SIDEBAR #9- Arias/Alexander forum

[Tenaciousdae]

BBM

I'm not really following you here -- I can follow what you're saying, but I'm wondering if you could clarify that. Thanks in advance.

Who's rob?

 

[janx]

Having read above that NG again played that sex tape I just sent an email asking her to stop. I told her that I felt she was the one victimizing Travis and his family by playing that, and as long as she continued to abuse Travis I would not watch her show.

I doubt it will make her stop, but I feel better having sent that.

I actually saw that tonight, and I never watch HLN. It was very graphic (with subtitles!).

But you must remember: HLN must, must sell the pocket hose!! :floorlaugh:

ETA: I have not seen the ad for the pocket hose, but since I'm watching online I get to skip the ads.

 

[lil_buddy]

in my attempts over the course of this past week to thoroughly digest and accept this non-verdict i believe that i have at least come to an understanding of what *could possibly* be why it happened..whereas before i could not at all even begin to fathom the how or why.. I am at least to a place of just accepting it for what it is and there for attempt to have some understanding of it in my moving on from it..

I think for me the first time that it really began to come into focus was in reading one of our fellow members, rob's post regarding the dynamics between his parents as it played out over the course of this trial..it really was a lightbulb moment for me in understanding the mindset of some people of this particular generation that rob's parents are in.. I believe his father's adamant beliefs wrt jodi and the scenario he has firm in his mind are *possibly* similar to some of the jurors in what they may believe were the dynamics that led to the heinous murder.. Just as rob said his father was adamant that no young woman would ever favor or be the one to intiate the particular type of sex that jodi and travis regularly engaged in(ie. Anal)..in this mindset it immediately places jodi in the role of at the very least being persuaded into sexual activities that she did not want or enjoy..and at most being somewhat forced, if even by manipulation on travis' part to have engaged in such sexual intercourse..

Imo just having this particular mindset truly makes all the difference in the world when applying it to this case..it immediately places jodi in the role of the victim of manipulation and places travis in the role of the aggressive manipulator..this dynamic of just the aspect of their sexual relationship truly alters the entire dynamic of the roles of the two in every other aspect of this case.. This belief immediately places jodi in a sympathetic position even regardless of the heinous brutal slaughter, if the belief is that she was a manipulated victim in the time leading up to the heinous murder it does indeed imo give great weight to that as a mitigating factor in the penalty phase in deciding her life or death..

What i mean is that in speaking of having this mindset one could still clearly see this heinous murder as a first degree premeditated murder...they could also still be able to clearly see and there for decide that yes, that premeditated murder was proven to have met the aggravating factor of having been extremely or especially cruel..and yet in their firmly believing those two issues were proven they could find that the belief in their mind that jodi was a passive victim in travis at the very least having aggressively manipulated her into anal sex in the time leading up to the murder..imo that belief could in fact be a strong enough factor in their opinion to spare her life in the penalty phase..

Imo just having that particular mindset about that one particular aspect is of huge importance in it not only just reversing the roles of each of them and thus placing jodi in a sympathetic light..but imo most importantly it also gives an answer to that very question that so very many desperately want and need the answer to...why?..

In having this particular mindset is also possibly in their mind gives them an answer to what could be the why this young woman committed this premeditated heinous murder of this young man..and imo that question answered in their minds for them could actually only seem to solidify it as being true..the thoughts relayed of the foreman again says it all as well in his saying that his belief is that there was something that happened that led to jodi feeling she had no choice but to murder this young man.. In his mind he believes that there is an action or behavior wrt travis that is unknown to him that gives reason to this why.. There for in simply applying the mindset that rob describes as that of his father's in adamant belief that no young woman would ever be initiating anal sex...thus leading to travis being the initiator and manipulator in order for her to participate in anal sex..thus reversing the roles in putting travis as the aggressive manipulator and jodi as the passive victim..and in their looking at that dynamic as being what were the roles between the two in leading up to the heinous murder..this thereby could possibly be seen as the logical explanation of answering the all important question in their minds of what did he do to her that made her feel forced to have to heinously murder him.

In their minds it could possibly as easy as 1, 2, 3 in its order of how this murder came to be..it coincides with what is their mindset of a young woman never wanting or proposing anal sex..it coincides with what they visually see as the young female before them that does not "look" like a monster killer like manson or dahmer..it coincides with their putting this innocent looking girl in the role of the passive victim with her being aggressively manipulated at the very least, and quite possibly even being seen or intpretated as being the victim of actual verbal, emotional/mental, or even physical abuse at the hands of the true "victim", travis...and therefor this logical 1, 2, 3 thought process could possibly lead them to the all important answer for which they so desperately seek as to why?... Why did she do it?.. This thought process could lead them to the logical conclusion in their mind that it was due to her having been the victim of this man..and that it was the abuse that eventually led to the young woman "snapping" and committing this heinous murder against her "abuser"...

