also become barren.

When I was last watching Autumn and posting, I saw movement on either side of her tail............this doesn't happen when the hooves are down and forward. That's when I had to turn it off. I don't know why the attendants didn't catch that. When the hooves presented, I don't know why they didn't have a vet there immediately to sedate and assist. Maybe they just allow nature to take it's course?

I hope they give her plenty of time to recover.

Now I'm debating on whether to get an ultra sound on this mare to see if everything's going the way it should. :gaah:

Thank you for this, Bernina. This is what came from my previous link on an update:

Jeff Bullock, the Greenville Zoo's director, said he knew something was wrong when Autumn's calf started coming out backwards.

Bullock and general curator Keith Gilchrist arrived at the zoo soon after Autumn, an 8-year-old Masai giraffe, went into labor at about 2:30 a.m. Wednesday.

"There were issues," Bullock said. "It was nothing like (her first calf) Kiko."

Most giraffes are born head first, but the male Autumn was carrying was delivered upside down in what's known as the breech position.

Whether that had anything to do with his death won't be known until the post mortem exam is completed later today, Bullock said, and zoo officials obtain footage from the Earthcam video stream, which captured much of the delivery.

He said stillborn giraffes aren't common, occurring about as often as human stillbirths.

Keepers are for now focusing on Autumn, taking her off exhibit in order to keep a close eye on her during the afterbirth, he said.

All signs seemed to show that the pregnancy was going fine, Bullock said. More information will be released at a news conference to be held at 3 p.m. today by the giraffe exhibit.

"We're trying to answer as many of the community's questions as we can because a lot of people were following her," Bullock said.

Online viewers had been tuning into the zoo's live stream all this month, hoping to catch sight of the birth that was expected at any time.

The expected calf's sibling, Kiko, had a live online audience of more than 200,000 for his arrival in October 2012.

Staff writer Amy Clarke Burns contributed to this report

Sorry to state he obvious...but this has been a G-d awful day on this thread. Life just isn't fair. It kinda s*cks right about now.

yes, too much disappointment.

On a better note" hubby & I are going away for a few days Th-Sat. (Dayton area )-- I will pop in if we have internet available.

 

[LambChop]

Thanks, I was just going to search for the motion 'cause none of this was making any sense. But, heck...just what we need- another expert!!

Don't forget, too, that JM would have to have a review of whatever report this expert would submit. That could take a few days. jmo