Imo i truly believe that it is honestly possible in having this particular mindset that rob so perfectly described as was his father's regarding just the specific aspect of travis and jodi's sexual relationship..and it is that mindset alone that could very much lead to their finding her guilty of the first degree premeditated murder, even finding it to have been proven especially cruel..yet with this particular mindset find that it was not deserving of the penalty of death due to their seeing the dynamic they believe was at play between the two leading up to the murder is a mitigating factor whose amount of weight was substantial enough to spare her life from being given the death penalty..

Anyhoo as usual i'm uncertain if i was able to adequately relay the thoughts from my mind to words typed in and seen on the screen sufficiently enough to understand..lol..but i do believe that this particular mindset of some jurors could have possibly lead to our seeing the first two phases agreed upon unanimously in her being guilty of the first degree premeditated, especially cruel murder..yet believe there are indeed factors that would allow for her life to be spared from being sentenced to the penalty of death...

All jmo, tho..and thanks to fellow ws member, *rob* for sharing the dynamics of his parents regarding this case as it truly was the lightbulb moment for me personally in attempting to understand possibly how this non-verdict came to be..

yes!!!!
Totally!!!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

In my attempts over the course of this past week to thoroughly digest and accept this non-verdict I believe that I have at least come to an understanding of what *could possibly* be why it happened..whereas before I could not at all even begin to fathom the how or why.. I am at least to a place of just accepting it for what it is and there for attempt to have some understanding of it in my moving on from it..

I think for me the first time that it really began to come into focus was in reading one of our fellow members, Rob's post regarding the dynamics between his parents as it played out over the course of this trial..It really was a lightbulb moment for me in understanding the mindset of some people of this particular generation that Rob's parents are in.. I believe his father's adamant beliefs wrt Jodi and the scenario he has firm in his mind are *possibly* similar to some of the jurors in what they may believe were the dynamics that led to the heinous murder.. Just as rob said his father was adamant that no young woman would ever favor or be the one to intiate the particular type of sex that Jodi and Travis regularly engaged in(ie. Anal)..in this mindset it immediately places Jodi in the role of at the very least being persuaded into sexual activities that she did not want or enjoy..and at most being somewhat forced, if even by manipulation on Travis' part to have engaged in such sexual intercourse..

IMO just having this particular mindset truly makes all the difference in the world when applying it to this case..it immediately places Jodi in the role of the victim of manipulation and places Travis in the role of the aggressive manipulator..this dynamic of just the aspect of their sexual relationship truly alters the entire dynamic of the roles of the two in every other aspect of this case.. This belief immediately places Jodi in a sympathetic position even regardless of the heinous brutal slaughter, if the belief is that she was a manipulated victim in the time leading up to the heinous murder it does indeed IMO give great weight to that as a mitigating factor in the penalty phase in deciding her life or death..

What I mean is that in speaking of having this mindset one could still clearly see this heinous murder as a first degree premeditated murder...they could also still be able to clearly see and there for decide that yes, that premeditated murder was proven to have met the aggravating factor of having been extremely or especially cruel..and yet in their firmly believing those two issues were proven they could find that the belief in their mind that Jodi was a passive victim in Travis at the very least having aggressively manipulated her into anal sex in the time leading up to the murder..IMO that belief could in fact be a strong enough factor in their opinion to spare her life in the penalty phase..

IMO just having that particular mindset about that one particular aspect is of huge importance in it not only just reversing the roles of each of them and thus placing Jodi in a sympathetic light..but IMO most importantly it ALSO gives an answer to that very question that so very many desperately want and need the answer to...why?..

In having this particular mindset is also POSSIBLY in their mind gives them an answer to WHAT COULD BE THE WHY this young woman committed this premeditated heinous murder of this young man..and IMO that question answered in their minds for them could actually only seem to solidify it as being true..the thoughts relayed of the foreman again says it all as well in his saying that his belief is that there was something that happened that led to Jodi feeling she had no choice but to murder this young man.. In his mind he believes that there is an action or behavior wrt Travis that is UNKNOWN TO HIM that gives reason to this WHY.. there for in simply applying the mindset that rob describes as that of his father's in adamant belief that no young woman would ever be initiating anal sex...thus leading to Travis being the initiator and manipulator in order for her to participate in anal sex..thus reversing the roles in putting Travis as the aggressive manipulator and Jodi as the passive victim..and in their looking at that dynamic as being what were the roles between the two in leading up to the heinous murder..this thereby could possibly be seen as the logical explanation of answering the all important question in their minds of what did he do to her that made her feel forced to have to heinously murder him.

In their minds it could possibly as easy as 1, 2, 3 in its order of how this murder came to be..it coincides with what is their mindset of a young woman never wanting or proposing anal sex..it coincides with what they visually see as the young female before them that does not "LOOK" like A monster killer like Manson or Dahmer..it coincides with their putting this innocent looking girl in the role of the passive victim with her being aggressively manipulated at the VERY least, and quite possibly even being seen or intpretated as being the victim of actual verbal, emotional/mental, or even physical abuse at the hands of the true "victim", Travis...and therefor this logical 1, 2, 3 thought process could possibly lead them to the all important answer for which they so desperately seek as to why?... Why did she do it?.. This thought process could lead them to the logical conclusion in their mind that it was due to her having been the victim of this man..and that it was the abuse that eventually led to the young woman "snapping" and committing this heinous murder against her "abuser"...

IMO I truly believe that it is honestly possible in having this particular mindset that rob so perfectly described as was his father's regarding just the specific aspect of Travis and Jodi's sexual relationship..and it is that mindset alone that could very much lead to their finding her guilty of the first degree premeditated murder, even finding it to have been proven especially cruel..yet with this particular mindset find that it was not deserving of the penalty of DEATH due to their seeing the dynamic they believe was at play between the two leading up to the murder is a mitigating factor whose amount of weight was substantial enough to spare her life from being given the death penalty..

Anyhoo as usual I'm uncertain if I was able to adequately relay the thoughts from my mind to words typed in and seen on the screen sufficiently enough to understand..lol..but I do believe that this particular mindset of some jurors could have possibly lead to our seeing the first two phases agreed upon unanimously in her being guilty of the first degree premeditated, especially cruel murder..yet believe there are indeed factors that would allow for her life to be spared from being sentenced to the penalty of death...

All Jmo, tho..and thanks to fellow WS member, *rob* for sharing the dynamics of his parents regarding this case as it truly was the lightbulb moment for me personally in attempting to understand possibly how this non-verdict came to be..

May I ask who 'rob' is and what he said? Oh ETA it's ok .. that Jodi was not so keen on some of the 'festivities' ..

 

[scorekeeper]

In my attempts over the course of this past week to thoroughly digest and accept this non-verdict I believe that I have at least come to an understanding of what *could possibly* be why it happened..whereas before I could not at all even begin to fathom the how or why.. I am at least to a place of just accepting it for what it is and there for attempt to have some understanding of it in my moving on from it..

I think for me the first time that it really began to come into focus was in reading one of our fellow members, Rob's post regarding the dynamics between his parents as it played out over the course of this trial..It really was a lightbulb moment for me in understanding the mindset of some people of this particular generation that Rob's parents are in.. I believe his father's adamant beliefs wrt Jodi and the scenario he has firm in his mind are *possibly* similar to some of the jurors in what they may believe were the dynamics that led to the heinous murder.. Just as rob said his father was adamant that no young woman would ever favor or be the one to intiate the particular type of sex that Jodi and Travis regularly engaged in(ie. Anal)..in this mindset it immediately places Jodi in the role of at the very least being persuaded into sexual activities that she did not want or enjoy..and at most being somewhat forced, if even by manipulation on Travis' part to have engaged in such sexual intercourse..

IMO just having this particular mindset truly makes all the difference in the world when applying it to this case..it immediately places Jodi in the role of the victim of manipulation and places Travis in the role of the aggressive manipulator..this dynamic of just the aspect of their sexual relationship truly alters the entire dynamic of the roles of the two in every other aspect of this case.. This belief immediately places Jodi in a sympathetic position even regardless of the heinous brutal slaughter, if the belief is that she was a manipulated victim in the time leading up to the heinous murder it does indeed IMO give great weight to that as a mitigating factor in the penalty phase in deciding her life or death..

What I mean is that in speaking of having this mindset one could still clearly see this heinous murder as a first degree premeditated murder...they could also still be able to clearly see and there for decide that yes, that premeditated murder was proven to have met the aggravating factor of having been extremely or especially cruel..and yet in their firmly believing those two issues were proven they could find that the belief in their mind that Jodi was a passive victim in Travis at the very least having aggressively manipulated her into anal sex in the time leading up to the murder..IMO that belief could in fact be a strong enough factor in their opinion to spare her life in the penalty phase..

IMO just having that particular mindset about that one particular aspect is of huge importance in it not only just reversing the roles of each of them and thus placing Jodi in a sympathetic light..but IMO most importantly it ALSO gives an answer to that very question that so very many desperately want and need the answer to...why?..

In having this particular mindset is also POSSIBLY in their mind gives them an answer to WHAT COULD BE THE WHY this young woman committed this premeditated heinous murder of this young man..and IMO that question answered in their minds for them could actually only seem to solidify it as being true..the thoughts relayed of the foreman again says it all as well in his saying that his belief is that there was something that happened that led to Jodi feeling she had no choice but to murder this young man.. In his mind he believes that there is an action or behavior wrt Travis that is UNKNOWN TO HIM that gives reason to this WHY.. there for in simply applying the mindset that rob describes as that of his father's in adamant belief that no young woman would ever be initiating anal sex...thus leading to Travis being the initiator and manipulator in order for her to participate in anal sex..thus reversing the roles in putting Travis as the aggressive manipulator and Jodi as the passive victim..and in their looking at that dynamic as being what were the roles between the two in leading up to the heinous murder..this thereby could possibly be seen as the logical explanation of answering the all important question in their minds of what did he do to her that made her feel forced to have to heinously murder him.

In their minds it could possibly as easy as 1, 2, 3 in its order of how this murder came to be..it coincides with what is their mindset of a young woman never wanting or proposing anal sex..it coincides with what they visually see as the young female before them that does not "LOOK" like A monster killer like Manson or Dahmer..it coincides with their putting this innocent looking girl in the role of the passive victim with her being aggressively manipulated at the VERY least, and quite possibly even being seen or intpretated as being the victim of actual verbal, emotional/mental, or even physical abuse at the hands of the true "victim", Travis...and therefor this logical 1, 2, 3 thought process could possibly lead them to the all important answer for which they so desperately seek as to why?... Why did she do it?.. This thought process could lead them to the logical conclusion in their mind that it was due to her having been the victim of this man..and that it was the abuse that eventually led to the young woman "snapping" and committing this heinous murder against her "abuser"...

IMO I truly believe that it is honestly possible in having this particular mindset that rob so perfectly described as was his father's regarding just the specific aspect of Travis and Jodi's sexual relationship..and it is that mindset alone that could very much lead to their finding her guilty of the first degree premeditated murder, even finding it to have been proven especially cruel..yet with this particular mindset find that it was not deserving of the penalty of DEATH due to their seeing the dynamic they believe was at play between the two leading up to the murder is a mitigating factor whose amount of weight was substantial enough to spare her life from being given the death penalty..

Anyhoo as usual I'm uncertain if I was able to adequately relay the thoughts from my mind to words typed in and seen on the screen sufficiently enough to understand..lol..but I do believe that this particular mindset of some jurors could have possibly lead to our seeing the first two phases agreed upon unanimously in her being guilty of the first degree premeditated, especially cruel murder..yet believe there are indeed factors that would allow for her life to be spared from being sentenced to the penalty of death...

All Jmo, tho..and thanks to fellow WS member, *rob* for sharing the dynamics of his parents regarding this case as it truly was the lightbulb moment for me personally in attempting to understand possibly how this non-verdict came to be..

I must have missed something or someone....who is ROB?

tia

 

[Sleuth5]

Who's rob?

Frankly, T., I have no idea, I guess I should have asked about that, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Maryann123]

In my attempts over the course of this past week to thoroughly digest and accept this non-verdict I believe that I have at least come to an understanding of what *could possibly* be why it happened..whereas before I could not at all even begin to fathom the how or why.. I am at least to a place of just accepting it for what it is and there for attempt to have some understanding of it in my moving on from it..

I think for me the first time that it really began to come into focus was in reading one of our fellow members, Rob's post regarding the dynamics between his parents as it played out over the course of this trial..It really was a lightbulb moment for me in understanding the mindset of some people of this particular generation that Rob's parents are in.. I believe his father's adamant beliefs wrt Jodi and the scenario he has firm in his mind are *possibly* similar to some of the jurors in what they may believe were the dynamics that led to the heinous murder.. Just as rob said his father was adamant that no young woman would ever favor or be the one to intiate the particular type of sex that Jodi and Travis regularly engaged in(ie. Anal)..in this mindset it immediately places Jodi in the role of at the very least being persuaded into sexual activities that she did not want or enjoy..and at most being somewhat forced, if even by manipulation on Travis' part to have engaged in such sexual intercourse..

IMO just having this particular mindset truly makes all the difference in the world when applying it to this case..it immediately places Jodi in the role of the victim of manipulation and places Travis in the role of the aggressive manipulator..this dynamic of just the aspect of their sexual relationship truly alters the entire dynamic of the roles of the two in every other aspect of this case.. This belief immediately places Jodi in a sympathetic position even regardless of the heinous brutal slaughter, if the belief is that she was a manipulated victim in the time leading up to the heinous murder it does indeed IMO give great weight to that as a mitigating factor in the penalty phase in deciding her life or death..

What I mean is that in speaking of having this mindset one could still clearly see this heinous murder as a first degree premeditated murder...they could also still be able to clearly see and there for decide that yes, that premeditated murder was proven to have met the aggravating factor of having been extremely or especially cruel..and yet in their firmly believing those two issues were proven they could find that the belief in their mind that Jodi was a passive victim in Travis at the very least having aggressively manipulated her into anal sex in the time leading up to the murder..IMO that belief could in fact be a strong enough factor in their opinion to spare her life in the penalty phase..

IMO just having that particular mindset about that one particular aspect is of huge importance in it not only just reversing the roles of each of them and thus placing Jodi in a sympathetic light..but IMO most importantly it ALSO gives an answer to that very question that so very many desperately want and need the answer to...why?..

In having this particular mindset is also POSSIBLY in their mind gives them an answer to WHAT COULD BE THE WHY this young woman committed this premeditated heinous murder of this young man..and IMO that question answered in their minds for them could actually only seem to solidify it as being true..the thoughts relayed of the foreman again says it all as well in his saying that his belief is that there was something that happened that led to Jodi feeling she had no choice but to murder this young man.. In his mind he believes that there is an action or behavior wrt Travis that is UNKNOWN TO HIM that gives reason to this WHY.. there for in simply applying the mindset that rob describes as that of his father's in adamant belief that no young woman would ever be initiating anal sex...thus leading to Travis being the initiator and manipulator in order for her to participate in anal sex..thus reversing the roles in putting Travis as the aggressive manipulator and Jodi as the passive victim..and in their looking at that dynamic as being what were the roles between the two in leading up to the heinous murder..this thereby could possibly be seen as the logical explanation of answering the all important question in their minds of what did he do to her that made her feel forced to have to heinously murder him.

In their minds it could possibly as easy as 1, 2, 3 in its order of how this murder came to be..it coincides with what is their mindset of a young woman never wanting or proposing anal sex..it coincides with what they visually see as the young female before them that does not "LOOK" like A monster killer like Manson or Dahmer..it coincides with their putting this innocent looking girl in the role of the passive victim with her being aggressively manipulated at the VERY least, and quite possibly even being seen or intpretated as being the victim of actual verbal, emotional/mental, or even physical abuse at the hands of the true "victim", Travis...and therefor this logical 1, 2, 3 thought process could possibly lead them to the all important answer for which they so desperately seek as to why?... Why did she do it?.. This thought process could lead them to the logical conclusion in their mind that it was due to her having been the victim of this man..and that it was the abuse that eventually led to the young woman "snapping" and committing this heinous murder against her "abuser"...

IMO I truly believe that it is honestly possible in having this particular mindset that rob so perfectly described as was his father's regarding just the specific aspect of Travis and Jodi's sexual relationship..and it is that mindset alone that could very much lead to their finding her guilty of the first degree premeditated murder, even finding it to have been proven especially cruel..yet with this particular mindset find that it was not deserving of the penalty of DEATH due to their seeing the dynamic they believe was at play between the two leading up to the murder is a mitigating factor whose amount of weight was substantial enough to spare her life from being given the death penalty..

Anyhoo as usual I'm uncertain if I was able to adequately relay the thoughts from my mind to words typed in and seen on the screen sufficiently enough to understand..lol..but I do believe that this particular mindset of some jurors could have possibly lead to our seeing the first two phases agreed upon unanimously in her being guilty of the first degree premeditated, especially cruel murder..yet believe there are indeed factors that would allow for her life to be spared from being sentenced to the penalty of death...

All Jmo, tho..and thanks to fellow WS member, *rob* for sharing the dynamics of his parents regarding this case as it truly was the lightbulb moment for me personally in attempting to understand possibly how this non-verdict came to be..

I saw the "three hole wonder" up close and personal, and I have no problem thinking Travis wasn't the only one "using the back door!" "It" looked used to death, to me. And when DB and Jodi said they had "tried it" a time or two, that has to be an understatement. She is the one that introduced Travis to this.......no doubt in my mind!

 

[legallee]

From My Space, Travis Alexander:

Who I'd like to meet:
HMMM well Jesus for starters. People who like to give high 5's incessantly. I'd also like to meet Osama Bin Laden in all out no holds barr, winner take all cage fight. Christopher Walken would be fun to eat Lunch with. Really most people, well except for *advertiser censored*. They are a dime a dozen these days especially on myspace. So if your employment involves a webcam, I don't see it going anywhere. Outside of that I'm good to go.

What do you think the BBM means? Was this about Jodi? Was she making money doing something like this? I'd come closer to believing Travis caught Jodi pleasuring herself on his bed, (webcam catching the action) rather than the other way around. She claims he had pedo pics, and it was probably her all decked out like a school girl. We wondered where she got money, and I believe this could have been it. Isn't there a way to put *advertiser censored* on the computer from the comfort of your own home? She totally destroyed her own hard drive. This makes me go hmmmmmmm!

bingo!!! I think you are onto something!!!!!

 

[nadjatheresa]

In my attempts over the course of this past week to thoroughly digest and accept this non-verdict I believe that I have at least come to an understanding of what *could possibly* be why it happened..whereas before I could not at all even begin to fathom the how or why.. I am at least to a place of just accepting it for what it is and there for attempt to have some understanding of it in my moving on from it..

I think for me the first time that it really began to come into focus was in reading one of our fellow members, Rob's post regarding the dynamics between his parents as it played out over the course of this trial..It really was a lightbulb moment for me in understanding the mindset of some people of this particular generation that Rob's parents are in.. I believe his father's adamant beliefs wrt Jodi and the scenario he has firm in his mind are *possibly* similar to some of the jurors in what they may believe were the dynamics that led to the heinous murder.. Just as rob said his father was adamant that no young woman would ever favor or be the one to intiate the particular type of sex that Jodi and Travis regularly engaged in(ie. Anal)..in this mindset it immediately places Jodi in the role of at the very least being persuaded into sexual activities that she did not want or enjoy..and at most being somewhat forced, if even by manipulation on Travis' part to have engaged in such sexual intercourse..

IMO just having this particular mindset truly makes all the difference in the world when applying it to this case..it immediately places Jodi in the role of the victim of manipulation and places Travis in the role of the aggressive manipulator..this dynamic of just the aspect of their sexual relationship truly alters the entire dynamic of the roles of the two in every other aspect of this case.. This belief immediately places Jodi in a sympathetic position even regardless of the heinous brutal slaughter, if the belief is that she was a manipulated victim in the time leading up to the heinous murder it does indeed IMO give great weight to that as a mitigating factor in the penalty phase in deciding her life or death..

What I mean is that in speaking of having this mindset one could still clearly see this heinous murder as a first degree premeditated murder...they could also still be able to clearly see and there for decide that yes, that premeditated murder was proven to have met the aggravating factor of having been extremely or especially cruel..and yet in their firmly believing those two issues were proven they could find that the belief in their mind that Jodi was a passive victim in Travis at the very least having aggressively manipulated her into anal sex in the time leading up to the murder..IMO that belief could in fact be a strong enough factor in their opinion to spare her life in the penalty phase..

IMO just having that particular mindset about that one particular aspect is of huge importance in it not only just reversing the roles of each of them and thus placing Jodi in a sympathetic light..but IMO most importantly it ALSO gives an answer to that very question that so very many desperately want and need the answer to...why?..

In having this particular mindset is also POSSIBLY in their mind gives them an answer to WHAT COULD BE THE WHY this young woman committed this premeditated heinous murder of this young man..and IMO that question answered in their minds for them could actually only seem to solidify it as being true..the thoughts relayed of the foreman again says it all as well in his saying that his belief is that there was something that happened that led to Jodi feeling she had no choice but to murder this young man.. In his mind he believes that there is an action or behavior wrt Travis that is UNKNOWN TO HIM that gives reason to this WHY.. there for in simply applying the mindset that rob describes as that of his father's in adamant belief that no young woman would ever be initiating anal sex...thus leading to Travis being the initiator and manipulator in order for her to participate in anal sex..thus reversing the roles in putting Travis as the aggressive manipulator and Jodi as the passive victim..and in their looking at that dynamic as being what were the roles between the two in leading up to the heinous murder..this thereby could possibly be seen as the logical explanation of answering the all important question in their minds of what did he do to her that made her feel forced to have to heinously murder him.

In their minds it could possibly as easy as 1, 2, 3 in its order of how this murder came to be..it coincides with what is their mindset of a young woman never wanting or proposing anal sex..it coincides with what they visually see as the young female before them that does not "LOOK" like A monster killer like Manson or Dahmer..it coincides with their putting this innocent looking girl in the role of the passive victim with her being aggressively manipulated at the VERY least, and quite possibly even being seen or intpretated as being the victim of actual verbal, emotional/mental, or even physical abuse at the hands of the true "victim", Travis...and therefor this logical 1, 2, 3 thought process could possibly lead them to the all important answer for which they so desperately seek as to why?... Why did she do it?.. This thought process could lead them to the logical conclusion in their mind that it was due to her having been the victim of this man..and that it was the abuse that eventually led to the young woman "snapping" and committing this heinous murder against her "abuser"...

IMO I truly believe that it is honestly possible in having this particular mindset that rob so perfectly described as was his father's regarding just the specific aspect of Travis and Jodi's sexual relationship..and it is that mindset alone that could very much lead to their finding her guilty of the first degree premeditated murder, even finding it to have been proven especially cruel..yet with this particular mindset find that it was not deserving of the penalty of DEATH due to their seeing the dynamic they believe was at play between the two leading up to the murder is a mitigating factor whose amount of weight was substantial enough to spare her life from being given the death penalty..

Anyhoo as usual I'm uncertain if I was able to adequately relay the thoughts from my mind to words typed in and seen on the screen sufficiently enough to understand..lol..but I do believe that this particular mindset of some jurors could have possibly lead to our seeing the first two phases agreed upon unanimously in her being guilty of the first degree premeditated, especially cruel murder..yet believe there are indeed factors that would allow for her life to be spared from being sentenced to the penalty of death...

All Jmo, tho..and thanks to fellow WS member, *rob* for sharing the dynamics of his parents regarding this case as it truly was the lightbulb moment for me personally in attempting to understand possibly how this non-verdict came to be..

Thanks for putting this into words, Smoothoperator!

 

[katiedid2]

Having read above that NG again played that sex tape I just sent an email asking her to stop. I told her that I felt she was the one victimizing Travis and his family by playing that, and as long as she continued to abuse Travis I would not watch her show.

I doubt it will make her stop, but I feel better having sent that.

I did the same! Who knows how many of us viewers ! out there that did the same:seeya:

 

[Tenaciousdae]

Holy Spider-Man shorts! Guess what rolled into town like a thief in the night! No not hln trucks...Comic Con!!

I thought something was going on when I saw a flatbed truck full of donkey kong machines was at the loading zone of the convention center. But I knew when I saw a grown man being dropped off by his mom! I can't believe it's June already!:seeya:

 

[Sleuth5]

I saw the "three hole wonder" up close and personal, and I have no problem thinking Travis wasn't the only one "using the back door!" "It" looked used to death, to me. And when DB and Jodi said they had "tried it" a time or two, that has to be an understatement. She is the one that introduced Travis to this.......no doubt in my mind!

Oh, must not think of that image....must not think of that image...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

During these weeks when nothing is happening in this case, JVM and NG and DrD need to move on to something else. I've totally stopped watching (except for Tuesday when the ex jurors were on) out of sheer boredom. Yeah, yeah, we all agree, JA is crazy, JA is a stalker, JA is a murderer. Until there's new info, move on!

I think they're overestimating the public's attention span on this. I'd much rather hear Dr Drew's take on the Skylar Neese story.

And you're right, poster above whose name I can't find now, NG needs to stop playing that offensive tape. She's such a hypocrite to keep playing that.

I'd love to see a ratings chart .. I agree, the topic has been exhausted at this stage, there are other cases worthy of attention they could be covering .. although, perhaps that wouldn't be helpful either .. I am also bored of the constant descriptions of psychopathy .. why not get on some worthy guests on the topic? Robert Hare for example ..

 

[Sulamith]

Have you (or anyone here) seen the movie "The Woodsman?". It's a thought-provoking and memorable movie. I'm slightly uncomfortable reccommending a movie where a pedophile is the central character and the movie itself is uncomfortable at times. But it makes you think. And it may be Kevin Bacon's finest performance.

Yes, I own The Woodsman. I agree the movie is uncomfortable at times and scary (the park bench scene). Good movie and I love Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick. Another movie I enjoyed with the both of them was Cavedweller.

 

[polleypockets]

watching the scripps spelling bee - dam these kids are so much smarter than me!!

 

[YESorNO]

In my attempts over the course of this past week to thoroughly digest and accept this non-verdict I believe that I have at least come to an understanding of what *could possibly* be why it happened..whereas before I could not at all even begin to fathom the how or why.. I am at least to a place of just accepting it for what it is and there for attempt to have some understanding of it in my moving on from it..

I think for me the first time that it really began to come into focus was in reading one of our fellow members, Rob's post regarding the dynamics between his parents as it played out over the course of this trial..It really was a lightbulb moment for me in understanding the mindset of some people of this particular generation that Rob's parents are in.. I believe his father's adamant beliefs wrt Jodi and the scenario he has firm in his mind are *possibly* similar to some of the jurors in what they may believe were the dynamics that led to the heinous murder.. Just as rob said his father was adamant that no young woman would ever favor or be the one to intiate the particular type of sex that Jodi and Travis regularly engaged in(ie. Anal)..in this mindset it immediately places Jodi in the role of at the very least being persuaded into sexual activities that she did not want or enjoy..and at most being somewhat forced, if even by manipulation on Travis' part to have engaged in such sexual intercourse..

IMO just having this particular mindset truly makes all the difference in the world when applying it to this case..it immediately places Jodi in the role of the victim of manipulation and places Travis in the role of the aggressive manipulator..this dynamic of just the aspect of their sexual relationship truly alters the entire dynamic of the roles of the two in every other aspect of this case.. This belief immediately places Jodi in a sympathetic position even regardless of the heinous brutal slaughter, if the belief is that she was a manipulated victim in the time leading up to the heinous murder it does indeed IMO give great weight to that as a mitigating factor in the penalty phase in deciding her life or death..

What I mean is that in speaking of having this mindset one could still clearly see this heinous murder as a first degree premeditated murder...they could also still be able to clearly see and there for decide that yes, that premeditated murder was proven to have met the aggravating factor of having been extremely or especially cruel..and yet in their firmly believing those two issues were proven they could find that the belief in their mind that Jodi was a passive victim in Travis at the very least having aggressively manipulated her into anal sex in the time leading up to the murder..IMO that belief could in fact be a strong enough factor in their opinion to spare her life in the penalty phase..

IMO just having that particular mindset about that one particular aspect is of huge importance in it not only just reversing the roles of each of them and thus placing Jodi in a sympathetic light..but IMO most importantly it ALSO gives an answer to that very question that so very many desperately want and need the answer to...why?..

In having this particular mindset is also POSSIBLY in their mind gives them an answer to WHAT COULD BE THE WHY this young woman committed this premeditated heinous murder of this young man..and IMO that question answered in their minds for them could actually only seem to solidify it as being true..the thoughts relayed of the foreman again says it all as well in his saying that his belief is that there was something that happened that led to Jodi feeling she had no choice but to murder this young man.. In his mind he believes that there is an action or behavior wrt Travis that is UNKNOWN TO HIM that gives reason to this WHY.. there for in simply applying the mindset that rob describes as that of his father's in adamant belief that no young woman would ever be initiating anal sex...thus leading to Travis being the initiator and manipulator in order for her to participate in anal sex..thus reversing the roles in putting Travis as the aggressive manipulator and Jodi as the passive victim..and in their looking at that dynamic as being what were the roles between the two in leading up to the heinous murder..this thereby could possibly be seen as the logical explanation of answering the all important question in their minds of what did he do to her that made her feel forced to have to heinously murder him.

In their minds it could possibly as easy as 1, 2, 3 in its order of how this murder came to be..it coincides with what is their mindset of a young woman never wanting or proposing anal sex..it coincides with what they visually see as the young female before them that does not "LOOK" like A monster killer like Manson or Dahmer..it coincides with their putting this innocent looking girl in the role of the passive victim with her being aggressively manipulated at the VERY least, and quite possibly even being seen or intpretated as being the victim of actual verbal, emotional/mental, or even physical abuse at the hands of the true "victim", Travis...and therefor this logical 1, 2, 3 thought process could possibly lead them to the all important answer for which they so desperately seek as to why?... Why did she do it?.. This thought process could lead them to the logical conclusion in their mind that it was due to her having been the victim of this man..and that it was the abuse that eventually led to the young woman "snapping" and committing this heinous murder against her "abuser"...

IMO I truly believe that it is honestly possible in having this particular mindset that rob so perfectly described as was his father's regarding just the specific aspect of Travis and Jodi's sexual relationship..and it is that mindset alone that could very much lead to their finding her guilty of the first degree premeditated murder, even finding it to have been proven especially cruel..yet with this particular mindset find that it was not deserving of the penalty of DEATH due to their seeing the dynamic they believe was at play between the two leading up to the murder is a mitigating factor whose amount of weight was substantial enough to spare her life from being given the death penalty..

Anyhoo as usual I'm uncertain if I was able to adequately relay the thoughts from my mind to words typed in and seen on the screen sufficiently enough to understand..lol..but I do believe that this particular mindset of some jurors could have possibly lead to our seeing the first two phases agreed upon unanimously in her being guilty of the first degree premeditated, especially cruel murder..yet believe there are indeed factors that would allow for her life to be spared from being sentenced to the penalty of death...

All Jmo, tho..and thanks to fellow WS member, *rob* for sharing the dynamics of his parents regarding this case as it truly was the lightbulb moment for me personally in attempting to understand possibly how this non-verdict came to be..

I understand about the "mindset" of the foreman- the old fool. Anal sex and the question about if women enjoy it or not is just a mote point when it comes to premed. murder. And it doesn't negate the henious, disgusting murder of Travis. What real factors ?, and it certainly wouldn't be that JA was forced to participate in anal sex- come on, be real- she enjoyed it and if she didn't, she could've said no thanks to it- JA is no shrinking violet.
Backward thinking on the part of some jurors I'd be thinking and antiquated (is that a word? well it is now :floorlaugh

Good post.

 

[kpm]

Marlap & mollyandme,

Thanks for sharing your stories....being stalked changes your life forever....it disrupts every fiber of your life and occupies so much......

 

[Sleuth5]

I'd love to see a ratings chart .. I agree, the topic has been exhausted at this stage, there are other cases worthy of attention they could be covering .. although, perhaps that wouldn't be helpful either .. I am also bored of the constant descriptions of psychopathy .. why not get on some worthy guests on the topic? Robert Hare for example ..

(Uh, Mrs. G... Hare is a 'he'...it's Dr. Drew.... well.... )

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I don't know why, but this song always makes me cry. Maybe it's the betrayal from a friend?

Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard...Pancho and Lefty - YouTube


I turned off my laptop last week after the jury came back... I felt so wrung out and had to take a break. My husband saw me looking though books to read, picked one up and said this is a booookkk, you read them. I called him a jerk (OK it was worse), and hoped the JF wouldn't think by that that I am abusive to him.

I'm rereading Ann Rules "Every Breath You Take' about Allan Blackthorne having his ex wife murdered. She had two year old quads that were left in the house all day with their dead mother. She had her throat cut and was shot in the head.

The next one lined up is another Ann Rule "Dead by Sun set" about Brad Cunningham who murdered his wife. He took his two year old son along with him when he killed her.

ILTBP, I felt the same way. I don't know why I got so emotionally invested in this trial, but I felt such an overwhelming sadness when there was no closure at the end of it all. It was very emotional for me. I had to step away too for a while, because I am all Jodi'd out.

I don't blame the jury for the lack of a verdict, I really don't, but I can really sympathize with anyone who feels the frustration I do at how long this whole thing has dragged on...and on...and on....and on. I'm glad she's forced to be quiet right now so that there is really no news of her. And I love that she's sitting in her own little cage with her ugly self WHILE this just goes on and on, and she realizes that her 15 minutes are almost over.

I take comfort in the fact that we can choose to do things in our lives that she can never do like spend time with our family, or our friends, or go for a walk, or watch stupid stuff on TV, whatever our hearts desire. She can't, and I'm glad for that.

I hope the Alexander family can feel our support, and that they will remain strong through whatever the outcome is. Their peace of mind is what's important. Whatever happens to the killer will not be pleasant, so death or no death her life will be he//. I just want them to be satisfied that justice was done for their loved one.

Good news today that her appeal to the Supreme Court was denied. Another small victory on the road to justice for Travis. Her little box will get a tad smaller when the media moves on to the next big thing, and she will have no captive audience to give a hoot what's happening to her. If the state doesn't kill her that will.

 

[Tenaciousdae]

No, I think it's hearsay.

Hey lady! I was asking if you've started reading gone girl last night when WS went down..... So....